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X-DREAM"WE INTERFACE" G+/Solstice 2004
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clown
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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 01:54
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and just for the record, i DID NOT recieve this CD as a promo.. i paid for it with my own money.. you can check my saikosounds account if you like  hehehe.. the only reason im telling people this is because my opinion's arent bias because i feel foreced to help save the face of this album for the promotor that sent me a free copy..
On a side note, slightly off-topic, Kayak, i agree with your statement that "an Opinion is something between knowledge and Ignorance" .. Now with this said, we can believe whatever we want in OUR lives. Because that's what life is (to me at least).. We have a collection of our own beliefs (being right or wrong, but then again, what is right or wrong??) and we stand by them, or sometimes even let ourselves get influenced by others who (seem) to know more about a specific subject. As long as we can justify how we think, i feel that anything is right (to each individual) and it's our choice to believe it or not. So like you said, What is Innovative?? Well, its this to one, and that to another.. And its only important for the one's using the words, because if they don't know what innovative is, then how do others??
anyhoo, i think i went to far, so please, disregard my comment if you don't understand my points.. hehehe.. im just having some fun..
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 12:20
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Excuse me, but aren't we all in the psytrance scene to hear PSYTRANCE?? Then why are we listening to X-Dream's new album, while it's really techno-electro like? I saw this album being sold on psyshop just because of the name X-Dream. But it never really reached the top in the charts and was out of the charts the minute some more full on was released. I'm guessing people finally started to listen to that X-Dream album and telling other people it wasn't exactly what you'd call psytrance. Now I'm the last to say that all the copy paste full on is good, but at least that still sounds like psytrance. This doesn't. And to top that, I don't even think this is a very good album.
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 12:54
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Acidhive
well i find we inteface psy with combination of trance elctro techno and breakbeat
full on i find not psy at all
but it is trance
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 15:52
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wtf? some really lame arguments made here. some claiming that x dream does not have ritual feeling anymore. well I ask what is released today that does? its just right to dig the old stuff if you want ritualistic stuff.
Im gonna say this, this may not fit your definition of psytrance. it is an album with electro, tech sounds. but it is one of the most psychedelic albums i have heard in a long time and thats whats important for me.
you are comparing this to copy paste full on releases? come on you are all hilarious. just give the guyz respect.
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 16:19
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On 2004-11-18 12:20, Acidhive wrote:
Excuse me, but aren't we all in the psytrance scene to hear PSYTRANCE?? Then why are we listening to X-Dream's new album, while it's really techno-electro like? I saw this album being sold on psyshop just because of the name X-Dream. But it never really reached the top in the charts and was out of the charts the minute some more full on was released. I'm guessing people finally started to listen to that X-Dream album and telling other people it wasn't exactly what you'd call psytrance. Now I'm the last to say that all the copy paste full on is good, but at least that still sounds like psytrance. This doesn't. And to top that, I don't even think this is a very good album.
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what are you kidding? it's full on that has absolutely nothing to with psytrance. full on is nothing but energic party music (extacy music). nothing else man. well most of it anyways, a few full on artists are actually trying to do a bit more than to massacre the dance floor with killer kicks and that same ol bassline. this album gives me the sort of vision thingies. like for example on track 2 when the computer male voice thingies go like "connecting two bit tera biiiiioooop" and so i see some fat ass spaceship or something and some ultra cool mad robots on drugs or something  and this future/robot/mad/advanced/spaceship theme thingy goes thru the whole album. i fooking love it. many try to do it with similar samples but it takes way more than a space sample on every track to create a theme thingy. sort of hard to explain. anyways imo x.dream succeeded 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Nov 19, 2004 15:13
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Interesting, funny, boring, scary, non-sensed, subjective & objective things have been written here..
The deal with "Innovation" seems to be a crucial point for some people here..
To those who believe that the Cd is not innovative, and takes 20-years-old elements just to sound different..
> Please tell me which artistic domain is not concerned by this fact ??
- Design (furnitures, cars, bikes, industrial design and so on)
- Architecture (interior/exterior)
- Stylism
- Graphic Design
- Cinema
and so on...
May it be simple winks or deep influences, all those domains are in the same situation !
So now why blaming specificaly X-Dream to do it while we are surrounded daily by references to the past..
But the question in my mind is :
Where as it been said that "We Interface" will be an irreversible step forward ?? Uh ??
Did they only try to make something 'groundbreaking' ??
I am not that sure, on the contrary, they show us another side of themselves, and not like some people think : a greedy side ! I do believe that they want to show us what they were fond of when they came to think about "making music".. And I like this !
These are for the retro touch..
Now, having in my mind that they didn't aimed bloody at being innovative, how do I listen to this album ??
Well simply as material for the dance-floOr.. THE PLACE where I am supposed to enjoy boom boom boom music, ok ? see my point ?
And at this point : they are definitaly winners !!
On the dance-floOr, I am not standing like a snob or I dunno what, wondering what exactly is the music I'm hearing, and why it is like this and not that, etc.... On the dance-floOr I am having fun, in a word I am dancing !!!, and teasing the people around me when they are receptive...
And I think many people lost this essential point that this music is for the dancefloOr ! To listen @ home I suggest you to focus on their side project "Downhill" where you would have much more "substancial" things to write about it !
Back to the dance-floOr...
Well, nobody can deny that "We Interface" is pure energic stuff to wriggle one's hips !! 
So leave your "superIntelligence" (to try to define what kind of music it is, or to value the ammount of "innovation") at home and come with me to enjoy this vibration where everybody should do it (even before giving an opinion) : on a dance-floOr, fed by several dozen Kw Sound System !
Bravo X-Dream, it is so good to dance on such some stuff !
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kayak
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Posted : Nov 19, 2004 15:29
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At last !
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2004 15:43
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well i disagree kakolapalojowalloool
I find this album fits the "listen at home" category bloody well
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Nov 19, 2004 16:01
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I second that Traveller, but You, like me, experienced "We InterFace" live on a phat sound system..
Therefore, our point of view is different !
And you're damn right it is much more "digeste" than many many many many other releases..
(but this is now a very very subjective sentence)
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Nov 19, 2004 20:00
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nice point KakoOlalaJwal
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 20, 2004 13:26
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i would sure love to hear what the x-dream's guys have to say about the comments..
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 20, 2004 14:24
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When I talked about X-Dream interest in money I was not thinking more about this commercialis that indeed X- doesnot take part in, but in money that a good talented artist deserve. Take for instance the ones that got on their own will beyond the psy-trance fence and THEN got real money and recognition: Tsuyoshi (who is considered an artist as Joujouka, and Prana is a obscure part of his career. Kuro, who still tries to keep going psy, well, he is sort of unknown outside psy not-so-big world), Paul Oakenfold (who once said to NME that he abandoned psy because it was going too much hard and senseless - wise words then..who would guess), not to mention Juno Reactor, System 7 and others.
And indeed the psy scene is small if you compare it to to other electronic genres, it's easy to see this clear when you go to any Cd shop: space reserved to psy artists generally is in back corners, and there's not much free-listening to psy CDs, while you see a lot of space and FL to techno/house genre. And someone said that psy is underground..eh eh. I ask where, on Moon? How can you say it's underground with festivals advertising in Space Shower TV? eh eh...
So, no surprise that X-Dream perhaps want to get what they really deserve: good money and recognition.
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fire_dance
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Posted : Nov 20, 2004 14:53
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2 KakoOlalaJwal:
Besides innovations.. Yeah, I really enjoyed their live @ Transit too, The Delta + X-Dream, it was great without any doubt. But did you mention how many people was standing & looking at the stage, just like at some show, with tons of cameras? Ok, it's normal, I made some photos too =), people like to capture great moments, bla bla. But it tends to create a completely different experience - unlike oldskool psy trance party, where "every man and woman is a star", everybody creates the vibe expessing itself in dissolving egos etc, and the man behind the decks is just one of them, very important, of course, but he's just one of energy creators.And maybe you will understand some ppl who dislike new X-Dream from that point - though their music is much more interesting, deep, intelligent etc that this day's GMS/Astrals/Astrix/1000s of fullon clones, in fact the trend is same: good old showbiz swallows the new phenomenon, sucking all the energy - just like it was with rock, punk and rave (you can continue, thinking about the _system_ etc)..
In fact I mentioned it in Samothraki'2003 - they had really powerful liveset there, but I was sitting & I couldn't dance, just waiting for "Simon the saviour" =) - it was rave music, perfect for another occasion, but not for this fest and an acid trip.
And, finally: recently I was dancing in a small party with dj Jahbo playing, I'm not a big fan of "dark psy" in general, but the dancefloor was flying high with very, very amazing vibe (btw liked it much more than his set @ Boom), and then in the morning another dj putted on "We Interface", and I was still jumping, cause the party was very nice and this track is really groovy and I like it, but it was just "ok", the magick has gone. So maybe the dark psy is just the answer to this showbiz trend, a try to keep things as much underground as possible.. I like some good pop artists, no prob, going to their shows sometimes.. but this is just another story.
All is _imo_, for sure, no holy wars intended =) C u at the dancefloor =) |
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olivier
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Posted : Nov 20, 2004 16:06
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get real, when u sell 5000 cds it's far from being mainstream...
marcus a popstar??? come on ... britney is a popstar...
delta/x dream show tested , passed and succeed so well the acid test for many people at transit, so i guess it's again just something very personnal , subjective and not very interesting to argue...
back to the music now...
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fire_dance
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Posted : Nov 20, 2004 16:22
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No arguing about tastes and feelings - maybe just a key for somebody (meanwhile I'm sure that sells will be at least 5 times more than 5000, though CD sells today is not a measure of mainstreamness, you know).
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