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X-DREAM"WE INTERFACE" G+/Solstice 2004
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 14, 2004 03:47
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Traveller, I hope you're being sarcastic here, because this isn't good at all. Get the shit out of your ears... The droning pieces have been done before (and much better) by Midi Miliz. The electro stuff... well, pick a random good electro band and they top what's on offer here... |
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 14, 2004 08:59
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I was talking to a producer about X-Dream last album and the told me some ideas that may explain this apparent experimental album that has gotten positive and negative reviews:
Perhaps X-Dream just want to get detached from the psy scene, or to be known as a diversified band. Reason is simple: money. He talks about psy scene not being so huge as one may think, so it doesnot sell so well as it could if it was released as an electro/techno/house album instead of only being an album to a very specific niche (us here). And he says that psy fans do downld albuns instead of buying it, and on the other hand house and techno clubbers do buy albuns (of course they downld too, but the percentage is low in comparison to those who buys). He points a clear comparison: Fat Boy Slim released an album almost at the same time as X-Dream. FTS has sold much more than X-, has his tracks played in FMs and TVs and in paid to play in big festivals where money do roll in, he surely will play next year in Fuji Rock Festival. X-Dream on the other hand, hasn't sold so much because they are known as a psy producer, perhaps will play in some events where money is not so big and is not being advertised anywhere.
Last, he says, it seems that the worst an album is the more attention it will get in psy scene, with people even praising it. "Irritant" was perhaps one of the best albuns in psy history, but it is not know outside psy circles. Melicia (who knows him?) played last year in major psy festivals such as Vision Quest and Full Moon, but X- wasn't there. So less talented artists get the spotlight in psy.
So, he says, if you are a talented guy and know you are good, staying only in the psy ring is a waste of time.
So, I take back what I said previously about "We Interface". X-Dream is a great group and this album is sort of a sign that psy scene is losing something.
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oldskool
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Posted : Nov 14, 2004 16:41
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x dream !!dream on they rule..its a gr8 album..go beyond ..diversify.. move on
cheers x-dreams to all 
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clown
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Posted : Nov 15, 2004 20:55
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Im sorry to go off topic, but the new Infected mushroom album is alot more inclined towards commercialism than this new x-dream album.. Its not because there are a few different styles of music (breaks, electro, techno, psytrance and even some hardtrance) on one GREAT album means that they are turning commercial.. okay, maybe the vocal's in We Interface are a little pushing it for some people,. But to me, the contents of the lyrics are just so awsome that it well fits the track. They might feel a little commercial, but at least they are not talking about "playing the game" or "Disco" or even these "cities of the future"... although, cities of the future has cool lyrics also, although the tone of voice is much more commercial than the one x-dream uses.
More about the X-dream album..
It starts off with the great new X-dream style. The first gets you aquainted with the new sounds that can be found on this wounderful album. It gives you a fresh taste of the type of vocal's that will be heard here, and the type of dirty synth sounds, along with that great X-dream snare sound found on every second kick. A great party intro i must say..
We Interface is one of the most talked about tracks on this album, most probably due to the use of vocals that ride the track and give you a storyline feel to this one. With alot more of those dirty synth sounds, and a psycadelic structure, this electropounding track blends electro and techno to form one of those songs that gets stuck in your head for a couple of months.. a classic in itself.
Superinteligence brings us back to the X-dream people are use to, with a very dark atmosphere and an even darker sample voice. Lots of flanger sounding buildups. A great track.
Try to save your song is probably the other most talked about track on this album. With a very comercial bounce to it, this (hardtrance??) song has some catchy anthems that either make this your favorite track from the album, or the one you hate the most. I think its top notch and i will be mixing this one for a long long time Great use of that dirty synth sound again. Its exploited alot more in this song, with a trancy feel to it..
Virus is one of those great tunes that will be heard from party to party.. if you liked Try to save your song, you will just simply fall in love with this one.. A much less commercialish feel to this one, with twisting/flangy dirty synth sounds, filled with a deep x-dream kickdrum. The track is rather short for long mixing, but well worth mixing none the less. Its in my top 3 on this album.
Distressor is my favorite track off this album, being the most techno inclined track of them all. I would have never expected such a dance floor smasher like this one on this album. It sounds nothing like anything I¡¦ve ever heard X-dream produce in the past, and doesn¡¦t have any electroish feels to it.. Its just simply wounderful. A little short (like most of the tracks on this album), but so powerful that people will have no choise but to play it out like crazy. You get a hollow kickbass effect, with lots of cool snares and deep, minimal sounds.
Slimdrum is also a very interesting track. It sounds a little like Thorizin off the Irratint album (well, only in a couple of sounds) and it progresses into total hardness. This is defiantly a great addition to this already wounderful album. It¡¦s a good reminder of the old x-dream that we all praise.
Ultratube is something different for X-dream. Its softer feel and more trancy sounds make this a nice morning tune. Not much to say about this one, except that its nicely produced and it sounds good.
X-ray Eyes is not my style of music, the vocal¡¦s get quit annoying in this one. It¡¦s a massive tune if your into this kind of stuff, but for me, I skip it everytime im listeing to the album (personal taste issue).
The Fluke remix is cool also, but much like X-ray eyes, it doesn¡¦t reach out to me and grasp my attention.. maybe its my heavy DJ influence that makes these breakbeat tracks less appealing. Its still a great remix of the original, but nothing compared to it..  I Do however prefer the fluke remix to x-ray eyes. ƒº
All in all, a great album and im really happy I bought my copy ļ I was expecting another one of those X-dream Stickers but I guess not.. hehehe.. This album is a must for techtrance heads.. It might even appeal to some full-on people, depending on how open minded they are. This is what music is all about, evolution. They gave us everything we could possibly ask for in one album.. New, innovative sounds, a little of the regular stuff we are use to, and different styles (Breakbeat, electro).. Evolution is what keeps music alive.. If we always got the same old crap (like in the full-on scene) people get bored. This album is far from boring.
 "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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kayak
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 03:09
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It should be nice if more people, one day, decide to dissert (go beyong what they think) about music and not to give simply their opinion about what is trance, techno, innovative or not, commercial or not or other bullshit which lead to nonsens discussions or fights... cause opinion is...
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kayak
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 03:39
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@goa-ganges : maybe money is not the only thing which lead an artist : maybe there is also exploration of your art, of yourself, that means that you choose to go beyong the border you had before, change and search. Maybe also, after many years doing music for 50 000 trance people all over the world, you wanna your art (your music) to be more reconnized and known (listenable?), which is also very hard to do. Maybe X-Dream do a music that somebody already did but maybe there is more evolution in music than innovation. I mean every artist in every ages get inspirated by the work of some other. After, it's just a matter of lister cultur and feeling. So what is innovative or not, what is commercial or not..? Maybe in art, the way (what the artist want say) is also important than the result (the audience feeling)
But maybe not...
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kayak
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 04:21
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edit- Maybe some people feel that a part of X-Dream music is music that somebody already did but those 2 guys and the singer are unics and have their own personnalities. Music, as an expression of personnality makes X-Dream just X-dream and nothing else.
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HandA
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 12:08
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On 2004-11-17 03:09, kayak wrote:
It should be nice if more people, one day, decide to dissert (go beyong what they think) about music and not to give simply their opinion about what is trance, techno, innovative or not, commercial or not or other bullshit which lead to nonsens discussions or fights... cause opinion is...
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I am sorry kayak but who are you to tell us what to think?
As I wrote before I think this CD is nothing but a copy of music already been made by much more uniqe artists dating back to the early 80's. Yes X-Dream crossover some styles and sounds but it does not make it unique or innovative. Unique is when someone create something that nobdy else have done! This CD is no way near being unique!
And when it come to their sounds all I can say is they've done that and been there many many times before! They show us nothing new in sound and soundeffects, arrangement, production and ergo this CD is not innovative.
Now I dont say that it's a bad CD - not at all! I just point out that there's a long long way for this CD to be groundbreaking, unique or innovative 
People and indeed the too many Bedroom labels in our little scene tend to go banans over every little change in music and instantly name it "Groundbreaking" !
Maybe it would be healthy for some of those easily excited people to go to the Library and dig up some of the truely groundbreaking music done in the past to show them what came before |
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 16:54
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Well said HandA! This album delivers nothing more than average shit, which has been done way better before. And sorry, but the bullshit about there not being much money in this scene: X-Dream knew that way back in the days of 1995/1996/1997, when they made their first albums, so turning commercial now just seems stupid, or they woke up really late! If you're in this music for the money you should just give it up altogether. This music is real underground stuff, so there's not much money to be made. It has always been that way and it will probably remain so.
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 19:21
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On 2004-11-17 16:54, Acidhive wrote:
Well said HandA! This album delivers nothing more than average shit, which has been done way better before. And sorry, but the bullshit about there not being much money in this scene: X-Dream knew that way back in the days of 1995/1996/1997, when they made their first albums, so turning commercial now just seems stupid, or they woke up really late! If you're in this music for the money you should just give it up altogether. This music is real underground stuff, so there's not much money to be made. It has always been that way and it will probably remain so.
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Average shit is full on. I find this album way, way way more than that. I didn't say it was groundbreaking or anything, nevertheless bloody awesome album in my opinion for I keep on listening to it again and again. The last truly groundbreaking album in the psyscene would imo be the Violet Vision - First Sign Of Communication album, but that's just me. However this album is quite unique if you ask me. Or feel free to disprove me and point me to some similar music..
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clown
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 19:51
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This album is groundbreaking for some, as most full-on albums is KILLER to some.
I think that people are forgetting to listen to what they have in front of them.. Even if, as some say, this music was made in the past (like back in the 80's), at least it wasn't made three months ago and they copied by X-dream. No, that stuff only happens with full-on artists. Only israeli full-on artists can get away with releasing 200 tracks that sound the same, under fifteen different artist names (examples of course)..
What that means is, at least X-dream looks to the FAR past to get inspiration to create something that hasn't been heard in a VERY long time in the psy scene.. i don't remember the last artist to sound like this album?? okay, maybe there's one tracks that sounds like three year old midi miliz. but even then, three years old, not last month's astrix album.
It seems people can't appreciate the efforts that artists make to try and stand apart from the rest, such as X-dream is trying to do and that's totally understandable. Music is a hard scene to make it in.
So please, before saying this is stuff that was heard before in the 80's, please think back to ALL those 9 million full-on artists that get there inspiration from the last GMS tune that got released 6 weeks ago.. now thats boring and not innovative no??
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 20:28
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clown!
strong words!!!!!1 |
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 21:43
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Im with you mr clown, nice words.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 23:01
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Actually, that "boring fullon" scarecrow is beginning to tire my eyes. Yeah, I'm not into _psy pop_ fullon music, just like you, Clown, but there are plenty of new talented artists in _psy_ scene, from funky daytime prog to mind-blowing nighttime madness, and they are miles away from commercial bullshit.
And the only way to find'em - is to "kill yr idols", not to glue to yr old favourites, always keeping the fresh, unbiased view. Let's face the reality - this album is moving to pop music's side, as the part of techno scene _is already_ pop , just like the part of psy trance's. It's still very talanted and beautiful, and I wish mainstream would be filled with artists like Kraftwerk or X-Dream rather than today's FM-bullshit. And I still enjoy their performances and wouldn't miss it. But it's not a part of _psy scene_ anymore, this music doesn't fit the whole concept of ritual gatherings with deep mind altering. I think they'd soon doing gigs mostly in techno raves, instead of trance parties.
And (NB) it's not good and not bad! I just like to say, if you don't remember what is sounding similar to "We Interface", maybe you should forget about psy pop and dig some techno archives, from Detroit pioneers to Adam Beyer or Ellen Alien or Marco Bailey, whoever? Peace =) |
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kayak
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On 2004-11-17 03:09, kayak wrote:
It should be nice if more people, one day, decide to dissert (go beyong what they think) about music and not to give simply their opinion about what is trance, techno, innovative or not, commercial or not or other bullshit which lead to nonsens discussions or fights... cause opinion is...
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I am sorry kayak but who are you to tell us what to think?
As I wrote before I think this CD is nothing but a copy of music already been made by much more uniqe artists dating back to the early 80's. Yes X-Dream crossover some styles and sounds but it does not make it unique or innovative. Unique is when someone create something that nobdy else have done! This CD is no way near being unique!
And when it come to their sounds all I can say is they've done that and been there many many times before! They show us nothing new in sound and soundeffects, arrangement, production and ergo this CD is not innovative.
Now I dont say that it's a bad CD - not at all! I just point out that there's a long long way for this CD to be groundbreaking, unique or innovative
People and indeed the too many Bedroom labels in our little scene tend to go banans over every little change in music and instantly name it "Groundbreaking" !
Maybe it would be healthy for some of those easily excited people to go to the Library and dig up some of the truely groundbreaking music done in the past to show them what came before
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Don't make me wrong! I don't tell you what you should think! i tell you what i'd like to see... Everybody is free to write what he wants as i'm free to react to what is written... I'm not impolite to anyone... But now, who are you to know what is innovative or not? I should very pleased to hear your creation! I speak with "maybe" cause i'm not sure of what i write, i'm not speaking in a affirmative way! Cause me, i don't know what is innovative or commercial and in fact i don't care... I'm prefer looking to the way of creation.. Maybe Piccaso wasn't innovative to get inspirated by some African Art mask... Maybe Mozart wasn't innovative to get inspired from Haydn, etc... Nevertheless both are known and they were great artists... Please tell me what is innovative in music and specially in Trance music where everybody copy everyone... Maybe Art don't have to be innovative ( if you know what is innovative)... Now, the few other answers go totally on my way : continue to give simply your poor opinion (poor as mine) and continue to fight, that makes me laught...
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