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What we seem to call "darkpsy" is for me the new "Goa"...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 17:06
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 17:08
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It is not traveller.
The stuff that is mostly know and actually got released is, but there was a lot of dark stuff being played, which was far from cheese.
It is hard to find these days, because lot's of it is only available on some old tapes.
I just posted it in another thread: check out Techno Club Vol.2 from 1990.
That's the kind of sound that has been played on a goan dancefloor at night. 
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 17:24
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On 2004-12-01 16:35, traveller wrote:
What? Older Goa is pure cheddar..
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LOL...you really haven't got a clue I'm afraid.
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Well it's full of samples that go like "your mind is travelling to another dimension" and that my friend is pure cheddar..
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 17:26
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On 2004-12-01 17:08, Pointy wrote:
It is not traveller.
The stuff that is mostly know and actually got released is, but there was a lot of dark stuff being played, which was far from cheese.
It is hard to find these days, because lot's of it is only available on some old tapes.
I just posted it in another thread: check out Techno Club Vol.2 from 1990.
That's the kind of sound that has been played on a goan dancefloor at night.
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Well I guess it then depends on when you think this genre was born. Personally I would point out to early 90's with releases from TIP for example..
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Kaz
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OK, enough of all the know-it-alls here. In 1996, the amount of 'goa' releases was under 20% of the total releases at that time. After 1995, with the release of Hallucinogen's Twisted album, goa instantly became 'out', and everyone was getting into a new and adventerous sound, given a new and adventerous name... Psychedelic Trance. In 1996, the first moves towards full-on were already there, with TIP's awesome Phosphorescent compilation setting the trend. The 'goa' sound is really a melodic thing. Sandman is NOT the pure goa sound. The 'pure' goa sound was defined by Astral Projection, MFG, Doof, Juno Reactor's first couple of albums, Koxbox's first album, Green Nuns of the Revolution, Prana and other such acts. Hallucinogen, Koxbox's stuff from Dragontales onwards, Juno Reactor since Bible of Dreams, and all of these acts which people call 'goa' are not goatrance at all. They are psytrance, by 1996 Tsuyoshi had already declared goa as dead, and if one person understood what goa is - it would probably be him.
If you want subtle dark stuff, listen to minimal techno. You want agressive dark stuff, listen to industrial. What people call 'dark' psy is really not very dark if you compare it to these genres. If you want to listen to a free and open sound with an uncontrolled vibe, listen to goa. Goa was never, EVER about grinding your teeth together, which is what all the dark psy "genre" is all about.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 18:12
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Well i think it's enough of all the "know a little bit because i collected CD's since end of 90's".
You guys are really missing out on the nature of the music that been making goa trance what it is.
Hmm...so goa was dead 96 and defined 94-95.
Thats a quite short life, and i totally do not agree.
The reason UK labels was shouting "goa trance is dead" in 96 was that it became out and loosing it's commercial potential. Most artists went over to making house music, not psy-trance.
The releases during mid 90's was the cheezy stuff, and on every released track there was 10 wicked night tracks that was never released.
Most goa DJ's woudn't touch anything released.
For me it's really a misconception to say that the big releases in the mid 90's was all there was to goa music at the time.
Most goa old timers i know would strongly disagree with that.
Many think that real goa music died when eat static and tip made it in to a defined genre.
Astral Projection and Total Eclipse stuff was one phase of morning music during a certain period and to define that as goa trance is missing a big part of the picture.
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 18:17
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It's amazing to see so many experts here even though most of them never went to parties or even listened to Goa trance when Goa was the big thing  |
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slyman604
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 18:42
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just go buy black rhino and be done with this discussion |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 18:56
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Dominic Lamb was definatly one of my favorite DJ's at the height of goa trance, and was always trying to find more dark music and was like many at the time frustrated with all the fluffyness.
Black rhino is from when he was still doing An'R for flying rhino I'm quite sure.
Big respect to him...unfortunally he also gave up on goa trance and is doing house nowadays 
I guess it was a case of "if you can't beat them join them"
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 00:35
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Well i think it's enough of all the "know a little bit because i collected CD's since end of 90's".
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That's great, I started collecting psytrance on CDs and DAT in 1993, and prior to that I had tapes. Great that we both agree about this.
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You guys are really missing out on the nature of the music that been making goa trance what it is.
Hmm...so goa was dead 96 and defined 94-95.
Thats a quite short life, and i totally do not agree.
The reason UK labels was shouting "goa trance is dead" in 96 was that it became out and loosing it's commercial potential. Most artists went over to making house music, not psy-trance.
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This is nice, it was Matsuri that was the first to 'kill off' goa trance, not the UK labels. The UK labels were the first to move to full-on though.
As to 'most goa artists' moving to making house music, that's just plainly incorrect - MWNN and Tsuyoshi are one thing, but the vast majority stayed in the psy scene or just stopped making music altogether.
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The releases during mid 90's was the cheezy stuff, and on every released track there was 10 wicked night tracks that was never released.
Most goa DJ's woudn't touch anything released.
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I'm no DJ, but back then I knew quite a few who were. Eventually, most of the good tracks were released - the artists just took a lot of time to work on their music, so until an album was complete it could be a very, very long time. Quality control was far harsher in releases (releasing on TIP required not only top-notch production and quality music, but actually had to have ground-breaking elements in the music - at least up to late '97, but that's just my opinion here). I'd also add that for the most part, in the pre-mp3/online ordering days, a lot of the music they played was released but people just didn't know it... worked for quite a few Israeli DJs (I won't give names, but I bought the first Deedrah CD when it was released in the US, a few months prior to distribution in Israel, and one rather famous Israeli DJ 'borrowed' it only to 'lose' it within a day... The Wizard Demo was one of the tracks he used to play in every set of his back then).
By 1996 it was all psy, by 1998 it was all about full-on, and later the minimal prog thing, and now full-on again. Once every 2-3 years the mainstream of psytrance changes. Most genres in psytrance have that short a life.
And HandA, I happened to be at those parties when goa was the big thing, and I can only assume a few others were too.
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thegooddale
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 00:55
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i think as far as musical structure, depth, and composition are concerned, the old goa tracks pale in comparison to the good dark tracks being made today.
I personally think that the complete emphasis on melody that goa lived by and that some still crave(for some reason unbeknowest to me) is not only cheesy, but cheap. Like Spindrift said, a melody can be good and doesn't have to be cheese, but it can't be over emphasized. Most of the goa stuff I am familiar with would be nothing without the melody... It is so over-emphasized that you have to really listen to get away from it and hear the other elements and layers of music lying beneath it.
and minimal techno is boring... industrial is far too abrasive... there are lots of artists making dark psy that is dark and very mental, while at the same time being completely explosive on the dancefloor... They are making the most interesting music out there today... SoKaz, don't hate, participate  |
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 01:14
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and minimal techno is boring... industrial is far too abrasive...
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and dark is just simply phony "look at me, i create scary full on with all these bat and mammoth noises" 
no really, to tell the truth i've just never personally thought much of this sub sub genre.. not saying it can't be good, i mean hell, some full on is good
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Silent Scream
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 01:19
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at the last year there were more dark releases than full on releases if im not wrong....there are many of new darkpsy artists and many labels for that style..
evryday there are darkpsy parties...
so i wont call it underground...not as the old goa anyway
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movek
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 03:57
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the only sounds that I can compare with the old goa sound is the sound that come from
artists such as blue vortex, protoculture,silicon sound,fatali etc
Well it has the tripness of goa,the melodies
It's like a full-on version of goa,an extension
I don't like dark music at all,meanless sounds
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 06:21
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you call it 'dark psy', i call it 'trauma trance'..
How about calling The Texas Chainsaw Massacre .. a "dark psychedelic film"? or calling bands like Slayer or Cannibal Corpse "dark psychedelic rock"..?
nope..they are Horror movies and Death Metal !
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