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What we seem to call "darkpsy" is for me the new "Goa"...
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vector_0
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 06:43
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am i the ONLY one here who understands dark psy?! come on, i don't know shit, but its obvious that you need to understand the subtlety to this music in order to appreciate it. it may not have the soaring melodies that your regular full-on is known for, but the melody is captured in rhythms, patterns, recurring sounds, and systematic modulation. it reminds me very much of drum n bass, in that the melody is rarely overt, but theres definately a theme or melody to the track. When i listen to the old goa trance, i hear the melodies and energy that is absent in a lot of trance....but when i compare it to other electronic music of the time i think DARK.
Stuff like Neuromotor, Xenomorph, Psychotic Micro, etc. is what reeeallly got me liking this music. i mean, i like the other stuff, but sometimes melodic full-on can get a little annoying and overbearing, while progressive (though just as deep and subtle) can get really fuckin boring. I <3 dark psy |
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 09:24
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Who said you where the only one vector_0? 
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Animus
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 09:42
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i like all kinds of trance. it depends on the point of view but for me "dark" trance its the most psychedelic because its more abstract then the others , the sounds spin very quicly in your brain you can almost feel like you are in another dimension and thats what i call psy !! 
anything can be psychedelic...or not!!
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 09:53
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Hey vector_0 you are not the ONLY one mate !
'the melody is captured in rhythms, patterns, recurring sounds, and systematic modulation.'
The problem is not that you are alone who understand it, the problem is, who does not understand it has the ability to be so ignorant and call it just a bunch of sequenced sounds which makes no sence, ofcoarse they don't have the ability to make it them selves, cause melodies are far much easyer should you know a little of music theory !!
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 10:03
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 10:25
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hehe very intersting... let me just ask this... so none of you enjoyed Xenomorph's early works? Sandman's works? None of you njoyed a lot of TIP's later releases? Tantrance Vol. 6 era? Psychaos or Dark Soho? Horns n' Hoofs releases? The Gathering by Infected? Joti Sidhu's mix on Distance to Goa 8?
Coz if you enjoyed nay of that stuff you would have to pretty blind to not see that modern ahem *dark* psy is nothing more or less than a progression from the early Xenomorph and Sandman works which for me and many others were very amazing pieces of work using excellent horror samples... I love being shit scared and last year in Goa there was nothing more fun on NYE than being fucked of my tits on drugs and losing my mind to some damn hard trippy *dark* psy... it is by far the new Goa sound, it is in it's infancy still and I see i becoming the future.. a lot of GMS work recently has had a bit more of a dark tinge this year, and soon the two will meld to make meldoic dark trippy stuff... as the older producers made softer music so the punters got softer... I well remember seeing Astral Projection live in the early 90's for the first time and some of the s tuff they played back then would have left Fungus Funk dead for darkness in the music... to bad they aidthey'll never release it... ther is nothing dark abou the music, if you want dark go buy Mayhem's latest death metal, and you'll soon see this music is just crazy fun! |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 10:56
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@Aldo
I don't really understand your view.
You might think that anything with melody is cheezy, but really do you think your tracks would be good when played in the morning on a party?
And I'm sorry but rythm is rythm, sounds is sounds and modulation is modulation.
Melody is melody, and it's for sure the hardest part in music theory.
To say "cause melodies are far much easyer should you know a little of music theory" does not make any sense whatsoever to me.
Production and sounds is not something I had to learn when i studied music theory anyway, and rythm is a lot easier than melody theoretically.
The reason that a lot of melodic stuff sounds cheezy is that it is hard to make a good melody, and it's by far less people that know how to do that than making a nice sounding night track with a lot of wierdness and cool sounds.
So please leave it out with all the talk about that that only dark night music is the real underground goa sound...if you think that you are half blind as I see it.
Your stuff might be good when played in the middle of the night, but a whole party with it would bore me to death.
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 11:01
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On 2004-12-01 10:56, Spindrift wrote:
@Aldo
I don't really understand your view.
You might think that anything with melody is cheezy, but really do you think your tracks would be good when played in the morning on a party?
And I'm sorry but rythm is rythm, sounds is sounds and modulation is modulation.
Melody is melody, and it's for sure the hardest part in music theory.
To say "cause melodies are far much easyer should you know a little of music theory" does not make any sense whatsoever to me.
Production and sounds is not something I had to learn when i studied music theory anyway, and rythm is a lot easier than melody theoretically.
The reason that a lot of melodic stuff sounds cheezy is that it is hard to make a good melody, and it's by far less people that know how to do that than making a nice sounding night track with a lot of wierdness and cool sounds.
So please leave it out with all the talk about that that only dark night music is the real underground goa sound...if you think that you are half blind as I see it.
Your stuff might be good when played in the middle of the night, but a whole party with it would bore me to death.
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 11:31
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I love dark night music very much and I think it is an essential part of the party, but yes, it is only a part of it.
Penta, Datacult, Ka-Sol, Gregh on Earth are a few examples of artists, that imo make intelligent night sounds.
The whole range of night music, with straight basslines and lot's of weird sounds on top of that, is not my cup of tea.
I think it lacks in depth and frankly I don't find it psychedelic at all.
I agree with psytones, that dark night music in a way represents more the old goa spirit, because it is mainly produced for the dancefloor and not for homelistening, or CD sales.
The old goa spirit has been about free parties, free music and sharing.
I don't see that spirit shining through in one minute samples panning left to right though.
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 11:57
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Hey Leo there are so much nice morning music with out cheezy melodies Graphes of wrath for instance and many other yes to my opinion melodies today they do sound cheezy with psy trance, and yes i do know what music theory and making melodies are about It took me 8 years studying theory of classic guitar, and I did not finish my grades in a couple of years, and to make melodies in psy trance you don't have to be Beethoven, come off it Leo you know very well that lets say an MS 2000 does some melodies by pressing just one key !
And I must let you know also that some of my tracks also are good to be played in the morning I say again ther does not have to be cheezy melodies in morning tracks to be morning , Well thats my opinion and like me there are plenty who shares the same opinion !!
Seea in Goa Leo
PS: NO I don't like xenomorph music neither his Mastering I think it's crap !!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 12:39
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Well, in my ears GOW is night music...and I'm not so keen on their new stuff, it's a lot less original then what they did a couple of years ago.
I've been to parties where the played GOW after sunrise, and it just made me want to go to sleep.
It's really not much contrast to what was played in the night and I need some kind of evolution and story in the music over the party to keep my interest.
What most people refer to as darkpsy is for me something that fits during the 3-4 hrs in the middle of the night when the vibe is the most insane.
If it's kindzadza and para halu from the start the energy never have a chance to build up, and if you keep playing it into the sunrise the energy just goes out like an over inflated baloon.
A few years ago it was a tendency to play full-on gms stuff even in the night on parties which was of course even worse and I was very happy when dark night music became more popular again.
But it seems to me now like it was not about an increased awareness of what needs to be included to make a complete party, and instead just a new trend because the dynamics that used to be in the selection is still not there.
It's about one style that every DJ is trying to compete in collecting and playing.
Bring back the journey that used to be a party I say!!
I sure don't like cheezy melodies, but in my opinion writing melodic morning music that is not cheezy really put a lot of demand on practical musical talent.
For me a sign of someone who really is good in writing melodies is when they melodies is not cheezy and quite subtle and simple instead.
I struggle to think of any really good recent music that i can really say i think is very good morning music, that genre have been very commercialized and is suffering a lot of the time from being to cleanly produced.
Some call it perfect sound, I call it flat sound.
But one great morning lead in recent years for example was psykovsky - kookaboora (?).
Not cheezy and very simple but really genius.
All time sunrise classic must be overlords - sundown.
In both the hook is really not more than 3-4 notes, but perfecly placed. It sounds damned easy to do when you hear it but few producers can write melodies like that.
And yes, you sure dont need to know contrapunctus and chord structures to acheive it, just have the right feeling.
I really hope I can get a chance to get down to goa this season, but have much that i should do this winter really and if a get a chance to get down it would be a quickie unfortunally 
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 12:55
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Well thats it then you see my point Leo that morning music does not have to be with Cheezy melodies, good ones yes but very hard to find !
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Mat N
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 13:17
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i see a big difference betweeen the old school dark psy which uses goa melodies -the best example is xenomorph (also the recent suria's work), and the new school dark psy which is mostly nothing special- some freaky samples, noises and scratches. and then, there are some artists who combine old school and new school in an intelligent way- Penta and Kindzadza are good example (if u listened to their albums u know what i'm talking about) and hopefully they will keep on with their style- dark melodies with awesome sounds.
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 13:45
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I was just writing in the "dark sauce" thread (rather funny topic name, hehe)
And I was writing something similar to you MatN.
I also think there are different kinds of dark sounds out there and that they have different roots and a different spirit to them, too.
I have put Penta and Kindzadza in different categories though... The latest Kindzadza tracks surprised me a bit I must say and maybe I should give him another chance. It seems he got bored with a straight bassline himself. "*´¨)
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 16:35
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On 2004-11-30 09:42, psytones wrote:
Its just that I see "darkpsy" as a very NON mainstream style, because it contains 0% cheezy fat. Same as older "Goa" 0% cheese.
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What? Older Goa is pure cheddar..
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