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What we seem to call "darkpsy" is for me the new "Goa"...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 16:06
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It's hard because much was unreleased and I did not have tracklists on many of my tapes.
On top of that I do not even have hardly any of my tapes around still 
I have a friend with a good collection still intact and will try to get some stuff from him to refresh my knowledge.
For some really early stuff I can reccommend http://www.discogs.com/release/78015
Quite a few tracks from that is typical of what was on cassette tapes in 90-91.
Especially Tribal Ghost - The message is very typical of early goa night music.
In the mid 90's I did not collect much myself (too much partying to have time for that), but like mentioned earlier Dominic Lamb (in Slinky Wizard) was my favourite DJ at the time and Black Rhino is quite representative of his style.
Other good representatives of the underground goa sound is BOTFB, although they weren't in there since the beginning they have been at it for many years now and thru their persistance they are a known name nowadays even if they are extremly underground.
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 16:10
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Oh my "Various - The Official Techno Club Compilation Volume Two"
Genre: Electronic, Electronic
Style: Techno, Acid, Industrial
notice it's not "Various - The Official Goa Trance Compilation Volume Two"
Genre: Electronic
Style: Goa, Psychedelic "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 16:18
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 17:11
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Releases with Overlords-Sundown on it get described in discogs as: Techno, Trance, New Beat, Goa Trance, House, Progressive Trance, Breaks, Tribal House, Tech House, Acid, Industrial.
Since you seem to think, traveller, that the way a style is described in discogs, is very relieable in categorizing music, I am really interested what style you would call Sundown according to that.
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 17:13
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I was just saying, if the name of the compilation is something like Techno CLub blah blah blaaa I don't expect to find too many Goa tunes off it, mainly because Goa didn't really, really even exist in 1990..
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Krell
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 17:28
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To Spindrift
"I never said he's my favourite DJ and that he mixes great."
Nope, I didnt say you did either - I just wanted to point out that he sucks as a DJ.
"And he is sure quite spaced out at times.
But he is one of the real old timers still playing."
Yeah, I think we should get rid of them old timers and replace them with proper DJs. Someone like Byzught should focus on creating music instead of DJing. I loved the Orichalcum & The Deviant album (which was really psychedelic). After all, its not really a matter of whether you like the person or not, its the end product that counts.
Actually, I think that younger people understand the roots of the music just fine, at least some do. It is not really rocket science. Others simply do not care, to them, its "just music" nothing else.
"Whatever you think about him, Teo and Gill they have a real history with goa music and know more about the goa roots than most other DJ's."
Yes of course, they were there. I would say I do as well, goa trance has been influencing me all thru my grown up life. I think there is strength and uniqueness to be found in that also.
"And it's not a coincidence that they all play dark music nowadays."
Maybe not ? I quote myself from my first post in this thread "To me Dark psy is also the continuation of the genre psychedelic trance"
And I might add, I dont distinguish that much from Psychedelic Trance to Goa Trance - To me, it just seemed that people got fed up with the "goa trance" description because it focused to much on the place "goa".
"Many times to dark and fast for my taste as well, but more real goa spirit for sure than when the GMS family show up to play for example."
Ive never heard GMS live - However, there was a time where GMS was considered inventive and psychedelic. Actually, I remember Byzught spinning stuff from GMS´s first album when I first heard him play in 1997.
I think it was one of the GMS people who once said "Just keep on getting more and more psychedelic" - You could say, the dark killah stuff choose that path of evolution.
"But I do agree with your view, and thats excatly what I have been trying to say."
Great, I love it when people agree with me :-D
"Goa is not melodic and it's not dark.
It is both and has always been.""
Exactly - Its always been a diverse music style. Some people may also argue that a first early track has defined the sound for a whole genre. Thus they conclude that "that sound is goa trance". I think, you would have to look at when Goa Trance had become an established genre, and then see what music was then released/produced under it.
To a large extent, it almost seems that Goa Trance is more of an idea than a genre - It is so diverse.. I think, it is a philosophy by which some artists decided to create music. Music for beach parties, psychedelic experiences, exploration of the mind/soul and so forth.
I dont know, but I think there was less emhpasis on partying, and more focus on idealism, philosophy, culture and such earlier.
Also, I understand better why people didnt like "Goa Trance" becoming a brandname, and thus it was quickly renamed into "Psychedelic Trance".
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 18:29
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On 2004-12-02 17:13, traveller wrote:
I was just saying, if the name of the compilation is something like Techno CLub blah blah blaaa I don't expect to find too many Goa tunes off it, mainly because Goa didn't really, really even exist in 1990..
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Well, your expectations is maybe not enough to dissmiss it as not being goa music.
Maybe goa music did not exist for you until there was a compilation released with the title "the official goa trance compilation vol 1" but for others it did.
I remember getting inspired by tapes in 91 and sitting down trying to make a "goa tune".
Sure goa trance wasn't named as a genre, but I was for sure not the only one at the time tring to make music for the parties in goa.
I went to goa first time 92, just when goa trance started to become a genre of it's own.
According to most people at the time I just missed the real goa vibe.
The very idea of it becoming a defined genre is according to many when goa music died.
Anyway, I would say that a lot of stuff on that compilation is for sure worth a listen if you like to understand where goa trance is coming from because many of the tracks was big hit's in goa at the time and inspired many of the producers making what we all can agree is officially labeled as "goa trance".
Also some of the projects involved producers that made goa trance later as well and was in goa at the time.
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You are right I belive that psy trance was not so much a new genre forming but rather that many though that the name goa trance was unsuitable.
I remember a few producers at the time complaining that they haven't even been to goa, and still get their music labeled as goa music.
Of course it seemed a bit silly to a lot of people and in the mid 90's it was not hip to go to goa anymore, so the name really had to change.
In the end I also don't care much for catagorizing too much, and if one should do that it's better to make the categories broader.
Sure it can be nice to describe a track as "dark industrial noises" or "melodic morning anthem" sometimes.
But if it is techno, goa trance or psy trance is completly irrelevant to me.
"Goa trance" is of course a bit different because it includes the name of a place which has been helping form a genre.
I guess thats why I feel like defending what I see as the nature of goa trance.
I love the spirit that has been present on the parties in goa and it bothers me when people use that particular label in a way that does not describe what the music played in goa was really about.
And I do miss the journey that parties used to be in the beginning of the 90's, and I would like more of the young DJ's to get a better idea about how to build that journey.
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Thats maybe the only part I can't really agree with.
Thats the problem with this genre many times.
People limit what has really been the foundation of the scene to what is released under a label "goa trance" and it's making the creative spectrum a lot more narrow.
For me goa trance is really music that was made for very psychedelic parties with people from all over the world spending time in paradise, away from the worries of the western civilization.
People really opened up on the parties, like dancing naked covered in mud making ugly faces, and anything psychedelic with a heavy beat would be appreciated.
The coolness and labeling factor came later and made the whole scene a lot less inspired.
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 18:39
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Oh well what do I know, I was 7 years old in the summer of 1990 
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 15:37
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Just a quick question:
I see that people mention Infected's - The Gathering, X-Dream ect ect. as darkpsy
I personaly used to use the term darkpsy to music that are made by artists like "Fungus Funk", "psykovsky" and "Suria - Dark Side of The Sun" .. You know Fungus Funk right? psytrance with a rollin' bassline...
What would you call this type of psytrance?
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 18:25
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psytones, that's the modern darkpsy movement. I think it's a bad name, since much of it isn't that dark (just noisy and unmelodic). I still think psycore is a better term for this new wave of stuff, since it is, after all, more about being hard than dark.
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Posted : Jan 15, 2005 01:24
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hmmm.. psycore. Yeah, I can agree with that. And yes, the "fungus funk" style is pretty new I guess compared to other psytrance/Goa forms. And I really like it, it gives me something that Full-on cant give me.. Call it "modern darkpsy" or "psycore". It's stll a good evolution within the psytrance/Goa scene.. imo
I belive we will see more of this "genre" in the future, because it's still not "commercial/easy listeing.. so far. And I have a feeling that exept Russia, Norway will represent this style? I belive Phobium makes this style, though I havent heard his own production.. I think. I have only heard him live. And one day, I will rise from the mud.. Or at least I can hope and dream right 
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 15, 2005 07:11
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There must have been at least 30 releases in the style in the last year alone... plenty of it comes from Israel as well. We've had a few threads on this already and I like the theory that parasense is to psycore/darkpsy/whatever as GMS is to full-on... the granddaddy of a whole new movement
I'm still seeking the "representative slice" of this style... I picked up Deliver us from Evil and like some of that... but with so many releases to pick through its tough to find what is really a gem. Any help here from a discerning expert would be appreciated.
Labels to check out? Anyone want to build a list? Parvati, Crystal Matrix, Discovalley, Seraphana, Deja Vu, Stone Age... +more I am sure...
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Posted : Jan 16, 2005 06:58
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i am a goan and have lived in goa all my life,I really dont know what the world considers goa to be.I must say that goa was a combination of dark and melodic stuff.Stuff
that triggered a certain mental state at night and coloured the heart at sunrise.Yes,It was about complex dark sounds at night and i would say that its musicality can not be compared to todays sound,and for sunrise it was pure bliss.Yes there is shit loads of excelent music that never was released,I do have a lot of them on tape.I guess the vibe at that time was more spiritual that dance orientated, it was not about "how good is your production" or how hard a track was, but it is something that i have no words to express just pure hippy magic some of my fav then and till date are midi litto,floro fantasy,slinky wizard,blaze,process,omen,nervasystem,weirdo beirdo,LBM,sorca sonic and the list goes on...i was raised on these sounds and now it just feels different. i really miss those crazy sounds and bhima's place in anjuna..BOOM |
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Anak
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Posted : Jan 16, 2005 10:54
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i'm with basilisk here...darkpsy isnt dark at all. its hard, fast and crazy, but nothing like dark. for me something dark cannot be fast...if i take an evil dark tune (for example one from sandman - witchcraft) and play it very fast it just looses its darkness imho. thats why horrormovies with fast heavy metal soundtrack are making people laugh instead of making people frightened like a movie surlayered with slow theatralic music.
i dont want to say something to the previous discussion about the goa timeline etc, but i'd like to say that also Transwave did some dark goa tunes, i think their "The Rezmaker" is a pretty dark and dusty tune.
dark music is my love...but honestly i fail to find anything dark and scary in these shredding tunes coming out of "dark"psy labels such as Parvati, Seraphana, MoE etc...
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Posted : Jan 16, 2005 12:47
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I was wondering where are the suomi fans in this thread.
I know they don't like this music too, but for some reason they're not bashing it like they do with fullon.
Interesting.
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