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Mutated by music

ZeRo
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Posted : Dec 7, 2006 17:21
You have to be very ignorant of music (the way it works up to now) and DNA to think that music could actually change your DNA. . .This is simply impossible. However, the definition of what entails music has changed over the years. and might change in the future with the advent of new technology. I speculate that with the advent of nanotechnology music as we know it could change drastically. Not the way we hear it but the way in which the sound travels from the source to our ear. THerefore, in the future, it might be possible to create music out of something other than vibrating particles of air that might have the ability to actually change someone's DNA. Fortunately, no lab or grant giving institution in their right mind would explore such possibilities because it would have catastrophic consequences. Our DNA is the way it is because it is stable and changes by natural selection over time.           ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet.
Dogon
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Posted : Dec 7, 2006 19:30
OK so in future there will be the music enabled to alter human DNA.... sounds cool!


          We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
Akousma


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Posted : Dec 7, 2006 21:03
loll. thats actually interesting..but possible i think....if u submisse ure self for hours and hours to those 20 hz with non stopo ye u change ure DNA and DIE!!!!bcause ure brain is tootally wiped dude!!!STOP TAKING ACID!!!!
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 8, 2006 02:35
Maybe the music wouldnt be soundwaves if it is reproduced in the brain...

maybe psy parties will have cables to plug to the head, just like in matrix ,....




Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 8, 2006 17:24
another one time I say,depends on the person and how intense he/she listyens to music ,dance and take or not drugs,soft trancers dont let their beings to mutate,hard trancers let their psy music be one with them.
no one can proove if it happens or not,we have possibilities from the both sides,and again as for me YES iam mutated as for someone else NO...
we have different minds and receive reality with a different point of view and spirit..
the emotional state is the same for everybody but the mental state is different,so what makes the difference is the mind wich for me is letting the mutation to happen,but for someone else who thinks with a different way he/she dont let muttation to happen.
How the mind thinks have a big relation with the dna of the one who thinks,mind is powerfull and surelly the way of thinking have roots from his/her own dna,so as the dna gives a certain special different way of thinking to someone,then also the mind could make the dna change by intense thoughts wich are used several times in life,so as intense music as psy trance,and then the way we feel with each one of these strong thought waves wich we receive in a different way....
Dna is what maken us different beings...
everything is combination and coorperation of mind and heart..
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 8, 2006 17:55
read this ,and see how psychedelics effects chromosomes and mutates dna..
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofchro.htm           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 8, 2006 21:45
Sorry Goponesh but if your ideas was reality you would not sit in a psytrance forum and speculate over wild theories that I think has more to do with maybe a little bit influenced by use of psychedelics than any reality sense (correct me if i am wrong). Then you would be world famous and published in all serious sientific publications. Until then. Sorry but I do not take anything you write here for anything but wishful thinking. The same goes for the other people here who claim they have seen the "light" and are mutated. Haha sorry could not help laughing a bit here.

Again for the 10th time let me remind you that it is physical as well as on a microbiological sub atomar level impossible for your DNA to be mutated, altered etc. etc etc. by music or your experiences on the dance floor. If you think I am so wrong or not "openminded" enough and the whole sientific community is so "out of sync" with your expert knowledge then prove to us you are right

End of story.
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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 9, 2006 06:31
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On 2006-12-08 17:55, Gopinesh wrote:
read this ,and see how psychedelics effects chromosomes and mutates dna..
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofchro.htm




Gopi ..... relax....
first... the link u posted is about LSD and mutation not psytrance wich was the main topic... and then in the same link it says.

that LSD does alter chromosome structures but nothing diferent from other many substances.

cuoting it:

"Since similar findings have been reported with many commonly used substances, including artificial sweeteners, aspirin, caffeine, phenothiazine tranquilizers and antibiotics, there is no reason why LSD should be singled out and put in a special category."

"There is no justification for referring to the structural changes of the chromosomes as "chromosomal damage"; their functional relevance and relation to heredity remains to be established. In addition, the fact that the in vitro experiments bypass the excretory and detoxifying systems present in the integral organism casts doubt on the overall relevance of the in vitro results".




man i seriously doubt you read at least the damn conclusions of the investigation.



well........ PEACE!
... and thanx for the info.
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 11, 2006 20:50
@psytheriatsunami
look bro,I havent got enouph time to read everything till the end of the investigation,but even if i had(as for today)and read it all ,I have to tell u that what u quoted havent nothing to do with any kind of scientific "proove",u just quoted what u liked more and looks closer with waht u wrote,and if u read more carefull u will realise that nothing is for sure...
I quoted this conclusion
"Concluding this discussion of the effects of LSD on chromosomal structure, we can say that the results of the existing studies are inconclusive despite the fact that the dosages used in many experiments far exceed the doses used in clinical practice. Whether LSD causes structural changes in the chromosomes or not remains an open question. If it does, the circumstances and dosage range in which these occur have not been established, and the interpretation of these changes and their functional significance is even more problematic. This question could not be answered even on the basis of results of methodologically perfect chromosomal studies. In future research, much more emphasis should be put on the study of the effect of LSD on genetic mutation and embryonal development. "
from :
http://skeptically.org/recres/id5.html

u can also see that there are scientist who found positive tests and scientists who found negative tests,and the most of them up on flies and mouses..

...as I said at previous post that none from both sides can proove anything yet.
Consider that for big doses like those trancers use at festivals are very possible for mutations,if u read the statements U will see that all experiments are done under small doses,so never be so sure as I am for maself ,as I have used in the past some giga doses with psy trance and dance,and also combination mixtures with other substances and seen alooot of changes..
As for the offtopic ,look there is a strong connection of psytrance music with hallucinogenics bro,and we all know that.

If u look for prooves I cant give u any,u asked I dont search for any ,because I know from myself

@trippy johnny
for wich one reality u talk about man,do u really believe that reality is objective?
Have u ever consider to analyse what Einstain said about the relation with reality?
as for the hallucinogenics yes u r right,I do not hide ma self as for the most hide them slves here on the forum,and tell u the truth acid is history for me bro,I have taken what I wanted before 15 years ago till recently,and on my 30's I do my acid retire...
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 15, 2006 05:00
Gopi:

honestly i just read the conclusions of that thing u posted

if this studies are inconclusive... then its pointless to make a point of it.

i agree with you WE ARENT SURE if LSD can alter significantly the chromosome structures.

but about psytrance or any music, i would bet my life that its just imposible.




PEACE!

kazuku
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Posted : Dec 15, 2006 05:29
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On 2006-12-15 05:00, psytheriatsunami wrote:


but about psytrance or any music, i would bet my life that its just imposible.




**grim reaper starts to stalk Psythera and sharpening his scythe, patiently waiting for an opportune time***

***Devil wonders if Psythera will also throw his soul into the deal maybe, rubbing his hands in anticipation***

Hehe..wouldnt bet my life on something like that...you never know^^

Aluxe
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Posted : Dec 15, 2006 07:05
I also don't know about DNA, so excuse my stupidity beforehand. Anyways, I understand DNA is like our blueprint, right? So I am thinking how evolution tells us that we were once fish, so obviously our DNA has been changing as we evolve. And all animals seem to have evolved to adapt to their specific environment in their own UNIQUE way. I mean there is such a diversity that its amazing, you see animals that learn to live with toxic gases in the ocean floor, birds that display beautifull colors to atract their mates in the jungle, animals that grew fucking horns to protect themselves, others that developed venom, or elastic legs, etc etc etc.

It just seems like nature is very flexible and can mutate in just about any way if the right circumstances are given. Like after millions of years some animals living in caves will become blind and develop other senses instead. Or fish in the dark sea will develop bioluminicent light with tentacles to attract their prey. I mean the craziest things you could ever imagine.

So really considering all the extravagance you can find in nature, being mutated through music really does not seem such a far fetched idea.

Or what if humanity were to eventually discover that music is like the ultimate language of life and after millions of years of our species being totally focused and immersed in music maybe we would have become the music species, you know just like birds grew wings to fly we would have developed special antennas to feel the music and percieve it in new and profound levels never imagined before. So I am thinking that our DNA would be changing with all this, since we would no longer be humans anymore but a new more advanced species: homo musicana. hehe

You may argue that it would be the sound waves or something else that changed our DNA, well whatever maan. But it would have been the music that hooked us and lead us to evolve.

Anyways, I will stop because I also know that to people that for sure understand science, maybe suggesting that music can change our DNA may sound as if somebody seriously suggested that you can make airplanes with Cheese. In other words to somebody that really knows, it may just sound fucking ridiculous. Specially because you are saying "DNA", so you are talking about something specific discovered though science. So for such a wild idea as this thread I would personally rather just say: I think its possible to be mutated through music. (never mind if its through DNA or whatever)

In any case I don't think anybody can be completely sure about anything, for all we know reality is limited by what we believe and its partly all subjective. I have heard stories that in some dimension your thoughts become reality, and we have some of that in this reality and because we see what we believe its hard to even realize that you are seeing your own world. Ofcourse it could be just mumbo jumbo, but still the more DMTshroomsalviaiboga we take the more wild things become, and the more realities "rules" are broken and the more everything you were so fucking sure about melts into a bottomless and BIG unknown.

So really what do we really know? Yeah to some people todays science might seem like a wealth of real knowledge in comparison with some of the stories you get from religions. But I can imagine that in 300 zillion years what we call science today might seem as absurd and non-sensical as the religious stories we read.

So whether you are looking from a relgious perspective or a scientific one, please lets not get to fanatical about it.
exotic
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Posted : Mar 7, 2007 17:03
ok this is great what hapenned to this evening. I smoked a bit of charas that i had got recently and got ready to read shantaram .. i had the light on on top while i was reading .. i put on a nice chillout mix in the background to entertain me while i read .. the sound was faint as i didnt want it to disturb me ..

suddenly the bulb providing the light above me shot , and there was darkness in the room .. the sun had set about twenty minutes ago and there was this eery twilight feeling in he room .. the little green light from the top of the right speaker *indicating power illuminated the space around it and i felt a strange sensation descend through my mind .. like a nice heady rush that acid gives you when you peak .. although i havent had some in months i could tell it was strangely related to something that ive experienced before on lsd .. the curtains in front of me seemed like white shadows on the black screen in front of my eyes and i could vary the length of the streaks by squinting my eyes .. the windows on my right felt like gateways into another world dimension . everything in front of me was slowly vibrating in sync with the music . In short the lighting in the room was perfect, sort of what i would call the twilight zone , i was neither here nor there , mutated by music

This strange sensation became so overwhelming that i actually imagined aliens were taking me away and i was slowly leaving this planet .. i know you must be laughing at me now (even i was actually at that time)

I can only explain this as perhaps something that i wanted to experience and came through my subconscious mind naturally , or

maybe i was meditating without knowing i was!

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Gopendragon
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Posted : Mar 7, 2007 18:39
...passing through the gates of unknown dimensions exotic...
beautifull experience lucky exotic,strange things do happen in our lives,changes everywhere ..           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Aida Noridania


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Posted : Mar 8, 2007 11:32
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On 2007-03-07 17:03, exotic wrote:
I can only explain this as perhaps something that i wanted to experience and came through my subconscious mind naturally , or

maybe i was meditating without knowing i was!





wouldn't doubt a second about that wonderfull experience and absolutely not nutty

when i hear good music i got sometimes the same impressions or go and sit in the forest, with my player, put the music on such a volume that it is just "slightly background so that i can still hear the wind in the trees the birds etc and in no time i got carried away

i know music alters our state

if our mind is just a set of cells with DNA and such perhaps the response does not "change physically a strand of DNA, it surely does something with our moods and senses, and the way we sense and experience is dependant on active and inactive genes

so perhaps music may wake up dormant genes and that is for saying an "altering" of the DNA (yet it still is the same what is active isn't

and that's easyly explained in what the bleep do we know how that works...           no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
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