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Mutated by music

Rah
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 05:22
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Anyone interested in the real life inspiration for that movie should check out John Lilly, who actually invented the horizontal isolation tank, pioneered "metaprogramming" (really this is what I was getting at with the whole mutation thing) and used ketamine and LSD in combination with the isolation tank.



well, if you take enough k you don't really need the tank now you do ya?
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kazuku
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 06:04
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i still think you need to read more about DNA people.




ok

http://www.soulinvitation.com/rein/
http://www.newstarget.com/z021175.html
http://www.oursounduniverse.com/infraredfreq.html
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/russian_dna.htm
http://www.lifetechnology.org/blog/2006/06/healing-with-sound-energy.html
http://www.holisticwebs.com/sound/index5.html


A lot is "mumbo jumbo" of cause, but in every lie there is a spark of truth^^
Nothing is impossible!


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On 2006-12-05 05:22, Rah wrote:
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Anyone interested in the real life inspiration for that movie should check out John Lilly, who actually invented the horizontal isolation tank, pioneered "metaprogramming" (really this is what I was getting at with the whole mutation thing) and used ketamine and LSD in combination with the isolation tank.



well, if you take enough k you don't really need the tank now you do ya?


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Isolation tank sounds better then horse tranquillizer to me
Magox
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 13:30
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On 2006-12-05 03:11, kazuku wrote:
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On 2006-12-05 01:37, psytheriatsunami wrote:
Damnit!


Aida is saying this thing about cancer.... im not like a doctor or anything but i cant find the link between the causes of cancer and music... i mean music is just noise, sound waves.




Its not that absurd.....

Your physical state often reflects your mental state..... physical diseases can be the result of psychological causes.

Just because it is "just sound waves" doesnt mean they cant have an impact on something physical....

-So you cant break a glass with sound waves?
-So extra low frequencies cannot make you physically sick?
-Music cant make you feel better or relax you? This cant contribute to the healing process?

Also: It all depends on the belief system of the person who is being treated...if a person believes strong enough that music can influence/speed up a healing process why not? Works the same way like placebo....

In the end sound is energy and we are also energy...just at different levels of vibration and density.








the mind is very powerful....and we use such a small portion of it.....i am a believer of the mind being able to do many things.....and sometimes all it takes is a "trigger"....and maybe "music" can be that "trigger" for many people.



           "On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish ones own faults rather than to judge others"
Aida Noridania


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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 14:18
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Gopinesh said: The "hard" ones definetely do hard trips by opening and expanding their minds higher and deeper with music,so let the music take a lit bit more control up their beings.
This category let the sound effect do a lot of changing up their mind body and soul.
A talent musician father is gonna pass through the dna his talent to his son.
A junky father is gonna pass his hard drug habbits also through dna to his new born son,but this junky father maybe borned from a non user father with diff dna wich mutated from him by the years of drug use.
What I wanna say here is that dna takes similarities when we do something intense for much years and then passing to the next generation,so a hard trancer who dances intense stoned under high kw for years is much possible to mutate the dna closer to psy and then pass it to his son,the next generation,and this happens again and again...so yes for sure ther is a dna mutation when we listen trance and dance hard for years,the mutation happens from father to son and from son to next genre...



well i never considdered it that way but if i look at my family i would say "yes that's in a way how it can happen"
i can easyly give examples where this theory is applied (just passion for music, and for composing it is easyly traceable and is with each generation more pronounced.


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psytheriatsunami said:
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Aida is saying this thing about cancer.... im not like a doctor or anything but i cant find the link between the causes of cancer and music... i mean music is just noise, sound waves.



i think you misinterpreted my point: i said that statistically it is proven scientifcly that by having depressive/low mood thoughts that then you get more sensitive to diseases and more prone to developing cancers (that goes in certain types up to 20% and more)
yes just as like you have more chance to get lung cancer by smoking cigs

so it goes about emotional states not the music or sound provoking that

but cancer is a cell with mutated DNA, just in a bad way then

so then i put out the theory what would then positive vibes from music and dance bring? perhaps something similar in positive way? therefore not everybody (in the sense of: not everybody that smokes dies because he smokes)

so the point was it is scientificly proven that a positive mood reduces the risks of cancer i then drew the line through by thinking dancing on goaparties always makes me to turn home with a smile (even if i am sober that doesn't change that) and that this smile you got and this positive nice feel may thus alter how the body works just like how feeling depressed may increase considderably the sensitivity for diseases

so there i think you misinterpreted a bit my words

          no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 17:15
About faith,cancer and science...
Let me tell u a fact that happened in the life
of a psy friend who had cancer in the head.This girl was doing meditation every day,and one day meditation brought up on surface of her psysical health after a shock she had with meditation,that she is got a cancer piece on the head.
The "science" of doctors asked for much money to help the girl by giving her a biochemical therapy wich might help her to stop the evolution of the cancer piece on the head.She followed this biochemical therapy for months without any positive healing reaction..and doctors get rich by making the situation worse...
But my spiritual friend had a lot of "faith" to Baba,so she searched to find a psycho Baba myst to do a healing yogic shamanic ritual up on her being...she told me that this psycho Baba healer with the power of the faith and spirit,he made a typical ritual for healing...he get inside her head...she saw a white light get inside her and then a black dark shadow came out of her head,and a lot of other weird strange and unexplainable things she experienced...
After this cure she went to doctors to examine her,they realised that the cancer piece stoped to evolute,and they believd that a miracle happened..
what happened with her dna?what those scientists knew to cure?
how music dance and faith help her?
the answers are obvious...

hehe poor "doctor scientists" only a miracle can save ur knowledge,where is ur faith?
u poor intelectual animals ,always need a scientifical proove in front of ur unfaithfull eyes to satisfy ur narrow mind by an intellect illussion,but u cannot give any proove by ur scientific intelectual minds to explain with mathematics the spirit,the soul...or can u proove me the existance of god?

Personnaly I prefer to give objective explanations but the intelectual animal called human is not able to do it for everything 100%,only god can make that perfect..only faith and miracles,only my experience by thruth in life and conciously thinking on the moment of the second in space and time..

now what do u believe about the science of esoteric healing?yoga?shamanism?spirituality?
does those words say something to u?

does those scientist doctors do psychedelic trips?do they dance in trance?are they spiritual?do the believe in god?do they know about meditation?asbout mysticsm?have they ever done any typical spiritual ritual?
do they know the power of the prayer and faith?
do they know what means love?

the answers are urs....
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Dogon
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 17:34
Faith is the word maites.....

Jesus had the faith, Buddha had the faith, Nanak had the faith & they are worshipped as Gods today. Each one of us is the same as 'God', it's just the difference of level of Faith in our ownselves; Faith that we are all Gods; Faith that we can do miracles; Faith that we can cure diseases; Faith that we can make the world better.

Faith is what made Jesus, Buddha, Nanak & the likes to be called Gods, so keep the faith & anything is possible!

Faith in music & trance dance experience can mutate yourself but how does that matter if DNA is scientifically/biologically altered or not?           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 17:42
Kalari's signature says:
.: Faith is the force that drives all across the waters of life :.
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Aida Noridania


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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 18:08
how true is that (i do healing myself so i know what can be done with that....

lots

though i don't reject science, i rather believe it would be ways better if they would cooperate instead of fight each other           no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 18:14
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On 2006-12-05 18:08, Aida Noridania wrote:


though i don't reject science, i rather believe it would be ways better if they would cooperate instead of fight each other



yea sure both sides have their goods and bads,and if we set a bridge between those two sciences we will have the perfect result           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
MॐZC4L10
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 20:07
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On 2006-12-05 01:37, psytheriatsunami wrote:
Damnit!

i mean music is just noise, sound waves.










Damn kid... listren at yerself... just noise? sound waves??? i dont mean 2 be rough but the psychedelic culture is f****d because of people like u man... please take a minute and think of what u r saying... 2 bad we have people that think this way           Memento Mori
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 20:22
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On 2006-12-05 20:07, MॐZC4L10 wrote:
Damn kid... listren at yerself... just noise? sound waves??? i dont mean 2 be rough but the psychedelic culture is f****d because of people like u man... please take a minute and think of what u r saying... 2 bad we have people that think this way




relax a little will you? thanks.           http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/
mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 20:35
the more we learn, the more science uncovers, the more questions arise, and the more it becomes apparent that WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!

Its all faith, nothing is real until you believe that it is real with all your soul, not just your mind. You cant expect to just say, Okay, now Im a bird, Im gonna fly. You gotta really REALLY believe it, unquestioning, the way you believe Reality. WHo knows what is possible? I sure dont, and neither do you! Science doesnt even know what is or isnt possible, just probable, and there's a big difference there. All science, all religion, all Reality, is based on our own mind, our perception of it. Science is coming to this conclusion, which spirituality has known for millenia. Science proves nothing, its just another convenient explaination for things.

Science knows too little to be the one, true belief, too little for me to put all my faith in. Theres too much room for error in all facets of reality, and too many unanswered questions for Science to be the only explaination.

psytheriatsunami: If that is what music is to you, that is all it will ever be! No one is going to change it for you. Also, just because you believe it, that does not mean that everyone in the world shares your views. You are welcome to believe what you want! So long as you let others believe what they want. Having a majority of supporters, does not make it the truth, look at the US gov't, apparently there is actually a majority of Americans who support it. Does that make it right? Actions speak louder than words...

My idea is that there is so much out there that we have NO CLUE about. We dont even know what true Outer space is like, and whether or not solar radiation would vaporize human bodies. We havent even left the Earth's magnetic field, which extends beyond the Moon. There is much that science feels confident enough to theoretically explain, but thats all it is, is theory. Before you put all your faith in Science, IMO its a good idea to try and see what it CAN'T do.

One of the things science cannot do is explain the nature of Reality, beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is much debate. On one hand we have the quantum physicists, who operate with computer models of theoretical concepts. On the other we have psychotherapists like Stanislav Grof, who theorizes that all Reality only exists because we perceive it, that the mind and ALL REALITY are inseparable, if there was no mind to perceive it, how can we know its real?

All we have to interpret reality are our 5 senses, and anyone who has taken a psychedelic knows that these can be fooled, and muddled. Machines cannot be trusted, who knows what can go wrong between the machine's observation and the actual output of data. So, if our senses and our machines cannot be trusted to be 100% accurate 100% of the time, how can ANYTHING be proven?

I have no answers, just a ton of questions. I dont bother, anymore, trying to decide which theories are right, because its just as likely that they are all wrong. So Im just gonna live my life, and have fun. The real answers will either become apparent eventually, or not at all. Im in no hurry.           .
psyrexian


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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 22:28
i have read about that some freq in el.music can lead to
alteration of DNA which is very possible and have sense it is not just mambo jambo ... you have brainwave generator with a shit load of presets and most of them work couse they use same principles than a lot of music have !

also there is a thing with loud music that do a certain change in you balance organ and you get high just from
high volume ...it is scientific proven and you have a BBC
documentary about it ... especially bass are fucking up your balance organ in middle ear (why do you think full
on is so popular)
also there was reasearch in which scientists overloaded brain with sounds and the person fainted
on the floor ...and they proved that hearing sense have advantage in front other senses like smell or sight ...
so don't be so sceptic about it ...
couse we are still and will be for centuries ahead ...
''early stage of evolution future uncertain ''
maybe in about 200 hundred years they will found out that so many people got cancer couse TB303 is very cancerogenic machine ...but not that much as random Dark Psy squelling ...
but don't worry you music stealers ...mp3 compression cut's some dangerous freqs

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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 23:23
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On 2006-12-05 20:07, MॐZC4L10 wrote:
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On 2006-12-05 01:37, psytheriatsunami wrote:
Damnit!

i mean music is just noise, sound waves.










Damn kid... listren at yerself... just noise? sound waves??? i dont mean 2 be rough but the psychedelic culture is f****d because of people like u man... please take a minute and think of what u r saying... 2 bad we have people that think this way




Actually the scene if fucked up because of you and because of people that take too much drugs and think they see and hear things that are not really there. So get a grip. Music, physically speaking is nothing but air vibrations. It doesn't make your cancer go away.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
kazuku
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 04:35
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On 2006-12-05 23:23, Pavel wrote:

Actually the scene if fucked up because of you and because of people that take too much drugs and think they see and hear things that are not really there.
So get a grip. Music, physically speaking is nothing but air vibrations. It doesn't make your cancer go away.








Thats just pathetic man...you are entitled to whatever opinion you want but dont make sweeping comments about things which lie outside your spectrum of experience....
And if you really have to how about arguing your case...


"....Actually the scene if fucked up because of you"

"...It doesn't make your cancer go away."

"...think they see and hear things that are not really there..."



Whatever man..speak for yourself but what makes you so sure? Because its not what they told you to believe in school maybe..

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