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Mutated by music

kazuku
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 02:56
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On 2006-12-01 02:00, ben wrote:
sounds like u r trying to make connections that aren't there imo...



EVERYTHING is connected
MॐZC4L10
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 03:42
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On 2006-11-05 02:25, mudpeople wrote:
Are you?

Do you feel that by listening to trance your physical self has actually been changed? Or is it the music in combination with... other... catalysts? Is it possible to change your DNA while listening to music?

Hehe, just an idea! At certain times, in certain "States" Ive felt changed permanently, and music had been a part of it. SOOO, who else?









haha yeah yeah yeah!!!! i`ve seen this b4, do you guys remember the altered states movie??? how he mutates? lmao... pretty crazy movie, really enjoyed it           Memento Mori
mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 00:06
usually I feel back to human near the end of the party. But during it, Im the ape-human bashing goats on the head and sleeping naked on the dancefloor...



Anyone interested in the real life inspiration for that movie should check out John Lilly, who actually invented the horizontal isolation tank, pioneered "metaprogramming" (really this is what I was getting at with the whole mutation thing) and used ketamine and LSD in combination with the isolation tank. Pretty out there, he claimed contact with separate entities while in his tank. You can buy a tank as well if you like. Look in the character vaults of www.erowid.org.           .
MॐZC4L10
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 10:35
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On 2006-12-02 00:06, mudpeople wrote:
usually I feel back to human near the end of the party. But during it, Im the ape-human bashing goats on the head and sleeping naked on the dancefloor...



Anyone interested in the real life inspiration for that movie should check out John Lilly, who actually invented the horizontal isolation tank, pioneered "metaprogramming" (really this is what I was getting at with the whole mutation thing) and used ketamine and LSD in combination with the isolation tank. Pretty out there, he claimed contact with separate entities while in his tank. You can buy a tank as well if you like. Look in the character vaults of http://www.erowid.org.




hahahaha i thought i was the only one m8, but now i know i am not alone ... You can actually buy 1 of those tanks???? damn it has to be very xpensive, but really cool, thats 4 sure           Memento Mori
Aida Noridania


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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 13:39
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On 2006-11-05 02:25, mudpeople wrote:
Are you?

Do you feel that by listening to trance your physical self has actually been changed? Or is it the music in combination with... other... catalysts? Is it possible to change your DNA while listening to music?

Hehe, just an idea! At certain times, in certain "States" Ive felt changed permanently, and music had been a part of it. SOOO, who else?









well for me going to festivals is always going on a trip okay sometimes i do smoke a joint there but i see this for myself becoming less and less the case... last time i had a deeksha on a party and that energy transfer requires to stay sober, and that was way more intense then just anything else i could have gotten

well emotions are influencing our body, being floating of trance induced by the music alters emotional states and awareness... it happens to me all the time...

sometimes i can get that high of good music that i even don't use anything, just drink water and fruit juice and walk around like if i swallowed a few XTC's or LSD's while in truth i am completely sober

as for the DNA part i would not know, but i do have a theory... emotions/state of being is energy. when you feel sick or low you feel you need rest and feel bad, so maybe the good vibe may affect certain aspects of your DNA just like how low moods make you more receptive for disiease? i would not be surprised if it would affect DNA structures in your body

but i would not know for 100% if that's the case           no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 15:24
Damn, I've got a rhyme in my head now:

my dick once grew a mile long
while listening to a psytrance song
oh gee I said I'm having a big dong
it must be "roll us a giant" a great song

Come on people!! Mutation by music?? What's next? No wait, I've got it. You once came in your freaking pants just listening to a song from Infected Mushroom. Yeah, that's it...
          "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
Aida Noridania


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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 15:51
i personally don't think you have to take mutation as suddenly transforming into a centaur or getting 6 arms like Shiva has or a ganesha look... i think it's ways more subtile if it works...

well scientists found out that people suffering low moods and that are unhappy are more prone to develop cancers... cancers disease but it are cells that have their DNA mutated...

so if that is possible could it then not be that being glad of being at a party in a trance and floating on the music have a similar effect in the long run? i think so.... of course the question if it truely can be seen as a "mutation" is another thing

          no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 22:02
There is a difference from trancer to trancer,dancer from dancer ,and listener from listener.

we have 1 category for users and hard dancers,and 1 category for pure listeners(non users) and soft dancers.

The "hard" ones definetely do hard trips by opening and expanding their minds higher and deeper with music,so let the music take a lit bit more control up their beings.
This category let the sound effect do a lot of changing up their mind body and soul.
A talent musician father is gonna pass through the dna his talent to his son.
A junky father is gonna pass his hard drug habbits also through dna to his new born son,but this junky father maybe borned from a non user father with diff dna wich mutated from him by the years of drug use.
What I wanna say here is that dna takes similarities when we do something intense for much years and then passing to the next generation,so a hard trancer who dances intense stoned under high kw for years is much possible to mutate the dna closer to psy and then pass it to his son,the next generation,and this happens again and again...so yes for sure ther is a dna mutation when we listen trance and dance hard for years,the mutation happens from father to son and from son to next genre...

As for the "soft" ones,the dna is not so much possible because they dont let it happen.

Even scientists dont know everything 100% about dna ...

But for the dna subject ther are more secret changes that happens through alien invasion wich maken experiments with human beings to change the dna and create the perfect being,combinations of aliens with human...
A "hard" dancer sometimes is like makin a signal to those alien beings and open his,her inner gates to receive the changing,the mutation,the mettalaxis..

          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 22:30
I dont want to insult anyone here but some of you guys really need to lay of the chemicals. A well known sideeffect is illusions

Could not help it sorry

Come on now seriously. There's a lot of mumbo jumbo going on here that is so far from sientific reality and nothing but wishful thinking and make believe.
          http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/
mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 01:05
well, theres a 50/50 chance that science is the right answer and about that same chance that somethign completely crazy is right. Soo, its really a matter of what you prefer. I prefer imagination.

"Scientific Reality"? Show me your proof! I wont believe that its 100% true until I see proof. Sources! Data! Research? Please give some proof for your opinion!





Got none? Me either. Just faith, just like you!           .
psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 01:37
Damnit!

i said before i wasnt going to reply anymore in this topic ...........

but i cant resist it!

first:

Aida is saying this thing about cancer.... im not like a doctor or anything but i cant find the link between the causes of cancer and music... i mean music is just noise, sound waves.

then:

Gopinesh says...
"when we do something intense for much years and then passing to the next generation..."
this is Lamarckism.
this teory as kicked the fucked out when Darwin came out with his work... so this is SO WRONG and worst..... so OLD.
And he concludes with Aliens.....

come oooooooooon.... seriously.


... and then mudpeople said...

"well, theres a 50/50 chance that science is the right answer and about that same chance that somethign completely crazy is right"

i dont know who told you this, cuase inmho sounds like came out from a religious freak. I dont even asume wich are the chances about right answers or watever... but i do know that if you take a history book you can notice that the progress of science is paralel to the progress of human kind. One way or another we are like we are in big part because of the science, religions, supertitions, magic, paranormal stuff, come and go all of the time the porpuse of these is give an explanation (no matter how fool this is) to all the facts that logic sense or science cant explain.

Science is not perfect, Science isnt really an answer like you may like it. Science can even be evil, but Science its our only serious tool to get close to an understanding of the universe...

thats it.

PEACE!



mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 02:58
no religion, no.

Science itself acknowledges that its a matter of faith!

Sure its a serious tool but that doesnt mean its right, or the only tool out there.

Im merely trying to illustrate the possibility of other possibilities.


Those who cease to question their own beliefs have ceased, also, to be true free thinkers.


Explain adhesives, science! Explain the Mind! Where is the mind btw? OH yeah, you dont know!!           .
kazuku
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 03:11
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On 2006-12-05 01:37, psytheriatsunami wrote:
Damnit!


Aida is saying this thing about cancer.... im not like a doctor or anything but i cant find the link between the causes of cancer and music... i mean music is just noise, sound waves.




Its not that absurd.....

Your physical state often reflects your mental state..... physical diseases can be the result of psychological causes.

Just because it is "just sound waves" doesnt mean they cant have an impact on something physical....

-So you cant break a glass with sound waves?
-So extra low frequencies cannot make you physically sick?
-Music cant make you feel better or relax you? This cant contribute to the healing process?

Also: It all depends on the belief system of the person who is being treated...if a person believes strong enough that music can influence/speed up a healing process why not? Works the same way like placebo....

In the end sound is energy and we are also energy...just at different levels of vibration and density.

psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 05:06
Mud people:

Science acknowledges that its a matter of faith?
isnt scientific method based on PROOFS. theres no correlation at all between science and faith, faith is about fantasies,wishes and stuff like that, scientific thinking can make hypotesis but always based on solid true facts.

Where is the mind?.... isnt it suposed to be in the brains?


KAZUKU:

im not saying that sound waves cant make many things, and more than sound waves, humans can get very emotional with the power of auditive stimulation.

you are very right about the placebo efect, and get sick about extreme bass frqs.... but man, each of all cancers is diferent, cancer its like a deficiency in our specie... i have never denied a phisicall or mental reaction because of sound waves ... i just dont believe to have cancer because of sound wave exposure.


wot i believe is this:

We are traped in a room pluged to the outer world. this room is our brain...brain actually its an extention of the spine. evrything you can feel, think etc. its esclusivly on the brains. brains are capable of remember, asociate, etc. sounds and also to "order sounds" in wot we call "music".

wot music would be is just sound waves.. meaningles sound waves arranged at fixed freqs for our ears and that our brains are capable to understand, remember etc.

the main efect that music would make on a human is a cognitive efect, it is not the power of the sound waves that is important, it is the interpretation that brains make of the sound waves

Now music has one of the most cool efects in humans cause it can produce emotional and psychologicall states, it produces movement, and im sure im missing more reactions.

but everithing is going on

IN THE BRAINS DAMNIT!

brains have nothing to do with the DNA ....it more like DNA has a lot with brains but not viseversa.


i still think you need to read more about DNA people.


Rah
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 05:20
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Anyone interested in the real life inspiration for that movie should check out John Lilly, who actually invented the horizontal isolation tank, pioneered "metaprogramming" (really this is what I was getting at with the whole mutation thing) and used ketamine and LSD in combination with the isolation tank.



well, if you take enough k you don't really need the tank, now you do ya?
back on topic...

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As Lilly floated in the isolation tank fluid, Enright injected him with 35 milligrams of Ketamine (K). Within a few minutes, Lilly could actually visualize the migraine pain moving out of his skull, to a point levitated there in apperceived space, Lilly felt no pain whatsoever for some twenty minutes, until it once again reentered his head. When Lilly began moaning and groaning in his water-filled sanctum of pain, Enright injected him with another 70 milligrams. This time Lilly felt the pain moving farther away, twelve feet this time. Thirty minutes later the migraine lightning bolt of pain came rushing back, lodging itself once again into Dr. Lilly's head. Enright reloaded his syringe and shot the good doctor up with 150 milligrams. This time when the pain vacated Lilly's head it kept on going and didn't come back; clear over the horizon, never to be seen again. An hour later, after the K wore off, Lilly climbed out of the tank, a new man.



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