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Tris
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:57
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On 2005-05-31 18:26, DETOX wrote:
Did i read somewhere someone saying that if people could download a car for free and this meant the end of all car manufacturers due to low sales that then it would again be the car manufacturers fault of not adjusting their business model?
People when you run out of excuses for your actions PLEASE dont just come here and post ridiculus things.
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Thanks Detox.
I guess the "ridiculus" is for me.
I'm sorry. Whatever the "business model" (cars, shoes or CDs...), if you don't addapt, it's not only your fault.
But part of it for sure. For not seeing how the world is changing and spending your time complaining : "You all going by car and don't want to buy my shoehorses anymore. It's too unfair !"
And it's not an excuse. I don't need any excuse there.
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traveller
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Posted : May 31, 2005 19:01
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On 2005-05-31 18:57, Tris wrote:
I guess the "ridiculus" is for me.
I'm sorry. Whatever the "business model" (cars, shoes or CDs...), if you don't addapt, it's not only your fault.
But part of it for sure. For not seeing how the world is changing and spending your time complaining : "You all going by car and don't want to buy my shoehorse anymore. It's too unfair !"
And it's not an excuse. I don't need any excuse there.
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You adapt when your fav label falls cos people don't buy their albums cos they're available in the net anyways..
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 31, 2005 19:05
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On 2005-05-31 18:47, HandA wrote:
Now I dont know how to balance things but a start would be for the organisers and people to take some chances and actually start to book and pay to see a bit more variated DJ's and artists at the parties and especially Festivals.
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I think everyone agree that more variation and less trends could be nice.
Question is if the commercialism in the scene is not the reason why we have so similar lineups at the parties and so many artists making the same type of music.
Take away money as the underlying motivation and I think we would have a lot more variation.
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Tris
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Posted : May 31, 2005 19:09
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Yes... But if you take away the money from the Cds AND from the parties at the same time, they will starve for sure.
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 31, 2005 20:26
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@Tris
From my experience with this scene, very few artists indeed actually make a living out of it.
The one's I know who been making a living out of trance usually run a label, DJ, release a lot of music and play live gigs.
Most have other sources of income and do the music out of passion.
So take away the money from the scene and you have a handful of artists not being able to continue to make their living from the music, but I bet most of them would keep producing music anyway, and the ones that would quit might not be such a great loss to the scene anyway.
I know for sure that according to my taste in music I could not care less about them anyway.
There would be more organisers of commercial parties, shop owners and distributors that would have to worry about their livelyhood, because there is considerably more of those that depend on trance to make their money.
I don't think it's bad if people do make some money if they like to, but when money dictates how the music sounds, the lineup at parties and what music people get to hear I think it's bad for a small underground scene like this.
A scene like this actually feed from passion and not cash, but when people forget what they feed from the scene can easily die.
Commercial underground music is neither a success with Britney fans nor kids who want to rebell and be different, it's a dead end.
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Tris
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Posted : May 31, 2005 21:28
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Yes, of course you are right.
Not so many artists live from their art.
But on our scene, artists want to get paid. And it's OK with me. I like good music and it has a cost.
Some get enough to live on it, some don't and have to get a job.
I would love a scene (a world ?) where everything is free, but we all have bills and stuff to pay. So it's an utopia.
I don't like commercial parties more than you do but to organise a good (and legal) party without money is just impossible.
So if the artist money must come from somewhere, I think it's better it comes from the parties (where the real scene is. For me, psytrance is party music before anything else) than from the Cds sales.
And so, it's not so bad if music is downloaded for free. Of course, except for the labels.... So when we talk about mp3 killing the music, it's not. It's killing the labels.
It's sad. I sure most label owners are good people who love what they are doing.
But their business as they use to do it is doomed. We are in a transition period and the old model might works for a few more years, but the CDs technology is outdated. We have no need anymore of a physical support for information so less and less people will accept to buy them.
So again, blaming the mp3 or the people who download them and call them thief won't get nowhere. Because they will not stop. It's too easy, to convenient.
It's the future.
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DETOX
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Posted : May 31, 2005 22:53
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So if the artist money must come from somewhere, I think it's better it comes from the parties (where the real scene is. For me, psytrance is party music before anything else) than from the Cds sales.
And so, it's not so bad if music is downloaded for free. Of course, except for the labels.... So when we talk about mp3 killing the music, it's not. It's killing the labels.
It's sad. I sure most label owners are good people who love what they are doing.
But their business as they use to do it is doomed. We are in a transition period and the old model might works for a few more years, but the CDs technology is outdated. We have no need anymore of a physical support for information so less and less people will accept to buy them.
So again, blaming the mp3 or the people who download them and call them thief won't get nowhere. Because they will not stop. It's too easy, to convenient.
It's the future.
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Please tell to the people that you prefer getting things for free rather than paying for them and save the rest of your words.
And if it wasnt for trance labels and cds (that you so much ignore and consider useless in our days) you would probably never have heard of psy trance music in your life.
And trust me if all trance labels dissappear one day then the artists will share the music only with their close friends and partners like they used to do in the early dat years and YOU mate will be one of the last persons that will get his hands on new music and then we shall see how useless cds and labels are.
Sorry for my somewhat attacking attitude but i just cant stand anyone who just bought a pc and discovered how fast adsl internet is to come in public and say things like 'Labels and CD's are outdated'.
Yeah cds are outdated but you use them to dj in your parties and copy your favorite downloaded music and labels are useless but you use them next to your booked artists names in order to promote your parties.
Outdated my a..
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 31, 2005 23:00
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Hey...I want things for free!!!
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slyman604
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 01:05
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man, this new shpongle mp3 sounds fucking great!! |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 17, 2005 13:11
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hello dudes...
i want to add some point which seems more and more logic to me. the voice against mp3-traders are very loud (thiefs, not supporting the scene, the steal music, they destroy the music, etc.)
i was also one of the persons who shouted very load against mp3-traders ect. for i few days want to know whats up with trading mp3 i installed a software, where you are able to download music as mp3 from other users. its a kinda undergroup-network and new p2p system, which has many user.
an half hour later i gave got 2 albums, fresh releases. cool sound. yes, it was my intention how does it feel to get this files directly into my maschine, without paying, without everything.
it was my intention to know, how does it feel to download music.
and i made an important experience of myself.
the advances of downloading music is following:
- fast
- easy
- cheap (only dsl connection needed)
- you only get the files you realy want to have! (this is a very important fact)
disadvantages(mp3-sharing):
- only mp3, no wav. if you are professional playing on big pa-systems, the differences are big!
- illegal
- "destroying scene"
now we compare this with a label, i go and buy a cd. and the gods of music will forgive my illegal-downloads, because i bought A LOT!
advantages (a label-cd):
- nice cover
- spending money to the label and artists
- best quality (wav. high digital superphat format!)
disadvantages (label-cd):
- time to wait until you have it.
- you have to pay money
- you get a cd where where maybe just 50% of the trax click with your taste. maybe more, maybe less.
you are always forced to buy trax with a cd you dont like. this is like sitting in a restaurant and you want pommes frites with ketchup, but you are forced to buy pommes frites with ketchup with froglegs (and of course frogglegs are more expensive)
and i dont like froglegs and i have to to pay them, when i only want pommes + ketchup?!
no...
dudes, i realy can understand, that a lot of people give a fuck on supporting labels.
the labels missed the possibilities of the internet completly. some of then are very loud, shouting that the mp3-sharers are stealing their necessary income. but the do nearly nothing against it. they sleep!
why dont ordering the wavs. online? on special cds burned for you? collect your own cd. only trax you want realy. why not consulting other labels?
choose your own compilation, which comes with the mail 3 days later? pick out the trax you like from 5 different labels, from 30 differnet artists. pay a fixed price for the cd and ready?
if only sells like 1000 cds got sold these days, it would be no hard work to burn such cds after net-costumers ordering.
see the possibilities of the internet! be flexibel.
or cleat on old structures and fall with the sinking ship of dusty marketingrules.
if the interent changes so fast, and the labels and of course the distributions soooo slow and sleepy. hanging in old rules which are dead formulars of today... its no wonder that so many people give a fuck on them.
my opinion.
good day
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Pax
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Posted : Jun 18, 2005 00:45
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Why do people assume the only way to support the scene is to BUY STUFF? Most of the folks I know who DJ or produce do it for the love of the music, the community, the vibe, and the fun times that they share when making or playing the music. I download stuff I cannot afford to buy, can't find anywhere, etc. I also go see these people live when I can, support the scene by going to parties, and tell people about the artists that I love. I challenge anyone to tell me any of those things are harmful to the psytrance community. I would argue that in fact, all of that is vital. So if you really want to support this music and this culture-shut up and dance! Go see your favorite acts-if you can, buy their stuff, if you can't, at least give them a shout-out. Play the music, write your own tunes, help throw a party, help put together a compilation. Make deco. Spin fire. Hand out water to people. Smile. Laugh. It's not about the money-it's about joy and love and light and music and friends. |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 18, 2005 01:26
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So if you really want to support this music and this culture-shut up and dance!
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Your are so amazingly right! Thank you  |
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69 Bit
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Posted : Jun 18, 2005 01:31
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Jun 18, 2005 01:34
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hey friend kitnam,I learned your music by buying a cd from ZMA.Now I realise how foolish I am I could have your full catalog for free.
stupid me
respect,
CRX,athens
ps.I keep on saying the same thing over and over but 15 euros for a sample cd is far 2 expensive
lower the prices of compilations LMs,show us your armory and if u really have got something really good we'll buy it.
its so easy,why don't u understand that?
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