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HandA
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 17:34
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amazing how people keep justifying your downlaod with bull like 90% of al artists use kracked warez and artists dont pay for samples etc etc..
who freaking cares. ok you downlodd..fine do it...it's your choice.. but stop the endless boring OLD rant and whine about ohh the sooo bad artists!
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marcinito
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Saimon/Genetic Spin
Genetic Spin
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Posted : Jul 1, 2005 14:06
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On 2005-05-11 12:21, ensonar wrote:
What are the reasons for judging people who don't live in such financialy developed country's as you are for buying or burning mp3's?
Financial standards are very diferent in country's of eastern europe so let see the reasons for and counter..
I know that this is eternal question on the scene but let's dill with it on this post!
please be MATURE with your reply's..
Thanxx..
..Ohm..
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Saimon wrote:
Well, personally I dont judge people that burn MP3 og CD´s in less developed countries...I guess it is their way of getting some music..stealing or not..It is no excuse, but anyway..if people with less money can get some musical-pleasure, thats way fine with me!!
BUT....Back then, before all this piracy startet, and labels could acctually survive from selling CD´s - it was still manly NOT the people from these less rich countries that bought the music anyway...so they did not, and does not play a very important role for the selling of music..
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P_Mac
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 21:40
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On 2005-07-01 14:06, Saimon/Genetic Spin wrote:
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On 2005-05-11 12:21, ensonar wrote:
What are the reasons for judging people who don't live in such financialy developed country's as you are for buying or burning mp3's?
Financial standards are very diferent in country's of eastern europe so let see the reasons for and counter..
I know that this is eternal question on the scene but let's dill with it on this post!
please be MATURE with your reply's..
Thanxx..
..Ohm..
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Saimon wrote:
Well, personally I dont judge people that burn MP3 og CD´s in less developed countries...I guess it is their way of getting some music..stealing or not..It is no excuse, but anyway..if people with less money can get some musical-pleasure, thats way fine with me!!
BUT....Back then, before all this piracy startet, and labels could acctually survive from selling CD´s - it was still manly NOT the people from these less rich countries that bought the music anyway...so they did not, and does not play a very important role for the selling of music..
/Saimon
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Well said Saimon 
www.boomfestival.org
www.ketuhrecords.com
DONT SEND MP3 SAMPLES PLS!!!!! |
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 02:10
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I dont Like Mp3 at all , Not To Hear and Not on Samples when i work on my music .
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Wizdumb
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Recently it was brought to our attention that( surprsie surprise) a online HUB/file sharing group was featering V/A CONTACT LENS'' a few short days after realease.
I contacted them via the email link a mate sent...just to say hello, and see whats going on
The following is the corrospondunce that followed........-----------------------------
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Wizdumb ~Cosmic Conspiracy~ <djwizdumb@gmail.com>
To: upe@box.
Sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:18:34 +1200
Subject: Label harm
> Hi there guys my names Aviel k, i run the A&R and other duties at Cosmic
> Conspiracy Records,
> ive just been informed you guys are featuring our latest release V/A CONTACT
> LENS'' as we are all aware MP3 spreading is riff on the net. and there is very little we can do to stop this
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> The problem with this release been featured at the moment is that she has
> just been released like 10 days ago...........
> Now us been a rather small New Zealand label, this can in fact be very
> harmful to us guys.
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> i would ask that out of consederation for The artists, and our continuation
> as a Label, that you please consider pulling this CD from your site, at
> least intill a month, when the basic actual sales will be happing...........?
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> please let me know your thoughts,
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> regards
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> A.P.K, & The Cosmic Conspiracy Team
--From upe to- Wizdumb @
Hello Aviel,
we are very sorry, that you think our release of your compilation will harm your label.
It was intended to be a promotion of your work and for many artists an early MP3 release has boosted sales on big stores like Psyshop or Saikosounds and we even got thanked for that.
Our releases are intended for the "right scene" like dj's and other "good" people and are not meant to be going to filesharing and such lame stuff. We are aware that this happens more and more and we don't like it at all.
The story is, when a release is out, it`s too late to stop it as it is spreaded worldwide.
We are not here to ruin small labels, but for free promotion, which they could not afford otherwhise, for example by sending out promo cd's.
Best Regards
UPE Team
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> --From:Wizdumb@cosmicconspiracy.co.nz
Reply To: UPE@box
Date: Jul 6, 2005 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: Label harm
Hello there from New Zealand , we releaise theres not much we can do to stop you offering V/A Contact Lens'', but i would like to say that in regards to '' Sending out promo materail etc, we are more than fully capable of attending to these duties ourselves, and delegating where and to whom promo materail goes to. If you wished To assist and promote the label, why dont you pick up the phone , give us a call and enquire as to whats going on, how you can be involved, what assistance can be offerd regarding promotion, or what kind of good discount you can get on actual cds, .......etc etc .
This is the nice friendly and proffesional manner...
What is your site address, and how is the music intened only for the '' Right persons djs '' etc ??
So djs and promoters go to your site to downlaod tunes, and then buy if they like or what ???? You have to be a memeber .....or can anyone just, download Music ?
I also think its kinda not cool, how you phrased/worded ---''we are very sorry, that you think OUR release of your compilation will harm your label. ''' ---
please dont say'' Your release, that is pretty rude, seen as How you did not release it, its CCR's and the artists involved effort and offering.
, ie all the hard work has been done by other people and would be a shame for you guys to take any credit for that. So i ask that, out of respect and consederation you word yourself defferintly ( ie) '' Our featuring of your release, -- or , ''our offering/sharing of Your release, or even ''Our pirating of Your release''......its much more polite, and less arogant.
And from alot of ppls point of view, offering up there music on the net in an organized manner is stealing........yes all those tracks are licensed .
It even says on The CD ( perhaps you dont have the original) Copying Kills More than Just your music, respect the artists plz - DO NOT COPY
Now you Signed your message with the '' UPE Team''.............What does that meen??
That you guys are like an organized team of pirates or something, a team of ppl, hunting for music to offer up on the Net...?? what are your guys duities and responsibilitys?? Who is the boss?
If ,as you say,--- ''You dont like it at all that alot of mp3s end up on file sharing etc,''----- well then WhY tHE hELL contribute to the problem, by getting it up and out there on the net?!?!
Now also, you Mentoin that ''for many artists an early MP3 release has boosted sales on big stores like Psyshop or Saikosounds and we even got thanked for that.'' Can you please kindly tell me wich Artists & Labels have personally thanked you?
Were all aware off how things work mate, and that in reality theres not much we can do to stop it once its been released, apart from nasty footnotes on CD covers and unhappy vibes........
Sure,So much music from this scene and artists, arrise and grew from the net , yes,
Psy trance in general , from the beggining, spread via sharing,trading, yes.
The internet is a good way of sharing, allowing your music to reach ppl in areas it never would have had the chnace to before, YES.
But the reality, is also that these days , most sales for alot of labels are down, as we have seen with the fall of a few labels........ more and more and more, ppl just downlaod,many artists.djs/promoters,solid fans etc are proud to buy/own original, and apart from the obvoius sound quility reasons, its a sure way of contributing Back, to what you injoy.
please share your thoughts and feelings on this subject, as myself and others are very curious....
sincerly
Wizdumb
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Wizdumb
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 00:12
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--Sorry for the uber long post guys, but wanted to share the full corrospondance-------:discuss:
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From: upe@bo <upe@bo>
To: wizdumb@cosmicconspiracy.co.nz
Date: 5 Jul 2005 22:21:32 +0500
Subject: Re: Label harm
Hello,
we don't offer music or whatever on servers or even sell music, we just release MP3's that's it. In fact we dont even have a server where our MP3's are available.
With "our release" we meant "MP3 release" and not your work, sorry for that missunderstanding.
We consider ourselves part of the Psy scene, this includes many artists and dj's as our supporters, so be careful who you send out promos
Fact is, that every Psy album will be released as MP3 often before store date and if it is not us, there are many other people doing it.
UPE is just a very small group and there are much much more active groups around us.
In "our scene" music from all genres is covered, almost 100% of all media available worldwide, may it be retail, promos, vinyls, promocdr's,
livesets or whatever are "released" by the "MP3 scene" every day in huge amounts.
You can be sure that this output must come from somewhere and it's surely not persons who want to hurt anybody as they often make their living with music themselves.
"MP3 releases" in general are not public and are not intended to be downloaded by anybody, they are only available to a "elite scene" which is supporting only themselves in a friendly and absolutely non-commercial way.
So as you are not part of this, you shouldn't have got this "MP3 release" or information about it at all.
We are sick that more and more "MP3 releases" are getting spread rapidly via public-filesharing like Direct Connect, BitTorrent and others to persons that dont't deserve our "work".
We hate people who even sell MP3 or make pirate audio cd's out of them, like for example im Russia and Thailand, it's unfair to artists and also a little bit on us.
Dont't get us wrong, we have a high respect for the actual artists who produce so much nice music and really think that they deserve to get paid for their work.
As we like original cd's and vinyl and spend a fortune on music we really enjoy and you can be sure that we always have the orginal media in our hands.
We are absolutely not begging for new music online from friendly people like some other lame individals maybe doing.
By the way, you are the first label/artists who complained to us ever and for obvious reasons we won't give out names of artists or labels who benefit from our MP3.
Best wishes and much success for your label.
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hell man, i wouldnt be surprised if you work for psyshop even lol
THank you man you just solved a problem, and explained something....with this latest release we sent out only 1, YES 1, PROMO cOPY........so ive got a good idea where you got it from if it was via promo copy, and they diffnetly will not be recieveing any promo material in the future.
I mean do you even feature a link, or give any credit to the labels on your site ?
''''"MP3 releases" in general are not public and are not intended to be downloaded by anybody, they are only available to a "elite scene" which is supporting only themselves in a friendly and absolutely non-commercial way. '''======again i must say man, IF YOU OWN SOMETHING AND DECIDE TO SHARE it with the world, THEN YOUR RELEASING''' IT.....if someone else owns something, and you decide to post it online as MP3, YOUR STILL NOT RELEASING IT.......YOUR PIRATING SOMETHING, AND DOWNGRADING THE QUILITY AS WELL,ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO RELEASE SOMETHING, thats allready been released....., if you have no actual connection, with the artsist, our ppl involved it is not a release'', its private pirate sharing......................
'''So as you are not part of this, you shouldn't have got this "MP3 release" or information about it at all.'''
What the ....?? are you for real,?? A close friend who is a member shared the fact you were featuring V/A CONTACT LENS.....so maybe in some wierd cosmic way i have a connection with your elitist group''
its a small world mate I mean dont get me wrong, again, all im saying is that in an ideal world, HUBS etc, and traders would whait 1 MONTH till after release then go hard,,,,,,,at least with this releas it only popped up 5 days after release, as opposed to 3 months before hand.... its a respect thing , alas there is not so much of the R word these days......
YEAH MATE I TO BELONG TO AN ELITE SCENE AS WELL, CALLED ''PPL WORKING FOR WHAT THEY LOVE, AND GIVING BACK TOWARDS IT, I mean if Everones Gonna Drink ALL the water from the bottle, and put back into it only piss......whats left in the bottle not gonna be to good to drink........
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and thanx for showing me the light, ive since relised the pointlessness of realasing more music via the classic way, and promoting artists,Through work, and time spent we have since decided to close down, and just ''release' other ppls works on a hub, saves us the hours of work, and bills, and we can baske in the reflective glow of other ppls work, and somehow take abit of credit as re ''releasing'' via mp3.......hahaha
we got a fair sized team, so we should be good at it.....
quote****''''''''''''''**********Best wishes and much success for your label.'''''''''**
Best regards , and much success for your private elite sharing, who knows maybe you are doing something positive for the scene.... hey heres an idea, how about a paypal link on your hub to donote to artists/labels you injoy ?
peace
A
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Now thoughts on this......?and , what the hell is the deal with MP3 sites and HUBS, using the term ' ''Realesing'' music........
wow long post, lol
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 00:21
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that's a very complicated situation there.I have never read such a raw approach concerning psy-trance piracy.
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Wizdumb
Tripinstumble
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 00:25
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And in all fairness, i just recieved this......wich puts a nicer light on things ------and clarifys for msyelf the diffrences in sharing networks/ hubs/ftp etc etc, wich in general im not tooo familar with the diffencces lol  --------------------------------------------
From: upe@box <upe@box>
To: wizdumb@cosmicconspiracy.co.nz
Date: 6 Jul 2005 01:16:26 +0500
Subject: Re: Label harm
Hello,
i think you still didn't get,
HUBS are our enemies and they should be your's also.
Hubs AKA Direct Connect DC+/whatever are used by people responsible for extreme and highspeed spreading of our MP3s, which we and also artists don't want! You are mixing up two totally different scenes that can't stand each other.
Let me show you an extract from our "nfo"-file:
▓▓███ Important Notice:
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▓███▄ ▄▄▀▄█ Support artists by buying CD/Vinyl and visiting
▀███▀▀▀▄▄█▀ █ them on parties/festivals! We kindly ask you ▄▄▄▀
▄▄████▀ █ to not spread our rips to public places ▄▀▀
▓███▀ ▄▄▀ like p2p, pubstros, xdcc, if you still ▓
▓██▀ ▄▓█▀ ░ wanna enjoy our rips in the future. ▓
I guess your friend is also a user of a Direct Connect Hub,
he wouldn`t be my friend if I were you.
Sort of "I love leeching fresh psy mp3 releases and the hottest audiowarez but if it's a friend's album I have instantly to inform him about the nasty pirates" What shit is this?
We featured a long review of your album (which was RETAIL lol), the URL to your website and much more in this MP3 release as it was intended as promotion. Maybe you can check if there has more traffic on your website starting Jun-25. Would be really interesting to know.
But we really look forward to your next release and will surely do a highres scan of the announced awesome cover.
Cheers
This is "FTP" scene
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Ott^
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@ Wizdumb
Great post[s]. I know exactly how you feel.
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Whose fucking "work"??
Seems like nobody is respecting anybody.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 02:30
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Wow that's some stupid nonsense right there. Of course MP3 releases go straight to the hubs. And where exactly does one get an in with the "elite" scene I wonder? Man, I gotta get my MP3s with all the other dregs
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 04:53
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Just have to say something - not about piracy itself but about some of these so-called 'groups'.
It amuses me the kind of things some of these guys say to try and cover their arses and justify what they do.
Like -
'These releases are for members of the 'scene' ONLY'
...so they not only have the god-given right to make illegal copies of albums but also the right to say who listens to them. There is no such thing as honour among thieves! I was also under the mad impression that a music 'scene' was ALL the people who liked that particular type of music but apparently the 'scene' is actually just this guy who ripped some albums and a few of his self-rigorous mates. As for ‘elite’ - you can usually read that word as ‘this is some greasy, arrogant, anti-social dick with dried egg in his beard that in real life you wouldn’t piss on if he was on fire’
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'We hate it when our releases get onto p2p networks'
...if that's true then what the hell did you expect you bunch of fuckwits! lol It’s like George Lucas saying 'Well, i made copies of my movie for all my geeky friends and i was shocked to find it on BitTorrent an hour later!' (only in this case, they aren't even their albums in the first place).
Whether it's plain moronic naivety or unbelievable bile-filled hypocrisy - some of these guys turn blind arrogance into an art form!
If you are going to make illegal copies of albums to give to other people - whether it's one or two people - or thousands on p2p networks, at least have the balls to admit what you are doing! Don't try to justify your actions by criticising others!
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Wizdumb
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 15:06
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On 2005-07-06 04:53, ----Dawn---- wrote:
Just have to say something - not about piracy itself but about some of these so-called 'groups'.
It amuses me the kind of things some of these guys say to try and cover their arses and justify what they do.
There is no such thing as honour among thieves! I was also under the mad impression that a music 'scene' was ALL the people who liked that particular type of music but apparently the 'scene' is actually just this guy who ripped some albums and a few of his self-rigorous mates. As for ‘elite’ - you can usually read that word as ‘this is some greasy, arrogant, anti-social dick with dried egg in his beard that in real life you wouldn’t piss on if he was on fire’
If you are going to make illegal copies of albums to give to other people - whether it's one or two people - or thousands on p2p networks, at least have the balls to admit what you are doing! Don't try to justify your actions by criticising others!
Tosspots
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Hahha To right mate, well said dawn ! lol
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--OTT, chur bro,damn strait like you said '' whose fucking work ?'' dosnt it seem The R word (Respect) these days, has been replaced with another ''new R word..(Rape) perhaps??
Yeah I found some of the guys comments so ludicris,and rude.( ie --
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And many many more classic's....Figured be nice to share a bit and besides he used the 'Elitist'' word so many times.......*cringe*
So if any one ever feels like an interesting yet warped disscussion...The dudes email address is UPE@BOX.AZ ......(Hey wow check it out! im releasing it!!!)-- V/A UPE@BOX.AZ'' OUT NOW---
infact his email address is now '' our'' works......Non exlusive ofcourse to be licensed and rereleased whenever where ever,by whoever.......But..... only to the ''Right ppl'' mind you...
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acidonacid
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 15:13
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free is free.
and if you dont have the money to buy your favorite CD and somebody give you the music in MP3 for your computer what you say? no?
Is no something good for artists labels etc etc. but I believe some ppl here talk hipocritical.
they have free MP3 also and say NO NO dont doit.
I dont like this.
Pleace be honest..
(and dont shot me pleace is just an opinion)
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