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HandA
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Posted : May 31, 2005 17:20
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On 2005-05-31 17:18, traveller wrote:
or i don't know maybe the artist should start getting sponsors.
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Maybe we should just all stop making music for the next 12 months and refuse to play at any parties the next year. And see what people say to that  |
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traveller
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Posted : May 31, 2005 17:23
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On 2005-05-31 17:18, traveller wrote:
or i don't know maybe the artist should start getting sponsors.
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Maybe we should just all stop making music for the next 12 months and refuse to play at any parties the next year. And see what people say to that
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yeah form a union of some sort..
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Tris
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Posted : May 31, 2005 17:24
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@HandA :
Who do I book ?
(let's say my friends and me to be honest)
Well-known artists to attract the crowd and because it's what people want to listen to (in a way, they downloaded the music, liked it and they want the original), talented new comers to give them a chance and bring new music to the people and locals djs who need a start.
Artists don't need sponsors.
They got booking fees. Depending on the number of people they can attract to the party, that's depending on how much people like their music...
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EYB
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Posted : May 31, 2005 17:27
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On 2005-05-31 17:23, traveller wrote:
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On 2005-05-31 17:20, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-05-31 17:18, traveller wrote:
or i don't know maybe the artist should start getting sponsors.
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Maybe we should just all stop making music for the next 12 months and refuse to play at any parties the next year. And see what people say to that
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yeah form a union of some sort..
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Do that. I ll still produce and play 
Mp3s are sexy 
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 31, 2005 17:38
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On 2005-05-31 17:20, HandA wrote:
Maybe we should just all stop making music for the next 12 months and refuse to play at any parties the next year. And see what people say to that
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Wouldn't be a big deal for me personally if artists did.
I don't care much for live acts anyway, I go to parties for dancing, not seeing someone doing playback on a stage working on promoting himself an boosting his ego.
And the artists that would stop making music if they did not get paid for it the party scene could manage just fine without.
There is plenty of producers getting a kick out of seeing people dance to their music and think that is enough reward for them to carry on year after year.
In both Sweden and Goa where I party the most there have been plenty of free parties every year for more than 15 years with DJ's playing for free.
Sure your strike could maybe affect voof and boom in a negative way, but it would maybe make the underground scene to bloom.
Actually I think it's a great idea HandA.
Please start turning down paid gigs because people not only buy you music but download it as well.
It don't make much sense to me, but I think the outcome would be good if you could convince a lot of producers to follow suit regardless.
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HandA
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Posted : May 31, 2005 17:39
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On 2005-05-31 17:24, Tris wrote:
@HandA :
Who do I book ?
(let's say my friends and me to be honest)
Well-known artists to attact the crowd and because it's what people want to listen to (in a way, they downloaded the music, liked it and they want the original), talented new comers to give them a chance and bring new music to the people and locals djs who need a start.
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Ok that basically mean (and i know how things goes) that the the "star" artists get 80% of the cake and the rest get's the leftovers after the organisers have got their own fast made money. So then I guess it's ok to download the music from those that do not get much gigs because as you say "we support the artists at the parties".
To me it seem (without knowing you of course)you do as all other organisers.. Book the stars and give them the big cake and book a few small dj's etc. and give them a little cake or a few brownies.
Maybe the organisers need to think in other terms to be more fair to the artists that I am sure the organisers also download without hessitation. I assume you do download other artists than the "stars"? If so maybe you need to stop thinking that people only want to hear big starts playing playback. And maybe you and many other organisers also need to stop thinking about money all the time. I dont know you personally so i wont point fingers at you but 99% of the organisers i meet think about their own pockets first and dont think much about the artists pockets. They always try to pay as little as possible to fill their own pockets as much as possible. It's quite sad actually seen in the light that most of them always defend their download habbits with "we support all the artisst by making parties" Newsflash. Without the artists and their music there would not be any parties.. so pay them what they are worth without hustle them.
Just my point of view to set things a bit more straight... I still say that the ones that get the least money from this scene are the artists - minus a few ones that somehow managed to get all the bookings and sales even though they aren't that amazing. The ones that get the cream are the organisers (not the underground organisers of course) and the people that save tons of money by downloading our property. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:06
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@HandA
I must say that thinking that everyone who make psychedelic trance music should be able to make money from it seems a bit utopic.
That never been the case in any genre of music or type of art.
On every successful musician there is hundreds working hard all thier life trying to make a living out of it.
Whether you think thats fair or not thats how things is and I doubt that will change, no matter how much you wish for it.
My guess would be that a much higher percent in this scene get releases and paid bookings compared to most other genres.
And sure without the musicians there would be no parties.
But there shure would be both musicians and parties without CD sales, which this scene is a living proof of if you look back to how it started.
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traveller
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:08
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not that it's something we could do but the best way to fight this sort of thing would be if goverments all around the world introduced somekind of megabyte taxes. you know 0.1€ a mb or something
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:18
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There is already tax on CD's and DVD's and it will more than likely come on harddisks and mp3 players as well.
You go and check how many trance labels is associated with IFPI before you cheer that it will save the trance scene financially though.
That people get music or software released under an open license and have to give money to Britney or Microsoft for that can seem quite unfair as well.
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Tris
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:25
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(sorry if we are going more an d more off topic here...)
In a way, you're right. They are all kind of promoters out there. Some are only there for the quick bucks. Thats true. (But most of the time, they don't stick to psytrance very long anyway...).
Still, it's a lot of work. So it's not bad to have a bit of money from it. As long as it's not done cheating people, or artists or whoever...
Now, you want to book an artist. You negaciate a fee with him, balancing his reputation and the quality of its music with the number of people you think will come to your party (and of course all the other expense you have)...
There is no other way. You cant' just say "You want 5000 $ ? OK. Here they are. No problem !".
Promoters (even honest underground ones) tend to think about money because they taking the financial risk.
And don't tell me a lot of artists are not thinking about money. They do. And it's normal.
You say, there is no party without artists. Sure. But there is no party without promoters. Or without people...
The thing is the ONLY thing people will NEVER be able to download are feelings, emotions and happiness during a party.
So they will be OK to pay a fair price (their share, no less, no more) for that.
So it's why it's more important than selling CDs.
You have good artist releasing great music. Lot of people enjoyed it throught Cds or mp3 and want to see them live. Let's say they have 2 or 3 booking a month. So, let's say 2000, 2500 € (they are not even big stars, see). They are already above the average income in most dev countries.
Who are they to complain ? They even got quite an enjoyable job (at least I hope for them)
And you have less good artsists, or less known or more greedy ones sitting in their sofa thinking if only every bastard who downloaded my music gave me 2 $ I could lie down by my pool now, living like a rock star...
It's kind of 20th century popstar dream, to me. That's all...
(And it's true, there all kind of situations in between)
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DETOX
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:26
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Did i read somewhere someone saying that if people could download a car for free and this meant the end of all car manufacturers due to low sales that then it would again be the car manufacturers fault of not adjusting their business model?
People when you run out of excuses for your actions PLEASE dont just come here and post ridiculus things.
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:27
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The important word in any debate like this is 'copy' - when you 'steal' music - the original still exists. It's spurious to compare downloading music to the theft of shoes/cars etc because it's not the theft of tangible items but the theft of interlectual property. It would be better to compare it to the bootlegging/'passing off' of brands of shoes/cars. If there was a machine that could make identical copies of such things (and hence remove the need to buy the originals) - then you could make comparisons.
God help Nike and Ford when we all have matter photocopiers |
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DETOX
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:30
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Isnt China already doing the matter photocopy job?
LOL
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:38
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I agree with both spindrift and handa here, much better like before having a free party and the music is passed over with out having to buy it or to be released but on the other hand the musician needs to get his gear in order to continue with his contibution after all who has the most expenses the musician or the dancer !? ... well we al know .... maybe there should be that little something spilt up fair with all |
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HandA
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Posted : May 31, 2005 18:47
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On 2005-05-31 18:38, Kemic-al wrote:
I agree with both spindrift and handa here, much better like before having a free party and the music is passed over with out having to buy it or to be released but on the other hand the musician needs to get his gear in order to continue with his contibution after all who has the most expenses the musician or the dancer !? ... well we al know .... maybe there should be that little something spilt up fair with all
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I am all for free parties and actually also to a point "free" music as long as there's some balance. As things are right now the winners are the ones that save tons of money by downloading the music and quite many organisers too. The majority of the artists are the loosers at the moment. Now I dont know how to balance things but a start would be for the organisers and people to take some chances and actually start to book and pay to see a bit more variated DJ's and artists at the parties and especially Festivals. If you look at this years Festivals you'll see the same names over and over again no matter what genre it is at the different Festivals. Yes some say that they have earned their right ect ect. And to a point I agree.. But many of them have also sold out and repeat themselve over and over again whereas the not so know artists in my opinion are the ones that actually experiment and create new interesting and unique music. Maybe giving them a chance too would balance things out a bit more?
Now I am doing fine and have plenty of gigs so I am not advocating for myself here but for the many artists and DJ's out there that deserve a more balanced scene.. |
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