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Mike A
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Posted : May 3, 2003 22:24
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The following post will consist of very confused feelings, both positive and negative in a very mixed way, while I'm waiting for my pizza. Enjoy 
I'm angry.
Trance music is ruined. It's not dead, like everyone says. Actually it's more alive than ever. But it's ruined. The music is totally fucked up and lost all attraction it had ever posed to me.
I tuned in to a radio show called Kamasutrance here on Radio Darom. 2 hours of the same thing. Repeating itself. Again and again. Maybe a different melody here and there. Wow. How refreshing. I got a CD for a review. Suddenly it's track 3. Oh, those were 2 different track? Ok....
Music today is repetitive. It's the same thing. People taking the some formula and "tohnim" it from all possible sides. There is nothing wrong with that music. But be refreshing. Can't be refreshing? Ok. Don't release the same thing. Just don't release at all. 5000 labels with 500000 artists releasing the same thing, and only 5 buyers. After that you cry why labels close and artists have no money. Everyone downloads a cracked program from the internet and makes sound. Not music. Sound. Quality control of labels focuses on sound. Not on music.
Music has became a collectors item. People no longer listen to the music. People download and get and receive. It's a shame to buy something these days. People work to get all the unreleased material, every release and every piece of music (music?...) ever existed. A person who "understands" in trance is a person who has 100 GB of music. Wanna see mine? 8.80 GB (9,450,017,536 bytes). About 50% is what I have on original cd's. 90% of it is pre-2001 music. When I tell people about that, I'm suddenly a person who doesn't worth talking to. Do people actually listen to those releases they get? Not hear it once. Listen. Listen to it 20 times and find out something new every single time you hear it. Nope. And then you complain why music sucks.
People cry about commercialism. Take Infected Mushroom. Making something new every album they make. Good music, good sales. Take some unknown artist with a debut album on some 2 week old label. Shit music, shit releases. But he has his respect, because he released on a label. Wow. Here, take a candy.
Where is respect? Where is the PLUR? I'm sure 50% of the people in this forum doesn't know the meaning of it. People who heard a nice groovy boom boom at some party and now collect the music. I miss the old days. Really. Now I'm 17 years old. When I was 14, it was all better. I just found out about trance and I went to shops with money, took a random album from the shelf and listened to it 10 times in a row, every time to experience a whole different feeling. Now I listen to an album. Ok, this is boring, when will it end?
Yesterday I listened to an old album I had. The first California Sunshine album. Not acceptable by any standard today. Sound sucks and hollow. But just listen to the music. Now that's something amazing.
Music is not what it was. Labels pop up like mushrooms after the rain, every track is a K-I-L-L-A together with some flashing smilies, and honor is measured by the amount of music and what connections you have.
Maybe I'm just missing all of the good music that's being released these days. Cosma's Simplicity. BLT's God Is Love. X-Dream's Irritant. Those were good releases. 2 out of those 3 I have on original CD. 3rd I couldn't find it. Maybe there are releases like that. I just can't find them coz 90% of the market is pure shit.
I've lost my faith in psychedelic trance. Now, if you may excuse me, I'm off to hear some emotional progressive club trance.
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Munchie
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Posted : May 3, 2003 22:38
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On 2003-05-03 22:24, Mike A wrote:
Quality control of labels focuses on sound. Not on music.
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Unfortunatley, you've got a point. Today, the criteria for releasing a track is sound quality & production. There are still some labels who release stuff with Musical qualities [not just production qualities], labels such as Ambivalent, Plusquam, Plastik Park & Iboga. But today, fewer & fewer labels focus on the artistic side of the music. Instead they focus on the technical side... Too much formulated music going around these days :-(
anyway, methinks there's still hope
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full_on
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Posted : May 3, 2003 23:11
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Hey friend, relax, eat your pizza and chill out a little. You're only 17 years old, you have your whole life and lots of great music to hear.
Maybe it's a matter of taste... I really like some projects today, like Sub6, Sesto Sento, Beat Hackers, Triptych, Protoculture, Cosma and some others...
You got several good points in your post, but please, never loose the faith. Don't give up just because some people have 100Gb of mp3 on their HD, but they can't listen to any of these, because they're too busy trying to download another new "killer" unreleased track...
Keep on listen to the music you love and supporting the artists you like. Wait and you'll see new albums you like being released.
Never loose the faith, keep on trying once again...
Respect!
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Silent Scream
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Posted : May 3, 2003 23:21
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Kaz
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Posted : May 3, 2003 23:26
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I can both agree and disagree.
I felt the exact same way, at two points of time. The first was when goa moved aside to clear it's place for full-on, I couldn't understand why people prefer full-on (excluding Tim Schuldt, and early GMS stuff which I loved). Early 2002, what started out as a beautiful thing called progressive trance has become a soft, less psychedelic version of what it could be. Acts became softer, fluffier, and less psychedelic (Vibrasphere are the perfect example). And I'm not even talking about full-on which started as a continuation of psytrance into new territories (Psychopod, Tim Schuldt) and is now simple formulas and noisy sounds that are a copy of a copy of a copy of what used to be psychedelic, but is so far from it now that it can barely be recognized. People use simple grooves in order to make jumpy tracks, and even Auricular's last EP has lost the dark edge that made their music so great.
So I take a break. I listen to more IDM, DnB and 60s music. After a few months, suddenly there's an album that comes out that's exciting again (Electric Universe - Unify did it for me last year). Things will never be the way they were - you're 17, but you're talking like a seasoned raver already, so, I'll say it before anyone else. Don't think about the 'good old days'. Don't compare. Listen to what you've got for what it is, not for what it isn't. That way you'll enjoy the music, even if it doesn't give you that rush of excitement that you used to get.
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Surrender
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Posted : May 3, 2003 23:38
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kaz, right on the money.
mike, i feel you man, i wrote a post like this about a year ago... i took some time off trance, started listening to other music more intensly and obviously im back to it, its healthy to take some time off from everything. "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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cyberdelia
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Posted : May 4, 2003 00:12
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Mike how can you say that you dont like repetitive music, when after that you say you like x-dream irritant? For me is a good album, a star, but still a repetitive much technoish than other albums...
BE HAPPY!!!
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : May 4, 2003 00:18
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Mike, it sounds to me that u are looking in the wrong direction... I know you´re musical taste of dislikes and such... well maybe its time to forget about the standards and try new things? have u ever been into a store and just picked a cd wit´hout even knowing what it is except that its not in the full-on trance section?
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Hg
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Posted : May 4, 2003 00:21
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I'm angry, too!
I'm angry too see all this pessimism in the forum.
I'm angry because in a very little time in the past people rejected certain music which they love now.
I'm angry because most time people just criticize and complain - i know it's valid to point the bad sides but they seem to be greater than the good sides lately...
I'm angry because psytrance is my life, I'm very optimistic about my life, always... But other people are not corresponding. I'm sad for them...
I'm angry for having to think that the remote idea that this forum can, one day, turn into a progressive/housey forum or something else...
I'm angry because more and more artists leave the scene because of money.
I'm angry an piracy, for the fact that I cant buy all albums i want because the economy of my country sux
I'm at 819874561 things, which you all dont care (thanx), but all this anger goes away when I play my favorite tracks, when I awsome stuff in this forum, whenever I open the doors to my fantasy world at trance festivals... Whenever psy is related! And I bet this is the same for most of you...
Therefore, we should always be promoting the scene we love. I know that critics, anger and deception can serve as good, but they MUST not dominate. People look at the later threads and you will the what I'm talking about... Sometimes I really question the integrity and vibration of this forum, but, overall, I love it here!
*One more thing to add... I dont get why people depend on new stuff to be satisfied. My parents, for example, listen to the same rock n' roll for over 30 years and they dont get tired.
Respect!
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cyberdelia
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Posted : May 4, 2003 00:22
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Mike stop eating your Pizza and reply please. LOL
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : May 4, 2003 00:23
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On 2003-05-04 00:12, cyberdelia wrote:
Mike how can you say that you dont like repetitive music, when after that you say you like x-dream irritant? For me is a good album, a star, but still a repetitive much technoish than other albums...
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he likes it. what makes you think that what you like or dislike complies with the rest of us? i find irritant to be extremely musical, in it's own sense. however, some of the tracks on Candyflips's candy and the delta compilation were too repetetive for me. does that mean i am "wrong" or "right"? not to you
Mike, I hear you man. i was in the Marijuana day today at Joshua Gardens in tel-aviv. let me tell you a little secret. i left right when the trance So-called DJ (the guy was playing the cross fader every odd or even bar) came up. and let me tell you, the reggae, freestyle, dub and breakbeat tech house were so much fun to listen to. In my opinion, you are simply saturated. take some time off, as berserx here kindly offered. listen to some other things. i do that all the time, and not since i started listening to trance.
"We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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cyberdelia
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Posted : May 4, 2003 00:32
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I know Jason, its all about taste in music. And I find strange that he is angry about trance music nowdays. Music make us happy
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medir
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Posted : May 4, 2003 02:44
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...i go with anders advice =(-8
(...won t take much time...*jokin*)
btw, chk demon tea and doof rec...
...light to mike...
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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full_on
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Posted : May 4, 2003 04:58
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My friend shrOM, you also got a got point, we should fight for our dreams. But don't get so angry. It won't help you.
And Mike A, some people keep living and thinking how good was their past and end up forgeting about the beauty of the present. Understanding the value of the present is being somehow enlightned, because it makes you able to live this present.
Respect!
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Mike A
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Posted : May 4, 2003 08:46
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On 2003-05-04 00:12, cyberdelia wrote:
Mike how can you say that you dont like repetitive music, when after that you say you like x-dream irritant? For me is a good album, a star, but still a repetitive much technoish than other albums...
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Of course it's repetitive. Every music is.
What I meant is repetitive is basically what I wrote in the 3rd paragraph (including the pizza into). That's repetitive. Irritant was different in each track. Each track had a different message and point to it. Try to compare Rewind to Thorazin to Universal Chaos. Impossible. Same style - yea - it's the same artist and same album. But the tracks themselves are different. That's what I want. Now take the average album that comes out today. Compare track 1, 4 and 7. See any difference? Not me. Same boring boom boom boom with a groovy bassline. Yay! Good for the dancefloor. But not for the mind, unfortunately.
As some of you mentioned, it's not the taste. I can listen to all. Tech-trance, goa, full-on.
If you take for example progressive tech-trance, something which I like, but make 50 albums exactly the same with exactly the same tracks, I'm going to be angry. I like full-on. Happy optimistic music. Astrix' album is full-on. And it's good, professional and diverse. It has it ups and downs, but it's ok. Now take Safi Connection, or Intergalactic or 50 other compilations and albums. The same thing, over and over again.
It's not taste. It's devastating the music.
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