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Asi
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Posted : May 5, 2003 01:56
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| what about the Scandinavian/German progressive formulas? Ticon (and the 231078 clones that popped up in the two years), Vibrasphere, Haldolium, Son Kite, Atmos and so on, and so on, and so on (please, spare me the crap about 'deep' music, it's about as deep as an average groove-and-feel-happy prog-house tune, only with a so called 'psy' sound |
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kaz i know your drunk but i totaly disagree with you here, vibrasphere a copy ?? atmos a copy ??
these are the few artists that still have uniqe style.
and as a fact trance is formula these days, but there is nothing we can do about it, the artists want to be big and this is the easy way, but dont forget that we still have lots of good artists...always look on the positive side.
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timsensient
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Posted : May 5, 2003 04:30
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On 2003-05-05 01:09, kaz wrote:
DON'T work by simple formulas, make it complex. Don't use those house stabs to get cheap emotion and energy in the track, play around with some wacky sample instead. Make things not only stomping in one rhythm, change it all the time. Don't use a simple house groove, take insane jazz syncopations or whatever instead. It'll work. It'll be special.
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full_on
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Posted : May 5, 2003 05:25
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Astral Mike, you are telling me that all full on artists are repetitive and boring??? No way...
For sure it's a matter of taste, cause I find other styles much more repetitive and especially more boring...
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Kaz
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Posted : May 5, 2003 11:54
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Asi: Now that I'm sober, I stand behind every word. I listened to some of the newer Atmos music with a progressive house DJ, and he said 'hey, this is nice progressive house'. Vibrasphere may be a bit more on the trance side of things, but saying that none of what they're doing has already been done is more than just a leap of imagination.
The fact that it sounds 'new' doesn't make it that. The definition of groundbreaking in the House world and in the Psytrance world should be TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
And full_on: of course they're repetative, there's the Israeli dull-on (I meant full-on! REALLY!) sound which is more or less the same, there's the GMS and buddies sound, which is more or less the same (and very similar to the Israeli full-on sound), and there's the french full-on sound, which is somewhat different than the GMS and buddies sound, but excluding Yumade and Absolum, are still very close.
Of course, it's the exact same thing with progressive music and with techtrance. You shouldn't expect a better statistic than 1 out of 10 albums being something new and special in any of those styles. Usually worse.
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Anak
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Posted : May 5, 2003 12:25
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tell me, which music style isnt formulated? rock: every song contains guitars, bass, drums, vocal. the formula: 1st part, bridge, chorus, 2nd part, bridge chrous, 3rd part (thats is a longer bridge usually), bridge, chrorus, 2 x chorus.
i dont know but if u want every track to be something really outstanding, there is no way.
btw. i just mentioned rock becoz of the generally knowledge of ppl here. its the same every, sometimes even strogner and more bordered.
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Astral Mike
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Posted : May 5, 2003 17:44
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On 2003-05-05 05:25, full_on wrote:
Astral Mike, you are telling me that all full on artists are repetitive and boring???
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I did'nt say ALL full-on artists, i named thoses artist that have almost the exact same sound/formula.
For sure there are lots of full-on artists that IMO are original and have variety in their tracks for example;
simon posford, infected, spacecat, oforia, xerox, psysex, logic bomb, astrix, x-wave, psycraft, sub6, GBU, dado....
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Posted : May 5, 2003 19:16
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Anakoluth, that's exactly the reason why I don't seek any challenge in Rock music and why I don't listen to it - it just doesn't move anything.
check out some jazz, some folk and some classical and find some unformulated complexity. Why are you checking out rock for god's sake ?!
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Zombi
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Posted : May 5, 2003 20:54
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On 2003-05-05 01:09, kaz wrote:
and the 231078 clones that popped
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do u think this number of artists can make variety ?? when u have 5 acts u sure will have variety, when u have 1000 u cant dream that everyone will make variety music.
im not going to speak about normal already bitching about progressive music, i will just play it around for groovey-happy-smiley and positive ppl
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tom anteater
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Posted : May 5, 2003 21:08
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check out some jazz, some folk and some classical and find some unformulated complexity. Why are you checking out rock for god's sake ?!
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philip, whilst i agree with what you are saying, i think what is really interesting about these genres you cite is that a lot of the music is all based around one very simple structure (ie twelve bar blues) but the artists still do smthing original with this basic remplate. this suggests to me there is no reason why trance artists of all sub genres cannot do the same thing with their chosed template... they just need to do it!
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arrya
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Posted : May 5, 2003 22:32
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you most definitely have a point there .. for a while in between, i was absolutely sick of the genre - during the glut of gms remixes and astrix colllaborations, which is all anyone ever played at parties ... hearing scientific reality and juice again and again, party afterparty ..
so i decided to branch out - phish, grateful dead, a lot of reggae .. and sticking only to the night side of psychedelic music - lots of dark soho, the delta .. rinkadink at times .. now that ive started going through my collection again, its the old tunes im listening to .. hallucinogen, sun project, california sunshine, xerox, mfg .. all greats ..
every so often, an artist comes up with some incredibly original album / track - take teder beseder for example .. changing tempo, reggae , chanting voices ... all relativelt new in terms of full on music .. that renews my interest .. the only other thing is parties - where a lot of the same old stuff gets played ..
the solution ? take a break for a bit - living psy 24/7 will eventually get to you, as it did with me .. and you'll need a change of music ..
it always sounds so much better when you come back to it ..
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bholenath
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Posted : May 5, 2003 22:54
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Astrix does get very boring....
....good fudge comes on slow!!! |
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Hg
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Posted : May 5, 2003 23:35
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Overall, I think that everything that is made with real love does not fit these repetitive characteristics. Sometimes artists try to hurry up tp release their stuff and that's why they repeat themselves. Jazz was a great example of non-formulated music, and IMO the major reason for that, due to historical and individial characteristics of the style, is that it is made with love and cumplicity. I think that is a lack at most tracks... Can't you *feel* in some tracks that the artist put his life on it? I can, and those are my favorites...
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Kaz
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Posted : May 6, 2003 00:38
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IDM tracks aren't usually formulated, and it's really, really beautiful. With all of my bitching at the trance from Finland for being chaotic for chaos's sake and not for any other reason, it's not formulated. And once every now and then, I listen to a 'normal' psytrance track that does something new. The same holds for rock music - sure you can take Oasis as an example, but you can take Dream Theater as well.
It's not impossible to make good, original music. My beef with so many acts is that they don't even try.
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Posted : May 6, 2003 01:11
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mike: if u feel this music today sucks why u still try to listen ?
maybe its time for u to move on
i know ppl that listen to trance before 4-5 years now dont like it so they listen to smt else
and i can say that gms and alien project and that stuff also sound like a big clone for me
how many times ppl can fight about taste in music?
i use to like psy music before 4 years,
i listened to california sunshine and mfg and astral projection befofre 4 years. so i know exactly what u mean.
but my taste has changed and evolve
now i like progressive, downbeat and ambient
and im very happy and gratefull to the artist that made that music.
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Mike A
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Posted : May 6, 2003 13:57
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You guys didn't get me right.
I have nothing against full-on and trance. I love this music.
What I don't like is 5000000 people doing the same thing.
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