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full_on
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Posted : May 4, 2003 10:35
Or maybe it's just about taste.
Because I disagree Intergalactic album is repetitive or "The same thing, over and over again." Far from that, IMO Intergalactic is one of the best acts out there...
You said tracks 1, 4 and 7, right? OK, you're telling me that 1 (Lift off) = 4 (Supernova highway) = 7 (Follow the light)???? No way... They are three different, great tracks.
"Same style - yea - it's the same artist and same album. But the tracks themselves are different." See it?
Want a tip, my friend? Buy this album!
Respect!



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Mike A
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Posted : May 4, 2003 10:55
Quote:

On 2003-05-04 10:35, full_on wrote:
Want a tip, my friend? Buy this album!


I got it original. Didn't buy it though, and I'm thankful for that.
Look - I'm not talking about Intergalactic in particular. It's just one album that came to my head. There are other albums. And the track names were random numbers.
Anyway, I think that a slight change in the bassline and adding another effect is NOT making the track different.
Kaz
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Posted : May 4, 2003 12:12
I agree with Mike A wholeheartedly on the repetative album point - musical diversity is not considered an important quality in most releases, or at least so it seems. The Shpongle albums have a very unique style, but every track offers a totally different soundscape and atmosphere - X-Dream's Irritant does so as well (even though it's much less diverse IMO). The most extreme version of things sounding repetative to extremes yet giving a very complete album are in the Techno scene, when an album can have a very extreme monotone droning feeling, but the tracks together complete a beautiful creation. Plastikman's Consumed is one of the most minimalistic techno albums - each track consists of a few sounds slowly evolving throughout long minutes, with very subtle changes in the atmosphere at each time, with a very distinct movement in each track that can only be attributed to this particular artist, yet this album gives out a feeling of a complete creation. Whereas I can take a much less organized album, where the formulas aren't fully dominant, where it's not minimalistic but with a very full sound, but you can listen through it and feel that it's just more of the same, starting with the first track (Atom's Hologram, most GMS albums, nearly all of the compilations compiled by DJs).           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
BrainStorm
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Posted : May 4, 2003 12:32
exactly my point of view, pity that so many people around doesnt recognize it and when i posted the topic about repetition on modern trance music - they fought me with saying "Whats wrong about trance being repetitive and containing loops?"


Try this collection.. i use no loops, unlike any other band and each track is different: http://www.kemos.com/yiannis/BSlinks/BrainStorm.m3u

Listen to it many times, see you found a lot of new stuff with each new time in every track

i think complexivity vs using no loops + making tracks which arent likely to each other (means spending a few months for producing 1 track, instead of spending 1 week;) brings music very personal touch... but who cares?
most of electronic bands compose looped stuff and tons of people found it nicely sounding.. maybe because they just cant imagine, how one can use custom drums, basslines and synthlines, which are exchanging every 5 seconds with the new ones and never repeat themselfs ever again in the same track




Kaz
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Posted : May 4, 2003 12:37
Brainstorm: The problem is not with being repetitious or using loops - on the contrary, these things can be very, very deep and powerful. Diversity isn't measured just in the details, but much more in the complete view of the track - Astral Projection may give a lot of touches to their sound, but calling them diverse is wrong. The example I gave of Plastikman (which is minimalistic far beyond what people call minimalistic in the psytrance world) on the other hand gives very diverse musical creations, a progression of atmosphere and sound rather than structure, if you will.

Diversity can't be directly measured, but it can be felt. And the feeling when it's not there is something that would be great to avoid.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
rippa
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Posted : May 4, 2003 13:14
Hi Miko.
I agreed with most of what you written.
about the quantity of Label i'm 100% with you and on some other stuff manchined aswell.
but there's one thing i didnt agreed
about all the old tracks you wrote
dont you think those track didnt were played over and over again in thier time?
maybe they are great tracks but they are "thunim" like you say.
now its the time for new vibes like few others manchined it here (Progressive for example) , and about your Progressive club trance - you're tottaly wrong here , i was listening to this musiv since 98 to 2002 and its even worser than fullon!
same formula always - lovley melodies but the tracks reapting themselves all the time.
belive me - i know what im talking about.
i was very impressed from it in the past but now Psy i feel like i feet more this music just have diffrent energy - very powefull strong energies.
That's my point of view.
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Anak
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Posted : May 4, 2003 13:57
i met a guy like you mike yesterday. he was long time psy freak. no he isnt. he said " the scene is fucked up. u can make ur thing in techno, drum n bass, hiphop, but never do ur thing in psytrance, it wouldnt bring u far." this made me very sad.
pls think of the good ones. why complaining bout thinks/ppl who make it bad?? love what/who makes it good!! always look on the bright side of life!!

well one thing which makes me a bit sad, is that real minimal morning music...is almost dead. most artist convert into proggy house.
so i started much more listening to minimal techno, labels like kompakt, konvex'n'konkav etc......u know what.......when i listened this whole day and return to psy in thevening....it would be nothing that makes me smile so hard.

cheers Roman
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 4, 2003 15:49
so go to hear some polka music, arabic heavy metal, yidish music or swedish rap... and trance will be brighter than ever           REHAB is for quitters
Trip-
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Posted : May 4, 2003 15:54
Agreed 100% - that's what I allways felt nothing chnged my mind - but look on the bright side? it's kinda hard looking on the bright side when there is no bright side.

Little tip though - I don't think the future is dead just yet... I think there might be someting new evolving which will be very diverse and alot of thought put into. I must have this hope or else I'll be doomed really.

Take out irish folk music just for some diversity fueling - it really helps me.           Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA
traveller
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Posted : May 4, 2003 16:44
if you don't like the music why not listen to something else?

repeative music? wow what a suprise.. it's trance, what did you expect? trance is all (almost) about formulas and mathematics..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Anak
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Posted : May 4, 2003 18:29
my words. gilad, my words. :-D           Anakoluth A Pebble in Your Eardrum's Shoe since 2001!
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I.D.a.N
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Posted : May 5, 2003 00:00
The scence is growing bigger, and with it comes a lot of negative and positive shit.
Astral Mike
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Posted : May 5, 2003 00:46
I have to agree with you Mike A, imo there is far too much formulaic israeli styled full-on...

Talamasca, Sesto Sento, Safi Connection, Atomic Pulse, Alien Project, Spectrum, Intergalactic, Viktan have the same formula. It's boring.

Also GMS, 1200mics, Earthling, Bushman, Shanti, Soundaholix and even Alton are starting to sound exactly the same!

I don't mean to criticise the original artists who created this formula, as i feel this is a natural concequene of the popularity of that sound. The same thing happend in the mid 90's in the UK. The Goa trance scene exploded, and with it lots of untalented artists jumped on the bandwagon looking to make a fast buck. The result was the UK scene died very fast. But on the positive note, people involved in the scene learnt hard lessons and a refreshing new wave was born...
Kaz
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Posted : May 5, 2003 01:09
Astral Mike: what about the Scandinavian/German progressive formulas? Ticon (and the 231078 clones that popped up in the two years), Vibrasphere, Haldolium, Son Kite, Atmos and so on, and so on, and so on (please, spare me the crap about 'deep' music, it's about as deep as an average groove-and-feel-happy prog-house tune, only with a so called 'psy' sound). There are a few main formulas in the trance world, and everyone tries to work according to them except a RARE few that invent them as they work, and not just copy themselves and others. In the 12 months, I think there were about 10 albums that were truely trying to do something special, which is about the same as 1995, only with about 20 times the artists around. The so called 'variety' we get is just another name for more of the same, only from the mouths of the labels that want to believe it themselves so much that I'm not sure if they're aware it's a lie or not.

Traveller: trance isn't all about formulas and mathematics - that's techno, trance is far behind on the science department, but it's slowly getting there. I think that it's a very good thing, mathematical qualities in music give a very 'complete' feeling to it. But that's just because I love progressive - well, not just progressive... I love well ordered music. But that isn't enough, there has to be something more in order to give it that truely special feeling, something that isn't available in most House or Techno tracks but can so easily flow from trance music.

Just some sensless babbling after a few glasses of wine and some harder alcohol: A shame that most artists don't use that quality nowadays but rather look for ideas for making a good trance track in other places when the answer is just in front of their faces. DON'T work by simple formulas, make it complex. Don't use those house stabs to get cheap emotion and energy in the track, play around with some wacky sample instead. Make things not only stomping in one rhythm, change it all the time. Don't use a simple house groove, take insane jazz syncopations or whatever instead. It'll work. It'll be special. We like special, we aren't looking for 'easy' music, if we were, there are many other scenes that can offer that much better. We want to be challenged. WE WANT IT. And fuck yeah, we can dance to it, and ohhhh we will.

... ok, enough venting frustrations for today.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Rude_Boy


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Posted : May 5, 2003 01:48
Dude, I think you are having a serious case of Trance O/D....

Doctor's Order -

Listen to other music !!!

It's just impossible that someone at the age of 17 will loose faith and declair the sudden death of trance music.

Listen up dude, im 32 years, so when I was 17 the year was 1987. If I'll put you into a time machine and send you back over there you'll be lost, you wont be speaking the same language, and you know why? cause youth of today is being born into a world where everything already exists ! broadband internet, sms, mobile phones, pda's etc.

When we, those who were born back than at "the age of inocense" simply learned to appreciate each and every little thing, and that's what almost everyone forgot these days, appreciation people !

be thankful for what you have, cause its might not be there tomorrow....

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