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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 03:27
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Since it seems that hating full on music has become a hobby for quite a lot of people I'd like to open this thread for people who actually love full on. Note: This thread represents my opinion only, and I am going to use bad language. If you don't like it, don't read 
So what's so good about full on? First of all, it moves. Fast bpm, strong bassline, dominant percussion lines. This is dance music after all.
Formulated music? Common. Show me music that's not formulated. Everything is. Even the elitistic IDM (intelligent, yea right) music. Bunch of random sounds. Just calling it intelligent shows how arrogant the artists are.
Full on music (especially melodic full on) is for me, a direct evolution from old school goa. It evolved when people got tired of the crappy minimal & prog wave of 2000 and 2001. People then cried that "goa is dead, now we got the shitty prog music". And so full on emerged. Artists like Astrix, GMS, and their copycats began making the anti-minimal movements.
Oh, copycats. Full on is copy paste music. Like other genres are not. Minimal all sounded the same, dark psy sounds exactly the same with those fucking bizarre sounds scattered around a really bad sounding beat. Prog is really quite explored now is much more challenging to make something original in. So claiming that full on is copy paste music is true, but totally unjustified.
After full on first appeared in it's modern form, cicra 2002, hoards of imitation artists came to be. Only the good ones survived. The rest are now forgotten, and stopped doing music a long time ago. This is the same with all types of music. The good artists (with the exception of GMS which recycled themselves too much, but now are getting back to their senses) kept on reinventing the music and making the standard higher and higher each passing month so today it's very hard to achieve something professional. Most full on released today is mature enough, and very good. There is crap of course, but there is always crap. You can't do anything about it.
Back to the old goa spirit. Melodic full on is taking goa to the higher level. Calling it trash just because you can actually hear the bassline now and everything is clear and not a mush of sounds is being plain dumbasses. You had goa, you grew on it and you remember it as the good old days. That was the good music of back then and you didn't know anything better. If you actually listen to it today you will see that compared to today's music it is just bland. There are exceptions, with Hallucinogen - LSD being one of the best examples of it. But most of goa released back then is nothing compared to today's music. But since melodic full on tries to imitate, or rather innovate the classic goa people treat it like it is destroying something holy. Relax people, the artists (me one of them) make this kind of music because we love this music and want to create something new in that style, not to ride on lost forgotten waves of nostalgy. There was also so much crap released in goa that no one remembers it, maybe only collectors and real goa fanatics. Only the good was remembered and that's why goa is considered to be so good while in fact it was just your ordinary every day music.
Psychedelia. Oh yea. Those artists used drugs and it reflected in their music. Well - not everyone. Some people never used drugs and got twisted minds. Same like today, some use it while others don't. Today's music is psychedelic just like it was 7-8 years ago. Maybe what you call psychedelic is the crappy sound production? Anyway - the feelings old goa music has evoked in people are now long gone and can't be restored. But people who are new to this, young people which didn't visit goa in the early 90's and only been to Thailand with their parents on as a birthday present still love this music. They have the right to enjoy it, dance it, and create it. The fact that people younger than you are now doing it makes you think that "every kid with a computer gets released". Sorry to tell you but it's true. As an artist I get many people asking me how to do this and do that, and most of the time people realize that they just can't music, no matter how much money they put it in. In order to make music you need talent. Not every kid has it.
Need some examples of what I call good music?
Vibe Tribe, Dali, Sixsense, Z Machine, Ananda Shake. This is good music which I really enjoy. Give it a try if you didn't.
Ok I think I'm done
Sorry if it sounds a bit confused, it's 3 am here. I'd like to have responses about it if anyone actually read all of it.
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 04:38
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I also like the melodic full on you describe but now I see so few reeleases like that. When I went to full moon festival this year, after a couple of days it all started to really sound the same. I just hear big bass, and kicks, a part where it slows down, and then a cheesy melody etc. I would not want full on as a style to disappear but I think people need to do a little of filtering before they deside whats "killer" 
so that the labels will see what really innovating, spiritual, mind expanding, twisted psychedelia is.
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 05:11
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 10:07
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Sure, full-on has it's roots in goa trance.
Also if you remember Europe (the final countdown), that was a evolution from the orginal heavy metal like black sabbath and led zeppelin.
Although a cheezier version, also over produced to make it dead and sterile and make your ears fall asleep.
Astrix and GMS is very comparable in a sense.
I think in the future they will be percived in the same way, you can have a laugh about them, and think that their stuff was sometimes a bit ok.
But it still aint black sabbath or led zeppelin, just a cheesy offspring from their work.
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 10:24
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Full on might have developed out of the old goa trance, but that doesn´t mean it carries any of it´s magic or spirit. That got lost on the way.
People are changeing, music is changeing and the substances people are using is also changeing.
Where psychedelica ruled, cocain and mdma took over.
And that reflects in the music as well.
mdma puts pink glasses on you and you loose your judgment, what is actually good and what isn´t.
Cocain clooses your heart chakra and pushes up your ego.
Full on has imo nothing to do with psychedelic music.
"Maybe what you call psychedelic is the crappy sound production?" MikeA was writing. "Not only" I answer, but I think that overproduced, perfect sounding tracks are absolutely boring after a short while of listening and (like Spindrift said) makes my "ears fall asleep".
"This is dance music after all." It´s ok, if it works for you, it doesn´t make me dance. I guess it depends if you are describing dance as the sheer movement of the body, or as a journey of mind, body, soul and spirit.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 11:20
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good points, pointy 
(and nice loops and swhirls in your signature...)
overproduction... it doesn't make my ears fall asleep, it's the other way around.
hmmh... dare i say it? (i'm going to get whipped for this) i can't listen to (for example) son kite's "colors". the production hurts my ears! it's too clean, pushed over the edge into territory where the sound is ultrahypermegamaximized. there's no overdrive audible but it still is there ...
can't explain it better than that.
yeah, off topic?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 12:04
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For me overproduced doesn't have to do with how maximised it sounds. There is very soft but overproduced ambient as well.
What makes a track sound overproduced is when you stick to the various rules of production.
When all the levels is perfect, so no sound sticks out as being a bit loud or low and no masking happens between the parts.
When you EQ the parts to achieve maximum separation between the sounds, especially cutting of to much low frequencies from the leads to avoid any clashing with the bass.
When the sounds amplitude is to contolled using compressors.
Even if it sounds really hard and squashed it does make my ears stop paying attention after very short time.
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 12:28
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 13:04
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As much as i find a lot of crap in today's full on i find it in same quantities in progressive or even more in tech-trance (sorry i don't dig it at all).
The best metaphor for today's condition of psy trance is like a big balloon with let's say 10 black dots on it. The new labels that are being open and the new artists that are releasing the new material are all adding volume to the balloon. It doesn't matter how much volume will get in till it explodes, the number of the black dots will remain the same, 10. The problem would be to find the black dots. It is getting harder from time to time. But the numbers are steady. I can spot easily 10 tunes from 2004 that totally rocked for me. And not necessarily from established artists.
But the balloon will explode, so make sure you'll pick your black dots before it happens. Or support them and strenghten the balloon's leather
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 13:34
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@Outolintu: thanks for the compliments about the swhirls, I can only pass them on... there are some very artistic people hanging out in the fotolog.com, I saw a few guys&girls using it in there and stole it 
And about "overproduced": I meant too polished, nothing sticking out, nothing catching your attention, going down too smooth... Spindrift described it very well in technical terms.
@Pavel: Don´t forget, that the dots on the ballon will also get bigger and more blurry, the more you blow it up. 
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Silent Scream
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 13:48
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agree with mike about most of the points.
but there is one thing i dont like, when superstar artists make a track in 2 days only for easy money, while they know its shit compared to what they can do but they dont have to work hard cause they are alredy famous and lots of people will like it cause it has a catchy vocal in it.
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Nemco
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 14:02
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Sadly that happens in most types of music... and why try new stuff as an artists when you know you can score easy by just recycling some of your old tracks...
Still... I'm a lover of full-on like never before... sometimes, as with all music, you just need to look a little harder and better to find the music you like. I really wish people would stop bashing cheap music, and start putting their time into praising good music...
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Lux
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 14:18
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Comparing the full-on style of today with the old psy-music that started everything about 10 years ago is unacceptable for me.
There is no comparison with these two styles of music. What does today's GMS or Astrix has to do with Transwave or Juno Reactor or Total Eclipse of that time?
Come on people don't compare things which are barely similar. Ten years ago, a new release would come out from the only 10 existing labels of that time and you would go nuts! When is the last time you heard a new compilation or album and you practically adored all the tracks in it? For me it's been a really long time.
Nowadays there are about 1 million psy labels with new ones spreading every month and new artists coming out like mushrooms in a forest. Nowadays is about quantity not quality... and I don't mean about production quality.
I go to a festival and listen to full-on which has all these elements discussed, strong baselines, melodies, etc etc but where is the soul? After a while it all sounds the same to me.
Old psy-trance was nothing like it and maybe the production levels have improved in comparison to the past but hey people, whenever I listen to Juno's Rotorblade or UX tracks I still cry and wonder what has happended to this kind of music...
So after 10 years of listening to psychedelic music I turned to more Proggy stuff because I wanted to listen to something DIFFERENT! Ok, I know Progressive has its own formula like other styles of trance (i.e. Dark stuff), but hey, it is different from Full-On and sometimes even more psychedelic for me than the classic Full-On...
All I want to say is that you can't be stuck to the same style of trance all the time. I can't go to a party and listen to full-on stuff for 8 hours in a row! Most of the time I end up to the Chill Out stage to salvage what's left of the party.
Oh and by the way, it's not about drugs people or even the production of a track.
It's about the soul...
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 14:54
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ahahahahhahahah -You guys kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeA u r right full on rocks, for me too
And i can't hear the the shit about soul, overproduced, wrong and right drugs and spirit of the real 'goa' anymore. Thats is all shit!!!
Pointy whats up with u, why do u care what people use what kind of drugs and what is the relation if 'U' like full on?
The magic? Don't start with fees and dragons and this stuff
It is just funny on the one site and sad on the other. People who don't know anything about how artists produce judging about producing times, thats fucking shit.
So people stay cool, it is just dance music, don't bring the nazi style further into the scene.
Peace full on lovers
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