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DJSarasin
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Posted : May 13, 2009 18:30
Well.....i have a sneaky way of dealing with this.



I will adjust it to where it is level (No red lights), then have a chat to the Sound Engineer and offer him to share my spliff! I then ask him to tweak the PA a tad....so it sounds HUGE.

LOL



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Ascension
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Posted : May 13, 2009 19:12
Just find the gain knob on the amp and turn it up

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RK9
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Posted : May 14, 2009 16:50
Well, +2 db might not peak the mixer, but it might cause the speakers to clip (if there's no limiter), or bump up against the limiter (if there is a limiter)
Ascension
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Posted : May 14, 2009 20:06
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On 2009-05-14 16:50, RK9 wrote:
Well, +2 db might not peak the mixer, but it might cause the speakers to clip (if there's no limiter), or bump up against the limiter (if there is a limiter)



That all just depends on how the sound guy set the system up, which someone should tell you before you play.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Kitnam
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Posted : May 16, 2009 23:05
I once had discussion with an experienced dj around here who used to own his own club too and usually knows what he is talking about.

We where talking about headrooms and the concept of decibels in a studio envirement, he just had never produced realy in all his dj career and I was showing him a bit about logic.

I tried to explain him what a headroom is, so my idea was to go over to his mixer and there was this pioneer and pointed on the red LEDs "You know this is the headroom, it could best described as a kind of idiots-space to make mistakes with your level, its the same within logic bla bla..."
He looked at me strangely and said:
"Hey I have mixed on this mixer in my club for years and you push it way up into the red zone. Everyone is doing that and we had a lot of big names on this mixer, which did the same too."

makes you feeling scary heh?

Every club as a different PA-mixer-setup how do you know where the treshold of the limiter is?
vaxination


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Posted : May 18, 2009 11:34
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On 2009-05-13 19:12, Ascension wrote:
Just find the gain knob on the amp and turn it up






do that on a rig I'm running and I'll kick your ass off it

= ] hehe. dont give the kids ideas they already are always trying to push the system I'd hate to hear horror stories from parties that went bunk because some idiot thought it would a good idea to mess with the amps. granted I always run the amps full and pull it out on the cross over or a limiter..           .:.vaxination.:.
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Posted : May 18, 2009 11:39
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On 2009-05-16 23:05, Kitnam wrote:
I once had discussion with an experienced dj around here who used to own his own club too and usually knows what he is talking about.

We where talking about headrooms and the concept of decibels in a studio envirement, he just had never produced realy in all his dj career and I was showing him a bit about logic.

I tried to explain him what a headroom is, so my idea was to go over to his mixer and there was this pioneer and pointed on the red LEDs "You know this is the headroom, it could best described as a kind of idiots-space to make mistakes with your level, its the same within logic bla bla..."
He looked at me strangely and said:
"Hey I have mixed on this mixer in my club for years and you push it way up into the red zone. Everyone is doing that and we had a lot of big names on this mixer, which did the same too."

makes you feeling scary heh?

Every club as a different PA-mixer-setup how do you know where the treshold of the limiter is?





wow sounds like he doesnt know his shit at all. you run a pioneer mixer in the red all day and see how long it lasts. its a good board so it will last longer than most but still they dont like running that hot all the time. green means go people, you can pop red every now and then (the effects tend to jump gains on the 800) but dont run it in the red, your signal will sound like shit.

wonder what "big names" hes talking about.. but then again maybe the sound in the club sucked or was yanked way back so they were just pushing the board to the max for the hell of it..

scary. I tend to like to give the DJs some volume and go over the dont you redline my board speech, and then when they do, I yank it back to cover my ass.. course adding a limiter is the best way to save a PA in a club from being toast.           .:.vaxination.:.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 02:26
I hate it when DJs run into compression or limiting, really, I do.

You can tell anybody not to go in the red or not to push the limiter to hard, it doesn't matter. all the most DJs see is that people on the dancefloor react more if it's louder...

So you can try to explain them about limiting and compression and that with that the volume goes up but it sacrifices clarity, quality..

Mostly the people on the dancefloor scream when the fat bass hits the floor and not when the subtle sounds wrap each other..

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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 12:42
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On 2009-05-13 19:12, Ascension wrote:
Just find the gain knob on the amp and turn it up







There are no gain knobs on PA amps, the knobs that are there are used to set the input sensitivity and has nothing to do with controlling the output gain on the amps afaik.


And again, bouncing a bit in red on the mixer doesn't automatically mean that the amps will go red and clip. It all depends on how the gainstructure is set in between the mixer, the crossovers, limiters, compressors, eq and all that stuff in the chain..


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