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DJ who goes in red in the mixer...

Stregone
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 15:02
Hello fellow members of isratrance


I write this, because I also dj a little in some party and I saw this already so many times...

Often if you go mix to a party you will find 2 x cdj's 100 and one mixer djm 600 or similar...

I mean in small-medium & often even bigger partys...

Then with the 600 mixer, if you go in the red in the level meter, the sound will be yes higher in level, but also distorted, the more you go in red the more is distorted...

I mean is true that often you have the PA( sound system) who's not the more powerfull you will see, but do you think is good to play all your 2 hours set on 5 red point, all way distorted? It's true that the people will hear a much higher impact volume (SPL), but the music quality will be much lower


You dj's or consciouss freak what do you think about this?

I personally prefer not to go in red if possible and if not possible to try to not go too much and stay a little less with the volume....
Tomos
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 15:39
Distortion = bad

When I play or when I dance I always want the music to sound nice, not destroy my hearing.

Some clubs are just loud for the sake of being loud.

makus
Overdream

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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 15:55
i hate when djs do this. its ruining the great concept of bringing crystal clear sound.

first of all PA matters. if its bad and weak, then its almost okay for DJs (and absolutely essential for young DJs) to go red. fuck this habbit i say! lower but better i say!
second, if a dj plays mp3 + distorts the sound... well is this a DJ playing or just a guy who doesnt know a shit of mixing? why the hell artists spent billions of hours tweaking knobs, mixing and mastering to achieve best result?
and one more thing. when you go play after such -red-lights-dj and low down the volume to get better sound quality you notice that many people get out of the dancefloor because the music got lower and the pressure is gone. what the hell? i met such situations may time in small clubs and openairs with small ammount of sound watts. what to do? breal the red-light limit or loose people?
dirty thingy.           
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Stregone
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 16:16
Yeah this is exactly what I'm speaking about...


What I noticed is often before me there was somebody playing all in in red and people dancing in a certain way, when I play with less volume, people change style of dance and are more taken by the music then the impact itself....
So there it start something special
shachar
Basic

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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 16:25
usually the mixer is conected to the sound system through limter. that means that when the sound enter the red zone it reduces his levels.
so when you push the fader up it just makes the opposite.. if the sound engineer see that you are "good" Dj and stay in the clean levels, he can add more gain to the system and still keep the nice sound.
piXan
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 18:04
kids on drugs not djs           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
makus
Overdream

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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 18:07
Quote:

On 2008-01-23 16:25, shachar wrote:
usually the mixer is conected to the sound system through limter. that means that when the sound enter the red zone it reduces his levels.
so when you push the fader up it just makes the opposite.. if the sound engineer see that you are "good" Dj and stay in the clean levels, he can add more gain to the system and still keep the nice sound.



usually (at least in Ukraine) in small/avarege clubs with avarege budgets cheap limiters act as PA protectors from damaging (while youngsters turn the faders and gains as much as possible) therefore they change the sound in some way while processing the sound.           
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acidkills
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 22:48
Quote:

On 2008-01-23 18:04, piXan wrote:
kids on drugs not djs



nuf said           http://www.myspace.com/djacidkills
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missing-link
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 23:14
DJs who go red in mixer should be shot...

the only time you should be slightly in the red is when you have not noticed it and you are about to fix the propblem
lol..
Tomos
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 23:23
Last time someone hired my rig the DJ kept pushing into the red, I kept walking over and turning it down, he kept turning it up. I had to battle for him to understand me because he was fucking DEAF anyway.. eventually he blew a tweeter. Not happy
shachar
Basic

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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 11:08
Quote:

On 2008-01-23 23:23, Tomos wrote:
.. eventually he blew a tweeter. Not happy


I like it when the speakers start to burn! hehehe
yes yes fire!!
Chemogen
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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 11:42
How far into the red is acceptable? Normally with my sets, the first red-light will blink a few times but never be constantly red. Are there any situations where one does need to keep it in the red al the time?
makus
Overdream

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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 12:28
^ its okay if it blinks sometimes, just keep it on that level.           
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PsyTwat

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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 14:24
.. only an amatuer thinks that red line on the mixer is ok...... have to turn up the amp.. not the mixer!!! if the signal into the amp is distort then the sound is distort
Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 17:54
Stregone - it all depend how small the system realy is , how many peaple etc. and offcourse if the "soundman" realy take the amp as high as possible...
sometimes it is true what you say but other times the +5 is the bottom line that make peaple dance , bigger PA is the real answer to that...

tomos - you right , sometimes clubs has to lower the volume , ear killer retards
also , why dont you have limiter? would save your tweeter.

makus - this exacly what i say , if 0 is too low and peaple not dancing , turn it up ..

shahar - hehe true! aint it funny to lower the volume and get more loud and clean?
i allready gained "the best sound set" in a party just because of limiter and all other djs play in +5 hehe

chemogen - ideal sitch for me (with huge rig 20k minimum) is to play on -2 all the way , while mixing can be abit louder and climb up to 0 , after that it can be limited for protecting the system. but on 4k rig its just not working and also 10k is not huge if u have more then couple of hundred peaples in open air.. therefor if there is no limiter pushing the volume higher will result louder outcome from the speaker and , well peaple just vote with their legs , i promise you that crowd likes better distorted high gain then clean low gain (when it comes that low when its not realy make you move)

psytwat - offcourse , but what if the amo is allready max out ? offcourse this is when the trouble begins.


soooo sum it up , dont play red - thats the rule
buttt there are exeptions like in any rule

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