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Blame all the shit and frustration on the labels.
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KINO OKO
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 15:56
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On 2006-07-14 15:54, DETOX wrote:
Actually the scene is not primitive,its AMATEUR 
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Beartrap Machine
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 02:47
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Good topic.
Its really sad that the scene is shrinking. What Detox said about how the rule of supply and demand doesnt apply to trance anymore is 100% accurate.
Also, I can see how the "quality control" of how listeners percieve releases have regressed quite significantly. There are so many releases out there at the moment with amateur production and mastering that get rave reviews in the review section. People like crap more and more...
So its getting easier for artists who make shitty music to gain respect, as well as for labels who dont take the game seriously. This is bad.
Also, psychedelic trance culture itself is fading fast. There is less and less "psychedelic" activity at parties these days, which used to be one of the foundations of the scene. People are taking more and more nasty drugs at parties now than ever before. So in a sense, artist and label productions are just reflecting the state of the current trance audience. Many of the new trancers just wanna dance and have a good time instead of having their minds blown away by the intensity of the music.
Artists are often booked to play in front of crowds who know nothing about what psytrance is about(which is the majority of the audience at the moment). Maybe this is part of the reason why GMS,Infected,Skazi ect changed their style...
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veridia
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 07:25
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On 2006-07-12 17:54, psytones wrote:
hehe, jip. Very. I'm just waiting to leave the office so that I can enjoy a festival with Juno Reactor (!!)
People buy Dali, Skazi ect ect. because the labels chooses to release it. Yes, because "the" people buy it.
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Yes and no. People buy Dali, Skazi, etc, because perhaps... maybe, some people actually LIKE Dali, Skazi, etc. While from my point of view I cant stand Skazi, Dali is actually ok.
The music industry is part dictatorship and part popular demand. If there is no demand for a certain style it wont be made. And not to mention, some musicians enjoy the thrill of playing to large crowds. It's thrilling to be appreciated by so many.
It helps to understand the different angles from different people's point of view. Not everylike likes the same music, some people prefer dark music, some prefer cheesy stuff, some prefer uplifting. I personally, like energetic and/or deep uplifting type stuff.
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veridia
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 07:36
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Also, psychedelic trance culture itself is fading fast. There is less and less "psychedelic" activity at parties these days, which used to be one of the foundations of the scene. People are taking more and more nasty drugs at parties now than ever before. So in a sense, artist and label productions are just reflecting the state of the current trance audience. Many of the new trancers just wanna dance and have a good time instead of having their minds blown away by the intensity of the music.
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Well, there are different kinds of intensity. In the mid-90's, there was amazing use of synths like never heard before. It was original, wild, crazy, and yes, it was intense. But genres change, like rock and roll is no longer producing the 1000th cookie cutter grunge act, psytrance too has changed.
So where are we today. Judging by what is ACTUALLY released in the psytrance by sound samples... You have three MAIN genres. The energetic full on, the progressive, and chill out. And for these genres you have dark, and uplifting.
New school full on, I will admit, they know how to put energy into a bassline and a beat. They've really got something. And if any genre has officially outdone mid-90's eurodance with it's intense driving basslines, it's new school full on. And yes, I DO listen to a select handful of eurodance groups from the mid-90's. Most notably, Pharao, with their amazing production on several tracks. |
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veridia
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 07:44
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Also, I can see how the "quality control" of how listeners percieve releases have regressed quite significantly. There are so many releases out there at the moment with amateur production and mastering that get rave reviews in the review section. People like crap more and more...
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Describe amateur production and mastering.
First of all, when I listen to a track, the first priority of mine is... Is this going to move me? (and I dont mean dancing) If it doesn't move me why even bother with mastering.
Amateur production and mastering isn't a problem in this scene. If you want an example of amateur production being an issue, I can site no better example than MP3.com in the early days when they let anybody post pretty much anything.
Believe me, I have heard amateur production thanks to MP3.com, I know what it sounds like. I'm just not getting what you mean by amateur production, because I dont hear a lot of releases that blatantly reek of amateur. For some releases, blatantly derivative of past works I can agree with.
Amateur music just sounds bad period. It's hard to like amateur music, because it's made by people with no knowledge of music structure. If you had a person who had no concept of melody for example, his melodies would sound out of key, or just plain akward... akward, in that geek sort of way, who tries to seduce a girl, but who also hopelessly doesn't get it. That my friend, is what amateur music is all about. |
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Reece
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 18:06
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you guys are hilarious! thanks for the truely amusing read everyone!
my 2 cents -
things are meant to be exactly how they are... fight if u like (if it makes u happy!)
or just learn to flow and laugh with it
just do what u do, and love it. have fun. NOTHING is serious!
make what fills you with love your focus,.... why bother with anything else!?!
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Pt.
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 18:23
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I like Reece =)
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 18:32
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always someone to blame...
blame your self for even bothering...
why should just a few people decide whats good or not? why should you do it psytones? why should i do it? isnt it just a waste of time to do it..
i listen to the music i like, no matter if you like it or not, you might blame both the artist and the record label cause a track is released that you dont like, or that you think sound like the mainstream....
i listen to lots of different music, and its a fact that some do it better than others, but that dosent mean that the others should quite, or stop trying...
if i decide to start a lable and release the music i like and that i think others will like, nobody should blame me for anything.... ignore it or dig it...
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Pt.
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 18:48
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It's not just about taste/music New Era Man. It's about the whole principle and value of psychedelics (who am I to decide?) and psy/Goa-trance. Money is on the other side, and labels does have a hope to make money. But all in all, the capitalistic point of view should NOT be a part of "our" scene. This scene is about something else. But hey, I’m just dreaming. Living in a fantasy. Labels are a part of what we are supposed to stand against. Of course you have small independent labels who only base their activity on music, peace and love. No money AT ALL. Like Spindrift's Reaontatearth. But we all can't be as true and idealistic as Pointy, Spindrift and their baby.- Nope. Even I am a slut to the capitalistic life. But hopefully that won’t last forever.
Let's just kill everyone and let their God sort them out? Sometimes I wish all humans would get eliminated. The earth could start again.. (and we would get a new evolution leading to the same problem, lol) No, lets just live life, smile and be happy. Life is too short (I think it’s to long) anyway. It’s like what Reece said. Even though I’m hoping that he also see my fantasy point of view. ..
Fantasy? People are living my fantasy with success.
Why cant you?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 18:55
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"People like crap more and more"
its just elite to say that... and btw what is crap?
many people say that microsoft is crap, though they still use their products...
i would be very happy if my standards was the standard... but the standard is always changing, either your in the wheel or not... or you invent your own wheel...
if people like crap then maybe i should sort out my project folder and just take the crap and release it... cause like you say, people like crap more and more.... on the other hand maybe my crap isnt your crap.. damn that would be wierd.
noo i wont buy this at all... people like music, and people create music... if a person thinks that most released music is crap than maybe s/he should contribute with his/hers wonderful music...
all this bashing on artists and labels will just seperate us more and more... and it wont do you as a critic no good either. cause oneday when your there your self, you will understand that you cant please everybody... or can you?
money needs to be made... why go against the stream if you want money? thats a big risk to take..
the commercial side is one side of the scene.. if you dont like it.. you got another side, but cause its not commercial you will have a hard time getting your hands on it... and why would some sit on great music just for the sake of being underground... that sounds a little stupid..
maybe they dont realize its great...
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Pt.
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 18:59
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 19:02
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On 2006-07-18 18:48, psytones wrote:
It's not just about taste/music New Era Man. It's about the whole principle and value of psychedelics (who am I to decide?) and psy/Goa-trance. Money is on the other side, and labels does have a hope to make money. But all in all, the capitalistic point of view should NOT be a part of "our" scene. This scene is about something else. But hey, I’m just dreaming. Living in a fantasy. Labels are a part of what we are supposed to stand against. Of course you have small independent labels who only base their activity on music, peace and love. No money AT ALL. Like Spindrift's Reaontatearth. But we all can't be as true and idealistic as Pointy, Spindrift and their baby.- Nope. Even I am a slut to the capitalistic life. But hopefully that won’t last forever.
Let's just kill everyone and let their God sort them out? Sometimes I wish all humans would get eliminated. The earth could start again.. (and we would get a new evolution leading to the same problem, lol) No, lets just live life, smile and be happy. Life is too short (I think it’s to long) anyway. It’s like what Reece said. Even though I’m hoping that he also see my fantasy point of view. ..
Fantasy? People are living my fantasy with success.
Why cant you?
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i can dig your fantasy any day..
sure i would like it to be that way... its my dream aswell... if we would make it a "cult" and have a board that decide what is psychedelic or not we would soon dig our selfs a pit... why not just let it be open to all and then sort out what we think is genuine...
again, i agree with you, but reality sometimes blur the dreams...
im all for wierd psy.. but im all for cheesy melodic trance aswell.. and i hear all those copycats, but they wont shine as the orignal stuff does, so im not worried 
the money bothers me aswell... and i think if all the people that think like you and i, and there is alot, would gather, it could be a change coming... but society has us in a hard grip.. haha
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 19:07
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psytones - the "people like crap" post was to Beartrap Machine...
Egoism is what the capitalistic society has contributed to...
i wouldnt work in a tribe, if someone cought a Ego he would ge fryed but in a tribe everybody would work for the welfare of the tribe so nobody had to be ego....
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 20:13
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wheres the problem? people fuck up the labels, labels fuck up the artists, artists fuck up the people. economic circle.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 20:22
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Kitnam - haha... lets all get fucked up... ohh we are already fucked...
okej.. lets blame the people that blames the lables that blames the artists that blames the people...
wow it really is a circle..
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