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Blame all the shit and frustration on the labels.
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 21:45
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i'm sorry mist, ofcourse u are right  i forgot about all the crappy skatepunk groups they keep releasing sorry bout that |
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mist
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 21:53
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 00:14
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On 2006-07-12 18:01, psytones wrote:
So.. ? So like Detox says. It's all about the money. Money first, music second. Is that it? Of course there are people buying whatever you choose to crap out. That’s because 80% of the population enjoys crap. Blame the labels. I don't know which year the big "psy-label" boom came, but when that happened. (?) That’s when all hell broke loose. [stop quoting me, it takes so much space]
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It's stupid to blame the labels for releasing the music. The people are the ones that buy the music smartass. Without us it would die off real soon. You sound as if the labels force you to buy the music. I say: blame the people for buying the crap, cuz if they wouldn't buy then the labels would stop releasing crap music. Get it? It's simple economics. And then there's the taste issue. While I like Psykovsky, I like Derango less and I simply dislike Ott's music for instance. Everyone is entitled to their own taste, who are you to decide what is great music and what not?
And hey, ofcourse money comes first and music second. 90% of all labels work that way. It's life man. Get used to it. Or do you mean to tell me that if you were an artist, you'd make music for free and keep as underground as possible? Ofcourse not, if you could make more money doing music you'd do it. (hey, who wouldn't?) It's that simple. "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 00:22
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On 2006-07-12 21:28, mist wrote:
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On 2006-07-12 21:20, FREGLE wrote:
In most musical genres labels just don't release the copycats... |
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i would like to take the time to disagree with this statement. take any artist on any label in any genre, and there is another act out there with a similar, or "copycat" if you prefer, sound. american pop music is a perfect example, and a wasteland of shit. here there are big labels trying to make a buck at whatever the cost, and mass-marketing a cookie-cutter product to feed the sheep... all the while, there are smaller labels, indies, who release music and artists that they are passionate about.
i think that the majority of psy labels are more comparable to the "indie" concept, and love what they release. it's music that they are passionate about. of course, there are exceptions to every rule, so this doesn't stand as a blanket comment. there are always rotten apples, but you shouldn't let them spoil the whole bunch...
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Sorry to burst your bubble man, but a lot of artists on your label sound very much alike too. Copycats are everywhere, don't be a hypocrite and act like you're above this.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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mist
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 00:37
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as i said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i may not agree with yours, but that can't stop you for expressing it. though, to call me a hyprocrite, i believe is unjustified. if anything, they are the ones being copied... but, i have no desire to argue the point with you. especially coming from someone who doesn't care for ott's work...
Are you connected to yourself?
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mist
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 00:54
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ok, that last comment was a bit unjustified as well... but seriously, show me an artist, and i can show you an influence. EVERY artist has in some shape, form, or fashion, been influenced by another.
Are you connected to yourself?
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clown
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 02:38
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thats not the point Mist.. the point is that for every 1 good release that comes out, there are 20 borning releases. Try to find a cherry in a large bowl of strawberry jello.. its very hard!
And there is no denial that labels are a big factor to why there is no interest in psytrance anymore. I mean, if i just woke up yesterday and wanted to start learning about psytrance, i would have no clue where to start. Should i start with IM ?? Or that new forest music junk?? chances are i'd listen to a few tracks and never go back to psytrance stores, fearing that my dead grandmother will be resurected and come up from hell to stab me in the brain. its torture..
yeah yeah, taste smaste..
the bottom line is, both the labels and the artists aren't half as original as they should be, releasing what everyone else is releasing (with exception of course) and since everything looks and sounds the same, its not too appealing to the psy-virgin, hence the only people left trying to buy our music.
so i guess, the people aren't buying the music because the music is all the same because the labels are releasing too much of the same, flooding stores and hiding that good release that comes once a month...
sucks, i know. just look at the sales sheets 
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 04:00
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I have said it in the past and i will say it for once more now.
Half blame goes to the labels and half blame goes to the artists.Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule but i am speaking about the majority out there since for every Twisted Records there are 50 Spliff Music out there and for every Iboga Records there are another 50 Kagdilla Records in the market.
The labels want to make as much profit as possible and in order to do this they release very commercial music,rip off artists,sign tracks for free and in general release crappy releases that although sell very little they still make a profit for the label.
The artists want to become popular and get as many gigs as possible so they are making as much music as possible which ofcourse is crappy most of the time,willing to release their music for free to any label as long as their name will appear somewhere,willing to play for free (even pay their own expenses) to any event on this planet in order to satisfy their ego and in general will do anything for some promotion and personal satisfaction.
So from the one side you got the labels exploiting the music and the artists in order to make profit and on the other side you got the artists exploiting the labels and the music in their own way for gaining some promotion.
In the middle of this situation you got the listeners that every day get flooded with countless releases from new labels and new artists so they get so confused that dont know what to purchase and what to hear,so in the end they just download everything in order to keep up with as many new releases as possible most of the times ending up with huge ammounts of music that they never listen simply because internet is faster than time in our days.
Therefore you got the market getting destroyed everyday since more labels and more releases means less sales for everyone,you see the market works under the demand and supply rule but in psy trance this rule has been abandoned for some years already and you got just supply supply supply all the time and just a very little of demand so its just a matter of time before the whole market collapses.
Its a pity of how this small scene has evolved after 2000 because the big loosers are the serious artists,the few serious labels in the market and the listeners.
The serious artists had to quit or change their music style because they didnt want to follow the new music trends plus didnt accepted after all these years in the scene to get treated like newbies and go and play in events for free or almost for free and license the music to the labels just for some bucks.
The serious labels are forced to either close or limit their releases and limit their budgets because the sales are getting lower every day and cant compete with 200 labels out there even if 90% release bad music.
And the listeners just fed up with the whole situation and some of them are quitting the scene and move into other music horizons,some of them just dont buy anything anymore and download whatever they like,some of them just adopt to the new reality and very few (unfortunately) of them are aware of whats going on and just support the artists and labels that think that are offering something good to the scene and just ignore or even laugh at the rest.
Me i am still in the scene because i like some of the music,like to party sometimes,meet new people and keep up with my old friends from around the world and because i run a label more as a hobby rather as a real time job.
The funny thing is that my hobby label runs more professionally,sells much better and gets better feedback than at least 80% of the labels out there and although this is really funny for me it is really sad at the same time for the scene itself because you realise of how unprofesional and unserious the whole thing is in our days and how some people destroyed this lovely music for their own interest.
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Sonikyronic
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 04:47
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Fuck Skazi and his pussyhead "i'm a rocksuperstar lick my psychedelic flourescent extralarge bollocks" attitude!! he's owns the psychedelic trance scene nowadays... no matter what you or i say, he has and will always be the master of the big bucks and the silicon tits that all of us would like to have on our own bedroom! skazi, you'll never listen read this, but you can just and simply suck my portuguese latin cock and then swallow it and thank me for being such a nice fellow... and then i'll whip you and spank you and call you "ma bitch" and then you would say with that arrogant egocentric fuck-me-hard looking expression on your face: "ok, so you are the man of the things, but the fact is that i sell music and i perform on the most incredible places and parties in the world and i atract people that don't even like psytrance to my shows... because i always use the same formula times over and over and over again and these Ecstasy/Speed/cocaine heads bite it and eat it while they have no clue what psychedelic trance is about, and guess what? me or them, we don't give a f**k about it! you know why? because i have the money and you don't, so shut your mouth, ok??? i'm sick of you always shouting: "skazi destroyed our scene, skazi is the antichrist" - listen, i simply don't care about it, you see, not even a tiny small little amount of worriness... you know why?", and i asked him why, he said: "because i have all the pussy, all the money, all the hotels, all the cars, all the fame you always wanted to have"... and i said: "but skazi, psy trance is not about the fame or the money, it's about a new collective consciessness of the karmic souls embrancing shiva and his holiness the pope of the jaras Goa Gil and serving and protecting such values like freedom, brotherhood and the mother-nature..." - "screw that hippie non-sense... what really matters to me is the money... m-o-n-e-y... ok?"
Well, the point is... the labels are the dangerous thing, but not the threat by themselves... labels are useful when it comes to release good music... but chemical crew and TIPworld for example, are bling bling trance exporters... they are the ones who destroy!!!
and worse than this labels are the persons that but their stuff, attends their gigs and all the girls out there screaming "skazi, lick my enormous tits, they have acid in the nipple!" - you know what i mean??
i'm tired of all this bullcrap about is psytrance dead and all... and i dont want to harm psytones, the man who started the topic, because he is right about the labels... i want to harm those guys who buy chemical crew stuff!!! stick a bar ip their tiny buttholes and set them on fire!!!
and the thing is: Now, at least =at least= 23 of you guys will say: "shut up, you're no one" and "ok, why dont you kill yourself?"... before you post that kind of kinds, let me tell you this ---------------------------------------> i'm not a psytrance expert, i'm not one of those guys that attend parties since 1994, i wisch i was but i'm not... i listen and produce psytrance for 5 years tops, but i notest that psytrance nowadays is techno music - no intention to harm technoheads (in this forum we have to be careful with what we say... this is worst than censorship... you can't even say FUCK OFF when it's out of context...), but what i mean by techno, is that psytrance nowadays is music for the body, and not music for the mind, soul, ego, call it what you want...
well, now you can flame me, be my guests... who agrees with this strange offtopic more-than-discussed point of view, make a stand!!
let's save psytrance, for the sake of our children... and our childre's children, ok???
BOOM 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 05:15
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kArO
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 06:43
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aww.. i feel like hugging everybody here but first the laundry... |
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Colin OOOD
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 09:22
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Blame 1
The many many bedroom labels that release the same artists, same sound, same kilarghhh bassline without ever thinking about quality.
Blame 2
The many many wanabee artists who think one week behind the screen makes them kilarghhh and that it is all about getting released as fast as possible and sounding like their kilarghhh favorite star.
Blame 3
The party people that do not care about the quality of the music and variety as long as it got a kilarghhh KIK and Bass and is 150 bpm.
The people who do not care if they support the artists and download all the kilarghhhh music to fill their 300 GB hardrives. |
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lokus
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 09:39
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@trippyjohnny:
indeed 
- last possible solution
- trick music
- ambivalent records
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ps: y trance?
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 13:38
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Out of all these related threads.. All I can see is people degrading every sub-genre (that's what it's become these days) like forest,dark,morning,twilight etc etc. If I had the time I could compile evert single negative statement against all of the above. So if that's the case.. Where does that leave us? First off we're not happy with the music ARTISTS are making. So why shove your frustration to labels?
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