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Blame all the shit and frustration on the labels.
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Ott^
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 14:34
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It's all to do with the "democratisation" of music.
10 years ago, a decent home studio cost upwards of £10,000 to buy and years to learn. Only the most dedicated and passionate were able to release records.
These days, anyone with a £400 PC and a copy of Fruity Loops can release a trance tune on one of the many compilations that get put out each month.
These young aspiring artists accept that they won't get paid for their tunes and so a situation has arisen where there are now many labels who assume they won't have to pay any advances [and in a lot of cases, any royalties] and so there is little financial risk in releasing a compilation a month.
Trouble is, nobody is really buying. Wait a week or so and it'll show up on p2p - so download it and save yourself £10.
The upshot of all this is that you now have a million hobby labels with an endless supply of mediocre music, all competing for a non-existent market.
I'm not making any judgement with this - merely observing. I think it's wonderful that more people are making music than ever - any form of expression is to be encouraged.
But, the price you pay is in having to expend more energy searching out the artist who inspires you most and accepting the fact that those great artists who made those utterly amazing tunes back in the day, that made your neurons zap and spark, have probably been crowded out and have moved on to do something else.
The only other point that I would make is that when you find a style of music you have previously enjoyed is no longer to your taste - don't be afraid to move on. There is so much great art out there to be enjoyed and there is nothing to be lost by trying to experience every bit of it.
Better that than wasting your life sitting on the internet complaining that things aren't as good as they used to be.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 14:46
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The only other point that I would make is that when you find a style of music you have previously enjoyed is no longer to your taste - don't be afraid to move on. There is so much great art out there to be enjoyed and there is nothing to be lost by trying to experience every bit of it.
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Wise words indeed which i also mentioned in my post when i refered that many people who used to listen to trance left the scene and are now enjoying other kinds of music,same with producers and same with many label managers including myself since i rarely listen to any trance at home anymore.
So much good music out there.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 15:33
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Sonikironic--> Hahah, good words there.
Ott--> Hey, there are some people that still buy 
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Ott^
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 15:48
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On 2006-07-13 15:33, Pavel wrote:
Ott--> Hey, there are some people that still buy
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I'm sure there are. That's not the point I was making.
When I said "...nobody is buying" I meant not enough to support the number of labels and the number of releases.
Some are buying, many are not, but that doesn't matter because so many of the "artists" don't expect to get paid. They make music as a hobby and supply it for free for the pleasure of doing it and good luck to them.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 16:06
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On 2006-07-13 00:54, mist wrote:
ok, that last comment was a bit unjustified as well... but seriously, show me an artist, and i can show you an influence. EVERY artist has in some shape, form, or fashion, been influenced by another.
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Hahaha, you cannot even respect someone who doesn't like Ott's music? Goes to show what kind of person you are. Enough said.
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 19:06
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On 2006-07-13 14:34, Ott^ wrote:
Trouble is, nobody is really buying. Wait a week or so and it'll show up on p2p - so download it and save yourself £10.
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actually, it's worse... P2P are the last people who get it... The rippers upload it to a topsite (or pub, but pubs are getting rare these days), from there it gets FXP'd to topsites and pubs around the world, then it gets passed on to the newsgroups (via people who are in the newsgroups and on the topsites at the same time), and via the newsgroups it ends up in the p2p scene (again, via people who are at the same time on the newsgroups and in p2p)... But the actual date it was released illegally is most of the time before the date it gets released officially... And that's only possible with help from people who actually work for labels/distributors... |
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 19:12
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On 2006-07-13 00:54, mist wrote:
ok, that last comment was a bit unjustified as well... but seriously, show me an artist, and i can show you an influence. EVERY artist has in some shape, form, or fashion, been influenced by another.
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nobody is denying that, but a great artist combines his influences to create something that's recognisable (as in: "this song has to be from that artist"). A not great artist sounds so much like his influence(s) that u don't recognise the artist anymore (like talpa, when u play a talpa song everybody is saying "is this infected mushroom?", well, infected is the great artist, because they used they're influences to create a sound that's recognisable, and talpa got lost in his influences and isn't recognisable...)... i hope i didn't inslt talpa now because i actually do like his music |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 23:35
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What about closing shop, end this scene once and for all. I just hear the same ingratitude, same coments, same chit chat... Same inferences, same falacies, same bullshit. SOmething that started with very good intentions has turn into a predictable experience, art and experience. There are some exceptions to the rule, but that is it. Blame the labels, the cocky artists, the greed on free music, the low standards, the comsumption of fast food music, the vanity of many, the hedonism... It is so hard to find the good core, the "lets enjoy" and "lets be creative" crowd. All this prejudice, archetypal predetermined experiences... Please come out of the box, because the box in this scene is becoming smaller. There is so little originality and there is such a drive to define everything, catalog, regulate... It causes the experience to be short-visioned, stagnant and uncreative. Blame it on your fucking selves. |
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 00:32
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What about closing shop, end this scene once and for all. I just hear the same ingratitude, same coments, same chit chat... Same inferences, same falacies, same bullshit. SOmething that started with very good intentions has turn into a predictable experience, art and experience. There are some exceptions to the rule, but that is it. Blame the labels, the cocky artists, the greed on free music, the low standards, the comsumption of fast food music, the vanity of many, the hedonism... It is so hard to find the good core, the "lets enjoy" and "lets be creative" crowd. All this prejudice, archetypal predetermined experiences... Please come out of the box, because the box in this scene is becoming smaller. There is so little originality and there is such a drive to define everything, catalog, regulate... It causes the experience to be short-visioned, stagnant and uncreative. Blame it on your fucking selves.
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Starting with you then, you seem to know it all 
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shahar
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 00:51
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I totally agree with Ott's observations.
And about the flood of mediocre music- for me I see it as a very good time for good labels to make a break- if you manage to raise a flag of quality in the ocean of mediocre- you're gonna get a lot of attention. This requires patience, vision, some financial breath, hard work, honesty and love for the music.
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shahar
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 00:57
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And good taste in music, of course 
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 01:08
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On 2006-07-13 23:35, offthenutboom wrote:
What about closing shop, end this scene once and for all. I just hear the same ingratitude, same coments, same chit chat... Same inferences, same falacies, same bullshit. SOmething that started with very good intentions has turn into a predictable experience, art and experience. There are some exceptions to the rule, but that is it. Blame the labels, the cocky artists, the greed on free music, the low standards, the comsumption of fast food music, the vanity of many, the hedonism... It is so hard to find the good core, the "lets enjoy" and "lets be creative" crowd. All this prejudice, archetypal predetermined experiences... Please come out of the box, because the box in this scene is becoming smaller. There is so little originality and there is such a drive to define everything, catalog, regulate... It causes the experience to be short-visioned, stagnant and uncreative. Blame it on your fucking selves.
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Starting with you then, you seem to know it all
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True, I started already. I have done parties, I have DJed, I also started a label... I blame it on myself to have bad mouth the very ppl who created this scene. Said things like it is the labels fault. Like copycats... and this 8 year old rant. But know I know better. Now I choose what I want and I support the ppl who I believe and shut the pie hole about what I don't like, right? Maybe I am igno-rant. But please for once close the parlament and relax.
...and enjoy the party
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volvox box 2
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 14:26
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since every 16-10 year old can be artist and label owner today there is no point to discuss anythin. Chill out on the summer wind. |
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KINO OKO
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 15:31
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i like this topic very much! all of you are right actually.
but from my point of view all this scene is so primitive that i ask myslef from time to time is that ok personally for me to be active in this genre? or i would be happy to be in rock band or jazz or samba or funeral classic
this music is so primitive now, this is en explanation for thousand of your questions.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 15:54
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Actually the scene is not primitive,its AMATEUR
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