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Blame all the shit and frustration on the labels.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 21:05
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On 2006-07-18 20:13, Kitnam wrote:
labels fuck up the artists
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No serious label is fucking any artists at all my friend,and no serious artist is accepting getting fucked by any label out there and there are still many serious labels and artists out there even though not easy to spot them in this chaotic situation that exists in our days.
So the right thing for you to say is that unprofessional labels fuck the amateur artists and these two flood the scene and fuck the people,the music and the serious labels.
Like i said before,for every Twisted Records in our days there are 50 Spliff Music and for every Iboga Records there are 50 Kagdilla Records.
  Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jul 18, 2006 21:44
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detox, i thought real ironic postings dont need a smiley. 
seriously: amateur and unprofessionality... do you now what? i have seen many offices in different branches in my life. compared to the theoritcal economic knowledge of the university i can say that even some realy successfull companys work horrible unprofessional and amatuerish. and people "fuck up" each other in a different and higher level. and the cash flows.
the problem of the trancebusiness (haha, this word is even paradox) is that there is no one who is paying for listening music at home. internet makes it possible. the whole model with artist > label > customer has become absurd. what we see here is just the dramatic death of dying system.
labels ask me to release the music without advances.
hey its ok! i still wonder that someone is getting himself a cd. maybe he does it for show-off reasons (i have got the original) maybe for reasons of understanding (support what i like) and maybe because he is a real collector or a dj (i need the wav) but not for the music-file. there are 1000 ways to get the music faster, cheaper and easier compared to buy the cd. our little economic system has no fundament anymore and now we have the "chaos" of today. the most cool thing about that: artists start to change the scene and as we all now, our best ones!
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 01:20
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Detox,
We should have the unprofessional trancer police. Make it a felony punishable by 5000 Euros or 2 years in trance jail.
Kitnam You are right. I buy all my music because i want the original CD to play and I support what I believe, but with this type of threads I am just loosing any faith I had. Maybe that is the reason I am starting to put my money and effort elsewhere. |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 01:44
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There are many ones to blame, artists, labels, home listeners, internet, Bill Gates, Zinedine Zidane, we can all continue blaming and whining, or else we can start bringing some improvements and more "IBOGA" or "Twisted" cds to the markets. Finding a solution to deal with the internet is something that all should think on.
Good music->more releases->more gigs->more famous->even more gigs->great artist?
The most important thing here is the gig itself, not the small box with the cd here.
Have a nice day all!
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 04:07
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Sound Surgeon seems like you didnt read the whole thread from the beggining thats why what you are saying is way offtopic since the issue here is not the internet and the illegal downloads or how an artist can become famous by producing good music and getting more gigs.
The issue here is if labels are to be blamed for the bad development of the trance scene and the music itself and if yes then how they managed to do that. Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Pt.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 09:37
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I might bitch, but I am throwing stones in a glass house. Like Offthenutboom and Kitnam said, they love to collect originals for playing and collecting reasons. So I am living in a twisted paradox where I cry at one point, and suck at another point. Original albums is a small passion of mine. I spend a lot of money on this small passion, and so does a lot of other people. AND THATS GREAT! ..But at another point, I have absolutely no problem if you choose too download your music. We have both possibilities, and one should then be able too choose. So please, don’t make this into a DL Vs. Buy discussion. We're over it. And I think most accept the reality that it can't be stopped. I'm getting a tad broke. Better stop buying for a while and start DL. Jeezezh, it's been like 2 years since I DL my last free track.
And Detox, your right. It has a lot to do with the development, and how things get watered out. BUT it is also very much about how labels work against the ideals of the psychedelic mind and heart (which many people, like your self? Laugh of). Psychedelic evolutions/music (should) have nothing to do with and about money, and "this" scene should stand against it, even though it's not possible (realistic enough, but fantasies does come true - sometimes). Labels in that way disgust me. Makes me want to vomit. Their like small leaches sucking blood money off people to survive, too survive in a capitalistic world built by humans pretending to be adults while the truth is that we're still in the sandbox playing war. This scene is supposed to be better then that. Oh look who's talking. Your spending thousands on originals your self. How can you play a Holy cow you ask? .. I know. I’m a slut, a whore. And I like it. I should shoot my self. *bang*.
But hey! It's a tough world we're living in, so we all wish to survive.
Too bad survival means surrendering to the capitalistic values which is raping this world and anything in it.
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 14:26
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Sorry DETOX, you are right, i read the topic in the middle of the night and didnt understand it propertly.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 15:50
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Concerning the buy versus download thing like i have said in the past if each one of us would buy 2-3 cds a month then the whole market would be so much better.I am not expecting people to buy everything,thats not possible,but i expect them to buy what they really like and support their favorite artists and labels.
Now dear Psytones you mentioned something about psy trance scene and culture should have nothing to do with money.Being related with money is not bad,exploiting something for money is bad and this is where i am focusing when i accuse labels who just exploit the music for money.
I mean artists spend their time on making music and need money to buy new equipment and ofcourse money to survive,nothing wrong if a good artist sells his music in order to support himself and grow his studio,i dont think that someone can get rich after all inside this small scene apart maybe 5-10 artists out the hundreds out there.
And also there is nothing wrong if a good label releases good music for which it pays a serious ammount of money and in the end of the day this label might make a profit of a couple of thousand lets say.
Money is not bad,exploiting something is bad.
What is bad is establishing a label,exploiting young artists by releasing their music for free (even though you have promised them even a small fee which you never pay) and making money out of the music and these people,this is bad.Operating a serious label and making a small profit out of it,since you cant make serious money out of psy trance for sure,sounds very ok to my ears.
The problem in our days are people,artists,labels,party organisers who are into the scene for the money,even the few ones,that it can offer and unfortunately we got many people exploiting the whole thing.
So dont say that money is bad and that has no place among psy trance,say that bad and greedy people are bad
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KINO OKO
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 16:59
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seriously: amateur and unprofessionality... do you now what? the problem of the trancebusiness (haha, this word is even paradox) is that there is no one who is paying for listening music at home.
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thats intersting in fact. i would never pay more than 2 euro for trance album (there are some exceptions). honestly i see this music really cheap. it is VERY FUCKING HARD to find good musicians doing good in trance. we have millions of people trying to do music like something which is similar to primitive puzzles made of ready and already almost good sounding samples. its not hard task really. but they are not able to go further. unfortunately this "further" is most precious thing in music. what i see are tons of half/random sounds that man cannot remember longer than track helds. im bored with this music so much, i cant stand listen to it in car, home, very often at the party. its almost 4 years that im not listetnig to this music and i must say im happier. only thing i do is overwiev from time to time to find something intresting and fresh... and nothing worth of my attention comes as usual. listening to other genres is a fundamental base to be opened and create unique sound, for every genre of music. trance music is so closed and sterile. its hard to join genres, its hard to execute inspirations form classic, jazz, whatever else. its hard because you have to have knowledge more than skill to align this stupid puzzles on computer.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 17:03
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On 2006-07-19 15:50, DETOX wrote:
but i expect them to buy what they really like and support their favorite artists and labels.
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i think that even that is not possible to beeing expected anymore. about the people who want to make money with trancemusic for the money only: what a stupid vision. such people just show off that the have no idea about making money. the golden times are over, since many years. and many may many good people allready have left this scene or a still leaving. slowly but surely.
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Pt.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 17:04
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Well, when you turn it around like that. I'm defenceless.  I agree, of course. You should know how I operate by now. Even though you don't like it. About you, and Explode Records. Your label as I see it always release quality artists with quality psy. In it's own little genre, of course .. Now, I think you have so much pride (your Greek, so..) that people like you are GOOD for the scene. I don't think it is in your interest to butt-fuck anyone. You seem to care 1. about quality and 2. about profit. Which is nice. Blend those two, and you got a winner. On the other hand, I also think that you release what you think is "underground" acceptable. I don’t know your personal taste, but I bet you would never release a IE. Bubble track in your compilation. If this is because you have a taste that sais no, or if you have a quality aver brain, i don’t know. I remember my first chat with you Detox. A couple of years ago. I was heading for Greece, and you, as the person you are. Opened your arms and invited me for a "meeting". So please do not think that I am on a personal vendetta or something here. (phju, covering my back here) .. Anyway, I agree with you on most Detoxman. But I'm talking fantasy. A dream where (say 1000 years in the future) psychedelics has grown into our DNA (sort of speak) and the whole human race has peace at mind. We could finaly evolve into what we should be. Not these kindergarten bang bang kids. But young adults with peace at mind. (cheesy? Cheese is good on most parts of life) I strongly do believe that if we would one day accept psychedelics as a part of our culture (like alcohol), we would end up good. hehe, i know. I'm talking non sense. But still... Labels in psy-trance just do3esnt taste right. Twisted is excused. 
Sorry for my strange and childish thoughts DetoxBeatbox. :child:
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 17:05
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kino oko, i 100% agree with you. |
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 17:53
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On 2006-07-19 16:59, KINO OKO wrote:
we have millions of people trying to do music like something which is similar to primitive puzzles made of ready and already almost good sounding samples. its not hard task really. but they are not able to go further. unfortunately this "further" is most precious thing in music.
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AMEN.
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ND
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 17:57
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Nice topic, good points here.
Now let's go to promotional section and find this week's posted 134 releases with 76 new labels out of them, find the reason why they doing this & send them to fuck some wombats? 
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 18:34
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On 2006-07-12 18:17, psytones wrote:
Psykovsky? He’s like Ott, trying to keep it “hidden” secret/sacret and “real”.
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On 2006-07-12 20:23, chong wrote:
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On 2006-07-12 18:17, psytones wrote:
Psykovsky? He’s like Ott
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not even in dreams
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Way in dreams! You didn’t get my point at all. What did you do, compare their music? Only comperising (damn it! How do I spell this bending of the word compare?) I came with was that both of the mentioned artists keeps it sacred and secret. Non of them want glory and fame. They both try to stay in the shadow. If you don’t see my point, you don't. I hope someone sees it though. Because I have deep respect to both artists. And especially since they try to keep it mystical. You know? I hope you know.
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