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Blame all the shit and frustration on the labels.

Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 18:43
Psytones i know exactly what you mean.. i dont know much about psykovsky.. but Ott is a dude i have encounterd over here.. he seems to be down to earth and he provides facts...

i got respect for many artists... there are lots of them.. the problem is that the artists that think they are on mtv shine through with their ignorance....




Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 20, 2006 00:40
In anyway, it's just about music and personal taste in the end. If I think it's good it find its way to my hands and the label gets my money. If I think it sucks, well then nothing happens. I really don't care if artists keep it mystical or not. Outside the psyscene you have artists like Autechre who were very underground when they once started, but more and more people got to know them in the end. But it doesn't change the fact that they still do their thing and they still are good. In the psyscene we have artists like Son Kite, Flowjob, Antix etc. do they keep it mystical? Nope. In fact, they start to sound more and more like regular progressive trance acts. But in my eyes (ears more like) they're still good. So fuck mysticism. Good music is what counts.           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Jul 20, 2006 01:48
its the same phenomenon that hapens in all lucrative product !

fashion!

we all hate it and at the same time syuport it, dont blame the labels or the artists because they r just doing what or stupid human economics demand if they dont do this they just become extinct.

my advice is to listen what you like even it is for fashion, imitation, or whatever.
just accept the facts that all music is a fashion and as a fashion they go throu diferent ages of social acceptance (acceptance?)

so i think that we, that hate to hear the same sounds over and over again have to better focus in the sounds of the future because theres really no good or bad music its just "fashion"

lucidpicnic
Lucid Picnic

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Posted : Jul 30, 2006 14:40
to my mind,
its impossible to keep the authenticity of things while we are living in a capitalist sytstem.
even this phenomena turned into a commercial crap.           Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves

http://soundcloud.com/obliviongarden
http://www.myspace.com/letshaveapicnic
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucid-Picnic/159819784056784
dtmoney
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Posted : Jul 31, 2006 01:16
IMO, one thing is destroying the scene:

OVERSATURATION.

Think about it. WHy is it that most people who love psytrance, all of a sudden, pop up and want to become a producer. How many artists do we really need?

Seriously, I think there are more psytrance artists today than the total number of derived mathematical equations in the past 2000 years(and that is alot!).

Psytrance will soon die because oversaturation is killing it. Wow, it's like the video game crash of 1983 all over again.

Seriously, we don't need anymore people trying to become the next skazi or john flemming. There are other things that exist in the world. Hell become a pr0n star for all I care, but by all means, don't become a psy artist or a dj.

The sad part is that the only people who don't see this are psy people!
Dot Kite
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Posted : Jul 31, 2006 01:18
Quote:

On 2006-07-31 01:16, dtmoney wrote:
IMO, one thing is destroying the scene:

OVERSATURATION.

Think about it. WHy is it that most people who love psytrance, all of a sudden, pop up and want to become a producer. How many artists do we really need?

Seriously, I think there are more psytrance artists today than the total number of derived mathematical equations in the past 2000 years(and that is alot!).

Psytrance will soon die because oversaturation is killing it. Wow, it's like the video game crash of 1983 all over again.

Seriously, we don't need anymore people trying to become the next skazi or john flemming. There are other things that exist in the world. Hell become a pr0n star for all I care, but by all means, we don't need anymore psy artists and djs.

The sad part is that the only people who don't see this are psy people!




I can't but only to agree with you!

Regards
Tms
DETOX
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Posted : Jul 31, 2006 02:57
DTMONEY you missed one important point my friend.

The problem is not people who want to become psy trance artists,the problem is people who want to become psy trance artists but simply dont have the skills,talent,knowledge and equipment in order to do so.

Like i have said in the past,sometimes just good faith is not enough.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
x-control
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Posted : Jul 31, 2006 10:03
Quote:

On 2006-07-31 02:57, DETOX wrote:
DTMONEY you missed one important point my friend.

The problem is not people who want to become psy trance artists,the problem is people who want to become psy trance artists but simply dont have the skills,talent,knowledge and equipment in order to do so.

Like i have said in the past,sometimes just good faith is not enough.




YES!!! so true.
& biggest problem that those artists make mafia list in this forum & all of there friends write here that they are great & will kill all dance floor & etc....so those artists are really sure & belive that thier music is great           beat after... beat after...beat...
DETOX
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Posted : Jul 31, 2006 17:25
Quote:

On 2006-07-31 10:03, x-control wrote:
& biggest problem that those artists make mafia list in this forum & all of there friends write here that they are great & will kill all dance floor & etc....so those artists are really sure & belive that thier music is great.



So true indeed also.

Happy to see that many people are aware of whats going on           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
ZeRo
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Posted : Jul 31, 2006 20:26
come on people. . .do you really believe this?

HOw could more people creating art make the art bad? Cheaper more accessible equipment makes the art greater. A paintbrush and a set of paints only costs a couple of bucks and that does not diminish the greatness of monet or picasso. There will always be amateurs creating amateur products. Amateur product does not destroy a style of music. I will not spin crappy tracks in my sets and that is fine by me nor will I purchase music by amateur producers. And I dont really give a shit if labels decide to release mediocre -poor products. . .that is their own fault

Maybe if people stopped stealing (DUHHH) the talented producers would be more visibly separated from the mediocre ones so it would not be too difficult to fish for those pearls.           ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet.
dtmoney
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Posted : Aug 1, 2006 02:35
Quote:

On 2006-07-31 02:57, DETOX wrote:
DTMONEY you missed one important point my friend.

The problem is not people who want to become psy trance artists,the problem is people who want to become psy trance artists but simply dont have the skills,talent,knowledge and equipment in order to do so.

Like i have said in the past,sometimes just good faith is not enough.





And what does all of that lead to????


OVERSATURATION!

You're using circular reasoning my friend.

If a person doesn't have what you just described and he/she becomes a psy artist, doesn't that make the scene have more artists than what is necessarily needed???

What you just stated is just an example of the scene being oversaturated.
ben
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Posted : Aug 1, 2006 02:39
better technology makes the art worse... just look at movies nowadays, or psytrance...
as a whole it gets worse... of course there is still good music out there, but u gotta be pretty driven to find that these days in the psy scene....

another pb is people are too interested in serving their own interest (e.g own a label or produce)... when u add all these individual interests u get what we got today in the psy scene...
and add the easy access to producing... and downloading (but i think it's not the main pb)...
and voila....
offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 1, 2006 18:18
Quote:

On 2006-07-31 01:16, dtmoney wrote:
IMO, one thing is destroying the scene:

OVERSATURATION.

Think about it. WHy is it that most people who love psytrance, all of a sudden, pop up and want to become a producer. How many artists do we really need?

Seriously, I think there are more psytrance artists today than the total number of derived mathematical equations in the past 2000 years(and that is alot!).

Psytrance will soon die because oversaturation is killing it. Wow, it's like the video game crash of 1983 all over again.

Seriously, we don't need anymore people trying to become the next skazi or john flemming. There are other things that exist in the world. Hell become a pr0n star for all I care, but by all means, don't become a psy artist or a dj.

The sad part is that the only people who don't see this are psy people!



Stop. Think. The only mechanism of control is yourself. You filter the music you like right? There is @ most (and I am exagerating) 50 releases a month. More or less 450 tunes... 4 minute samples= 30 hours of listening a month. I know for a fact most of the music you will filter through names. You might click randomly on a few tracks of new labels, but one minute would be enough to get the sense of the style of the track and the comp. If interests you, you will listen to another track... @ the end you will listen all the tracks for about releases. That is 4.2 hours in a month... about an hour a week.

OK so an hour a week (IF THAT) to listen to the new music and keep current with your taste. There are other styles of music that are more demanding to keep up with releases.

Now I believe in everyone who constructs. I encourage ppl to produce or stablish a label. It is a great experience that will bring insight about the music business world, and the creative process. Also it will increase the perspective on the effort it takes to create or build anything you love or believe. Because I do not think anyone will spend about 3 to 5000 Euros to release a CD if they do not love or believe in what they do.

Also an artists will not spend hours creating track after track if they do not love what they do.

So all this criticism is IMHO bullshit. I think the real issue here is that many download the music. It is a pain to sort through all the unreleased music posted in the P2Ps by anyone... That is your problem... sorry.
DETOX
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Posted : Aug 1, 2006 18:57
During June there were 85 new releases featured in Saikosounds excluding the vinyls,dvds and some releases that never reached the shop simply because they probably dont buy from every distributor out there.Not to mention that some releases are double cds.

During July (which along with August are considered the worst months for a label to release a cd) there were 53 releases again excluding the vinyls and dvds and not taking into account that many of these cds are double ones and the fact that some releases dont get purchased by psyshop.

As you can see dear Offthenutboom we got AT LEAST 2 cd releases a day based on summer facts which is the lowest season for labels and with not taking into account all the facts that i mentioned before.

Sorry but this is an overflow of the scene and taking into account that in order to properly listen a cd you need half an hour (lets say that you skip half the tracks and that you fully listen the other half) then you need at least an hour a day in order to see what just got released.You said before that you can get an idea about a track in about 1-2 minutes sorry but this is a big mistake and this is a modern phenomenon that is actually also hurting the scene and the music judgement of people who just download all day and then dont have the time to properly listen what they downloaded so they 'check' a full release in just 5-10 minutes having one hand on the volume level and the other on the fast forward button,treating the music like this is at least a disgrace.

If you handle me the worst release ever i will need at least half an hour in order to proper LISTEN it and UNDERSTAND it and FEEL it and JUDGE it and then come up and say WHY this cd is really bad and makes me dislike it.

People lost their special relationship with music and they dont bother anymore in order to try and understand and feel what they are listening,they just download and copy or delete,this is the biggest blow this overflow has caused to the scene and the music itself.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 2, 2006 00:01
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On 2006-08-01 18:57, DETOX wrote:

People lost their special relationship with music and they dont bother anymore in order to try and understand and feel what they are listening,they just download and copy or delete,this is the biggest blow this overflow has caused to the scene and the music itself.




Wise words!

I totally agree with you

Regards
Tms
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