| Author
|
Bad Mixes !
|
obu
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
27
Posts :
403
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 11:31
|
playing 20-30 tracks in an hour is really not that hard (IMO) and I dont get why people are in such awe over that? How much of a story can you tell playing 20 tracks in an hour? What does that say about the tracks you play? You can play 25 tracks in an hour, but it will sound as if the set is going nowhere, a story can be accomplished with 8 tracks in an hour.
Ive never thought of djing psy trance as being more of a technical thing, I think of it more in terms of music, the power of the tracks you play, the influence of those tracks in your entire set. If you want technical skills there are djs that play 80 tracks in an hour with acapellas over that. Trance should be about the flow not about "omg he just played 31 tracks in 32 mins, wowowow".
As for bad mixes, I admit I shudder a bit when I hear a bad mix from a dj that atleast tries to beatmach and mix properly, but for djs that have been around a long time and have never claimed to be technical deck wizards, who cares? Their strenght is in the music and the story they can tell with each track.
|
|
|
GuyShanti
Aerospace
Started Topics :
112
Posts :
877
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 15:53
|
[/quote]
but for djs that have been around a long time and have never claimed to be technical deck wizards, who cares? Their strenght is in the music and the story they can tell with each track.
[/quote]
but what if the music sux too? what then? shall we still say " he is a great DJ" ? "he was very good" ? "he is this and that from whatever and give respect" ?
No!
I say "GET OFF THE STAGE U OLD F**K! You are hurting my ears and party time is too valuble to be wasted on bad music which is also mixed badly!".
Go learn a new skill - we trancers always say how much we r connected to new technology - well CDJs are not that new so I expect EVERYONE that DJs these days TO KNOW HOW TO USE THEM. Properly!
G
 http://www.myspace.com/aerospacemusic
Aerospace – Re Entry EP on beatport.com
https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/276014/Re%20Entry%20EP |
|
|
|
Surrender
IsraTrance Team
Started Topics :
506
Posts :
5388
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 15:58
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-04-22 21:44, raider wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2004-04-22 17:47, Surrender wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2004-04-22 11:58, raider wrote:
The best DJs I've heard, has been , Ari Linker |
|
Ari Linker? 
|
|
Alien Project...?
|
|
yes, i know that raider... and still i am from your choice, making me question if it wasnt some ingenious solution by him such as an pre-mixed cd 
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
http://myspace.com/gadimon |
|
|
|
GuyShanti
Aerospace
Started Topics :
112
Posts :
877
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 15:59
|
|
Madpup
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
21
Posts :
174
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 16:06
|
The whole 'tell the story with the dj set' for me is a bit of a mystery. What is a story for one person, is a bunch of barely listenable tracks to another.
And Obu, how can a set have flow if a dj does not beat mix? it bring me down time and time again if every 8 minutes there us a beatless transition to another track.
Also sometimes it really amazes me when i see a dj consistently train wreck every mix for the set and yet there are people on the dancefloor screaming 'yeah, awesome'.
This is something about a psy trance scene i can never understand. So many technically great djs who never get the chance to play and improve their ability to read the crowd and yet there is a bunch of technically hopeless djs playing the big parties. |
|
|
|
GuyShanti
Aerospace
Started Topics :
112
Posts :
877
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 16:17
|
|
Borris
IsraTrance Team
Started Topics :
45
Posts :
1581
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 17:14
|
Lepton, no he isn't he played Full on Techno.
Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
Progression Sessions of the 3rd Empire! |
|
|
|
duodenumz
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
15
Posts :
116
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 20:32
|
"Also sometimes it really amazes me when i see a dj consistently train wreck every mix for the set and yet there are people on the dancefloor screaming 'yeah, awesome'.
This is something about a psy trance scene i can never understand. So many technically great djs who never get the chance to play and improve their ability to read the crowd and yet there is a bunch of technically hopeless djs playing the big parties."
don't worry, it's the same in EVERY dance scene. it's really bad in progressive trance, because some of the big names let the track play out for 7 or 8 minutes, then do a quick awkward mix. with that much time to prepare, how can you not get bored waiting behind the decks??
i don't think being a veteran should allow you to mix poorly. if you are getting paid to play, YOU BETTER KNOW HOW TO MIX. if not, then you are just adding to the "psytrance as a business" problem, where names and not skills draw crowds. |
|
|
|
keebota
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
44
Posts :
343
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 21:24
|
hey guys...
i agree with guyshanti ..for example i heard alien project @voov 2003 and the mixing of him was good ..nothing to say against !!!
i heard many djs which mixes are very bad ...they dont know how to do a good beatmix ...they only fade trought the whole party ..
and its not important to mix 20-30 tracks per hour ...only important to know how to do a mix and when the right time is to bring to other tracks ...that it is not borning to stay on the dancefloor ...so on guys thats my opinion to this topic....nice greet bye tom
|
|
|
|
DJ Pelon(Inpsyde Media)
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
60
Posts :
525
Posted : Apr 25, 2004 01:04
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-04-13 17:14, Sputer wrote:
raja ram ?
well when i was in Nitzanim party in the summer he mixed very WELL.....
|
|
well, it must have been someone else, not Raja Ram. I was standing right above him during his set in the Oman 17 in Haifa few weeks ago, and the man simply do not mix !! he never even checks the bpm of the trax he plays in his set. hell, he doesn't even have his headphones on when he "mixes"... but all of it don't matter I geuss, the man is still a superstar dj in our scene... anyway, at least he didn't have any "trainwrecks" in his set 
Inpsyde Media - Trance Mission Worldwide
pelon@inpsyde-media.com
www.inpsyde-media.com
www.beatspace.com
contact@inpsyde-media.com |
|
|
|
guy cohen
IsraTrance Senior Member
Started Topics :
417
Posts :
2871
Posted : Apr 26, 2004 08:45
|
|
DJ Pelon , what u mean "Trainwrecks" ? |
|
|
|
GuyShanti
Aerospace
Started Topics :
112
Posts :
877
Posted : Apr 26, 2004 13:22
|
|
guy cohen
IsraTrance Senior Member
Started Topics :
417
Posts :
2871
Posted : Apr 26, 2004 14:19
|
10x for explaining this thing to me GuyShanti  |
|
|
|
dj jaimz
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
23
Posts :
115
Posted : Apr 27, 2004 03:18
|
20 psychedelic trance tracks in an hour?
That's about three minutes of each track. Or let's say it's five minutes, with two minutes mixing with the previous track, then another two minutes mixing with the next track...
I'm sorry, but that sounds appallingly bad to me. Most good psychedelic trance tracks have a real progression and construction, so that the artist develops a theme over the track and then evolves it into something. This for me is the essence of psychedelic trance, and if you're only playing half the track and most of that mixed with another track, you're completely missing the point.
Personally I play about 10 - 12 tracks an hour. |
|
|
|
spliffnik
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
53
Posts :
663
Posted : Apr 27, 2004 05:50
|
jaimz- I agree with ya if you did this all the time this is hard to get into a trance, but do you want to build up and come down on EVERY track? For me personally, there is a stage in my set where I like to build the energy by taking only the peak part of each track- sometimes the beginning of the track is boring depending on the timing! A DJ that plays just the track from the beginning to the end every time can be a bit boring for me, depending on the time of the day/night and other factors.
Usually for a part of my set I like to cue the track around 5 min or 4:30 left, and I don't thing this is too appalling
My two bits.
-bOOm-
spliffnik |
|
|
|
