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Christian
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 14:04
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A good examle!
Last weekend I played on a party (here in germany) together with Bim, MOS, Element and so on. I did the end from 10.30 - 16.00 and I can tell you it was fantastic. The people were totaly open for everykind of music and I could play a perfect mixture of deep trance, uk trance, tribal house, breakbeats and some wicked bootlegs. I promise you everbody had such a hugh fun. So it realy seams to be how open is the growd and is there enough variety in the line up.
Here in germany I can`t see any fights or conflicts between psytrance and progressive music (which means developed music).
It just boring to hear everywhere and everytime the same style of music and I think the most of the people here in germany think same as me. But I also made very good experienced when I went to other contrys like Mexico, Argentina, Swiss, Sweden or wherever - everywhere the people were happy about some different music and I never got bad vibes of any conflict between Full On and Progresive Music.
The first time i met this conflict was inside this forum. So come on guys - it`s all about music. Music is our life!!!
Don`t forget to be tolerant and if you don`t like the music of the dj it dosen`t mean it`s bad - it`s only not your style!
Hope for rehabilitation and get down to the ground!
peace
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 14:14
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Christian... did you notice that you didn't mention one full-on act in the party lineup? MOS is semi-full-on at times, but not really. It's easy to say people like diversity when they don't have the one style people mentioned as conflicting with the other to compare. It's like saying "peace happens after the enemy stops to exist". It may be true, but it's not what people meant.
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Christian
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 14:30
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Kaz did you notice that you wasn`t there and you don`t know which music for example Bim played (all the Astrix and Alien Projection stuff). About MOS they play quite hard and fast Psytrance not that Full on as you think but still full enough. So did I have mention something else???
And belive me I know what I`m talking about. A party without the perfect mixture of music is not a real party. It can be a good party but for this you have to find a whole growd which you can make happy with only one style. And you always have different tastes in a party. Because nobody is same.
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 14:34
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ooops, u kicked me Chris, i was about to ask kaz if he heard bim playing once, coze its worldwide known he is very israely sound lover in his sets, opposite to his label deals sometimes.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 14:38
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On 2003-09-21 13:52, Ron Lyner wrote:
thats why we have only-fullon parties...
cause all of the fullon lovers don't want anything to do with progressive trance.
most of them even don't know any progressive trance, they just know they hate it..
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This is one of the saddest thing I've read in those 5 pages..
They just know they hate it.. LOL and even not why ??
Just sad... and a pity..
The last post of ChrisTian (Be Blessed, Boy) is the situation I know.. (as living very close to both german and swizz boarders) That's why for me those crappy "fights" between genres are so strange !!
I would like to speak one day with a person like Ron Lyner described it... I'm curious to see that !
 I suppose it's even not possible to try to advice him/her on others genres electronic or not...
Back to the topic : spliting the Scene.. what an error... what a TERRIBLE mark of disrespect to what the pionneers of the Psychedelic Electronic Music have built... I used to consider this Music as a kind of synthesis of all others Electronic Musics, with the psychedelic touch into the bargain.... and just LOVED this mixture... it's all about harmony, mariages, recipes of rythms, soundz and influences, and now U would like to step back ??
Some people deal with (complain..) a concept of "fashion" with Full-On stuff....
... well, BE PATIENT then, as all fashions raise and then decline !!
Then the elitism of the so called 'proggy' side.... The people who think like that (I even saw written here that We were the Elite of Electronic Music) are just out of interest... and will loose themselves earlier or later...
A question to both "sides" : why do U go to parties, uuh ???
Is it to party ? have fun with other people ? enjoy positive vibrations ?? spread some smiles around ??
I think U just forgot even that... the reason-why of the Party .. just having bad thoughts like "awww I know from now that this Live act will be good, and that one will be just crap.."
CLOSE YOUR EYES ONCE !! don't watch the guy behind the tables, LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC...
Is that so difficult ?
Back to the roOts : the Vibration !
"Don't Split Me Just Dance Me" whispered me the Music last time I was on a Dance-floOr..
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planet_zohar
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 14:49
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well yah kaz i heard bim and it was far from a prog set. it was a mixture of all the styles together. but still a great set.
let's take a walk on the proogy side |
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Silent Scream
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 18:37
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"What I am getting at is that it's more than just the music. It's also attitude and the way we see things in life. The Full On/psy scene is still stuck in the somehow "neo" hippy mentality where it's cool to know how to say "Boom" and where it's all "Killer" and very cool to wear the same Space Tribe clothes as the other 5.000 people at the festival/party. It seem as if the scene is made up of way too many kids (15 +) that only go to the parties and listen to the music because it's cool these days. Another trend so to say !"
well
sorry i didnt had the power to read all the posts here so probably this was alredy said
but thats a VERY snobish thing to say
cauze in other words u only said
I listen to progressive
so im big im not 15 and i use only "high words"
oh and i forgot
i dress well too...
sorry but thats the only thing i undersatnd from your post..
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poison_inside
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 22:18
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Not fair. If the scene will be seperated I don`t know where I will be able to listen to KoxBox, Twisted artists, Synthetic Deedrah, some other artists who are grooving on the edge of styles...
I think better is seperate music from artists (dj) who make (play) tracks absolutly unidentifyable and 100% samiliar one to another... like what i don`t like in full on and sometimes in progressive scene...
Astrix. .. gms ... all the time the same stuff... no development in music only new sounds from their new insturments.. but the concept and architecture is absolutly the same...
That is waht i call commercial sound... so seperating commercial sound from non-commercial will give us much more interesting stuff .. but if non-commercial will be seperated it will die by the hungry death... and coomercial will die because of joining the MTV.
Wonna trade "Puff Daddy - gms RMX" ?
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karnaf
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 23:51
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On 2003-09-20 19:31, kaz wrote:
The problem is for people that are somewhere in the middle (like I am)...
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Same here. I like progressive and I like psy, if you split the trance, where would I be?
And how will you split us? We can change the site and forum, we can have parties that are only porg or psy, but it will not split us, it will just change the packaging 
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Inu
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 00:43
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There shouldn't be parties with the same music played for more than four hours.
This is for the drug-users, and kids who are just looking to dance and blow off some steam.
Sorry to be such a "snob" but I am a MUSIC lover, and wouldn't belong to any scene that would have me as a member
But play industrial, futurepop, minimal techno, melodic techno, deep house, rare groove, breaks, D&B, electro, chill, space rock, 1995 goa, prog psy trance and full on psy trance at a party, and you've got me for life...
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Inu
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 00:44
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P.S. The 80s rocked. Portion Control, Front 242 and raw experimentation.
tiger got to hunt,
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tiger got to sleep,
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alx
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 02:55
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well,nice topic...
guys,dont be like christians,catholics and orthodox,protestants or anything else there is,or muslims,sunits or siits,we are just listening to music
personally,im tech-progressive guy,but i can also have a good time with full on music,if my mood is ok...
maybe i m not even tech-progressive,i m just a ''give me good music'' guy
ofcourse psychedelic borned us, but we must look in front and try more experimental sounds...
one thing i dont like issome artists that make music only to make money,and they preffer full on and melody stuff because it s much more easier for the crowd to get into this,and take much lsd or other drugs some want to sell...
how many people buy spirallianz album,opsis album or midi miliz, and how many buy astral projection,gms,or infected mushroom?
i believe there is no need for separations,we just need all the kinds of music to be played in parties
i also believe that time will justify the newmovement of techno-minimal-progressive music,because its written to be like that,because its the new evolution in the religion called techno-shamanism,and because time wants us to become more alliens than we already are,and that will happen when we dance and give our minds more experimental,complicated,different sounds,NEW STUFF....
walk in front, be united, no chance for argues or separations...
just DANCE in the allien factory of Good and Holy Spirit,and the only enemy we have ,is the killers of nature,and the domestics of evil,war and money...BE UNITED...
p.s. an advice to full on brothers:''take the most minimal album you can find,midi miliz,delta,x-dream,opsis or something like that and try be patient and hear all from the beginning to the end.i know it will brake yr nerves but here's the tip...hear again and again...in 3rd time u listen u will discover whats in the back side and stop breaking yr nerves from continious minimality...that is because its more difficult for the brain to get into this new sound...then u start find the meaning of this genius music,the deep...
THE FACTORY MACHINES AND COMPUTERS MUST BE UPDATED!!!!!!!WE WAIT FOR YOU...
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nobody4
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 13:29
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Peace.
I think that all the proggies are bitching (sorry, for lack of better word) about this subject because most of the parties these days are full-on oriented. The majority of trance listeners create the face of the scene, (ein ma laasot) and its like that in every aspect of modern music.
A few remarks about the text above:
1. ALX - why dont proggy lovers try to do the same (take a full on album, listen to it again and again, 'force' yourself to remember how it felt like in the begining, the joy of uplifting moning tunes carrying the soul up to heaven...might be educational...)
2. I feel its true what u said about proggies being aloof and condesending to the rest of the scene, this 'u dont understand quality music, u only listend to simple Astrix tunes...' attitude - I was like that in 'Digital Drops' days, thank god I've grown out of it...
3. Seperation? 2 lands for 2 nations? and what will you do to proggies who want to go to Alien Project party? deny their entrance like you usualy do to Arsim? (another stupid seperation - arsim and beautiful ppl. everybody has the right to enjoy a party). This is rediculous, considering the scene is so small as it is, seperate it to sub generes and you will get 50 ppl parties all over.
4. Although I like the 'new' full on style these days (yes, I DO!, dont call me traitor P'n'P dudes and dudettes...), 4 hours set of similar israeli music will bore the hell our of me (true, most of it sounds the same, a good example is the latest Nu-Clear visions 2 CD - wicked tracks but as a concept it begins to bore after 4 trax). The same goes for 4 hours of pure progressive dark-danish-german style. Variation is the best IMO, and knowing to combine the two is for me the right way. I remember playing the latest F.on sets and combining some proggy (Ticon, HPW, P'n'P etc') in it ,and the ppl loved it. The right dosage is what counts. drowning the patient with too much of the same medicine never helps.
5 (and final)- gimmy 5 hours of groovy vocal chill-lounge-house and I'm satisfied...
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patrick
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 13:55
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imo the seperation already happened, to some extent at least. when i can see from a line up that i have to expect 10h straight full on im just not going to that kind of party... and vice versa with the full on guys.
a solution for me would be when djs would start to play more divers music in their sets. that means to include all styles of electronic music from techno to house, full on, progressive, minimal etc in one set. unfortunately i rarely see that happening...
and btw i dont think the proggies are bitching... there are more than enough parties which are not full on oriented.
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gkalpakas
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 15:03
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I have a problem of schizo personality,
I am too hippie boom shankar chakra thingy for progsters , as well as i am an arrogant elitist clubber for full-onists.
If you ask me there is good music medium music and bad music al the way from g.m.s. down to cass and slide, it is all about taste and mood.
do not forget one man's trash is another ones treasure.
In my perfect party there is room for everything from full on, progg ,minimal, funky tribal ,breaks e.t.c.
Actually i do not find much music so psychedelic anymore they are so predictable but still they make me dance if it is good.
Dj can experiment playing progg tunes pitched up in a full on set as prog djs can add some colour and dimension to their sets with some selected psy tunes.
The dance culture had the idea of unity but we seem to forget about it.
what piss me of is that most progsters forget that they used to be chillum smoking didgeridoo carrying chakra reading wannabe hippies until 98. hey people do not diss your past and your roots, it is disrespct to yourselves.....
as for the full on crowd they forget that they are hippies and hippies supposed to be open minded but they are stuck on stereotypes. |
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