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Wrong Drugs Changes The Way The Music Sounds ? .....or ?
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 14:30
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On 2005-08-23 13:44, Krell wrote:
@The Green Channel
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"if this scene was consuming real psychedelics like (Ayahuasca (DMT), LS-25 (drops), Pyote, Shrooms, Ibogaine, Soma, Lotus flowers (5meo DMT)) and many more), the level of musical innovation would reach new highs."
I disagree - Many artists do consume those drugs, as do many people in the scene. So your statement is fundamentally flawed since those drugs are being used.
Also, I very much believe you over emphasize drugs importance due to your own personal love for them. (they seem to be a BIG part of your life).
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"I hate Dark-PSY! IMHO opinion psychedelics go best with PSY-chill-out. The reason you need Dark-Psy when you consume LS-25 is because you consume a far too little amount (at LEAST two blotters at a time approx. 400 mics. Or two drops approx. 200 mics)."
I dont need dark psy when I consume psychedelics, I dont particularily wish for it either. As a matter of fact, my music taste doesnt change along with the drug I might be using.
I enjoy dark psy just as much sober, as I do on LSD, or any other drug for that matter.
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"I don’t even want to listen to such fast music when I consume Ls-25 and a thing like Ayahuasca is made for the twisted rec. style chill-out (so is Ls-25 btw)."
I think you are just stating your own personal taste in drugs here - However, you do state it as general fact... This could be perceived badly I think.
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"FUCK recreational drugs. They are destroying our scene."
If there is a scene that is worth keeping, it will take care of itself in one way or the other. There will always be people who will keep it alive... dont worry so much 
Kind Regards
Krell
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Hallo Krell, thank you for your answer, … Actually I think my initial explanation wasn’t sufficient.
IMHO it’s not so much the artists that define the general music direction (at present), but the crowd and the crowed today is much more interested in candy raving (with X, speed, cocaine and so fourth).
Let’s take Astrix for instance; he has created wonderful Psychedelic tracks like; “fourth revelation”, “beyond senses” and a couple more. Now it’s like he is teasing us psychedelic lovers with these tracks, showing us that he could be original and diverse. Instead he decides not be, because the average Astrix FAN is interested in hearing simplistic and formulistic music IMHO.
However if people where inducing REAL psychedelics they would not be interested in hearing the same concepts over and over again (Psychedelics RECONNET the way you think IMHO and that’s why they DEFINITETY change the way you perceive music). It’s not only the average E-user that isn’t bothered by the fact that same formulas are being used again and again. The pop-scene suffers or benefit from the same principles (it depends on how you look at it, if you don’t need to innovate, it’s much easier for the record companies just use the same formulas over again, it’s much cheaper  )…
So my main argument is that a lot of the artist nowadays define their style by what the average person in the crowd whishes (I’m not saying that this is not understandable (Money), it’s just destroys the vibe at parties and creates a lot of shitty music), if some of them where inducing REAL psychedelic, instead of candy Raver-substances, their musical taste would change and they would want innovative music in general.
I’m not saying that everyone should induce substances at parties, on the contrary in fact. I believe that the enthegens that I mentioned earlier are mostly for usage at HOME. At parties it’s quite often better being sober. …
I don’t know how familiar you are with Ayahuasca, but Ayahuasca and twisted music, go hand in hand, that why there is so much focus in Shpongle on DMT (Devine moments of truth or Terrence McKenna (DMT!!!) samples for instance).
I have stopped going to parties as you know Krell, so this bothers me quite a bit.
And I will repeat myself “fuck recreational drugs”…
p.s: I’m sorry if I forgot a IMHO in the earlier post.
Love my brother.
  "Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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Run Lola
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 16:00
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On 2004-10-27 00:22, Triptocoma wrote:
Krell - i really love reading about your thoughts and fragments from your life...
i would probably have a good time in your company..
very interesting... 
love is in the air
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yes i enjoyed reading Krell's post, I was reading it and trying to visualize every experience.. very nice
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Run Lola
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 16:10
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I live in a country where LSD and other psychedelics are practically inexistent, i enjoyed reading different opinions about this matter, it is still for me a very contraversial topic. no matter how i might be comfortable about drug consumption, deep inside i know that it is not a natural thing to do. i still very much doubt in it. why do people so much relate music to drug as if they only go together? |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 16:48
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On 2005-08-23 16:10, Run Lola wrote:
I live in a country where LSD and other psychedelics are practically inexistent, i enjoyed reading different opinions about this matter, it is still for me a very contraversial topic. no matter how i might be comfortable about drug consumption, deep inside i know that it is not a natural thing to do. i still very much doubt in it. why do people so much relate music to drug as if they only go together?
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Not according to Terrance McKenna and I believe in Terrance, he has never let me down (According to him Entheogens have been a part of the human diet long before civilization). Just because society imprints certain ideas into our head it does not mean that they are true. In the not so distanced past people where convinced the world was flat, for example. Did it make the world more flat that people where convinced that it was flat?
Love brothers and sisters.
"Love is a way of life"
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Krell
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 00:22
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@The Green Channel
I do understand what you are saying, but I still think you are over emphasizing the importance of drugs.
Also, it is by far not all artists who are guided in their musical creation by popular demand... Not by a long shot... Lots of artists do not even have an audience to whom they can present their music.
They will just make whatever sounds that please themselves
Music creation has become free, with software which you can steal and use for music creation (this is just a fact, I am not saying it is ok to steal).
People are different - I understand and enjoy the music just fine without drugs. What music I like, doesnt change because I use a certain substance.
Yes, the music would probably change if more people did Ayahuasca - perhaps it would change for the better regarding your personal taste, hard to be sure really.
However, the music would also change if everybody just stopped using drugs all together - Perhaps also for the better.
My point being, I dont think you, or anyone for that matter - can predict how drugs affect music in the long run - Whether it will be for good or for worse...
Its too complex for the human brain.
Kind Regards
Krell
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