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Wrong Drugs Changes The Way The Music Sounds ? .....or ?
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 14:36
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Psytones i am happy that we all have the same feelings in here it shows the simple truth just like tripin!
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 15:01
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Gutentag Fräulein Pointy 
Quote Pointy "don't get me wrong with the word "lenghthy", I didn't mean it in a negative way, I am enjoying this discussion."
Thats how it was understood and the pleasure is all mine
Quote Pointy "You are right, that the experiences you make on a psychedelic journey, are very different from person to person, you can't predict it in any way, unlike mdma, where you can be sure to feel good. "
Yes, MDMA is an "easy drug", very uncomlicated to enjoy for the user - However, you do have to put some thought behind MDMA usage if you want to enjoy it to its fullest extent. I think, if you put your health at risk by using drugs, youd better make it a special occassion That part of the MDMA experience does challenge the user... of course, you can just do MDMA and feel really good - or you can plan out some stuff to do whilst on the drug that will enhance it even further.
Before I did MDMA the first time, I was a very closed individual - MDMA has taught me to be more open and accepting towards people... That the nervousness I often feel when meeting people, isnt really nescessary.. Still, the change is not permanent - but as with LSD, I did get another perspective on life, and how you can live it.
Quote Pointy "You can't take LSD to become happy, it's yourself that has to be/create to be happy and LSD will make the experience enhanced and stronger.
So I meant superior and that way, that it is not cheating you, but is just opening up you senses for what is already there, or for what you create. "
I have myself, earlier in my life, often talked about LSD as being a superior drug - putting demands on the user, and that you really would have to be able to control and guide yourself to that place you want to be.
It did not affect my views on music, however, it has changed my views on the world we live in however. Like really cheesy stuff such as "all that matters is love, more love is the goal" - and that "death is just an illussion and we in fact live forever as long as we contribute to the world in a positive way".
Another thing that I find interesting has been the interaction between lucid dream states and a good dose of LSD, as far as visualizing day dreams go:-)
Those were some of the philosophic things... As far as music + psychedelic drugs go, I tried a blind folded trip on some local mushrooms + mdma with good quality headphones giving me as much sound pressure as if I was at a party... That was amazing, as I experienced both what we here call Fluffy and Twisted music could do for me in that state of mind (shivers going up thru my body slowly, combined with changing closed eye visuals whilst my body fellt warmer and warmer as the music would build up).
LSD cheats some people I think, whether you let a drug cheat you or not is up to your self, a healthy dose of skeptizism is needed when interpreting whatever new knowledge has been unlocked... and, my view in personal growth thru LSD is that often the same or more can be achieved by sports, parachuting, diving or any other extreme experience. Still, LSD is of course different - so for me, one thing doesnt exclude the other. However, I do feel I see a pattern of LSD "taking over" some non drug related possibilities for personal growth in other peoples lives.
Quote Pointy "Also I would like to mention, that I don't see psychedelics as a party drug mainly. You can use it for that, but imo you should make some experiences with these substances in a "safe" environment, with some friends, before you think of dropping an acid on a big party, where there is all sorts of different people and energies, which can easily confuse and irritate you. "
I prefer not to be on LSD at parties, actually, I prefer not to do any drugs at parties at all anymore - the atmosphere isnt pure enough hehehe. The exception is festivals, for now. I find I do not get a chance to fully explore the sensation at a party, I really need some time to myself to do so - kinda meditate on it, whilst listening to music... music in itself is always enough to make my mind wander, so thats what I do most of the time while tripping. Talking becomes very difficult for me, so I try not to do it, unless I have something really funny to say hehe.
Quote Pounty "Funny you are saying, that you don't trust your taste in music on LSD (you are really the only person I know feeling like that).
Have you ever heared the expression "acid test"? Never wondered where it came from?
The guy who invented it, used to drop acid, listen to the music and then review/rate it. He considered it the only way to really tell how good a track is and if it is psychedelic or not. "
Like I said, I think Im naturally twisted. I really do find the best tracks while Im sober, and in general people say I act weird in person also - I have tried comparing tracks (I give every track grades) and my taste in music is not changed by psychedelics, or mdma for that matter (but my judgement is affected, I might give a track a higher grade than it deserves).
I put a lot of effort and thought into this (grading) - I no longer arrange parties, I dont create music - the only thing that might be creative + positive for the music I love comes from the things I write on the internet + the sets I mix and compile for me and my friends to enjoy.
Since psytrance is an important part of my life, being able to objectively rate music pieces is very important to me. Im not saying this is what you HAVE to do, Im just saying this is what works for me
You could say, the "acid test" is performed once the mix I have compiled is played for my friends + myself - We do very small events with maybe 10 people at the most, then we do mdma, lsd, shrooms, hashish over a 15 hour trip.... During this trip I (and maybe some of my friends) will have recorded full on, progressive and chillout sets for us to enjoy whilst enjoying the view from a summerhouse overlooking a large lake here in Denmark. Its all very idyllic, backdrops, atmoshphere, music and a controlled use of substances....
I find that experience great, since I can enjoy the effects of the music with the others, discuss how brilliant certain artists are as well rate the overall effect of not only the tracks, but my own abilities to mix and present music pieces from the realm of electronic music.
*trying to look clever*
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 15:10
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To tohm ohm
Well, I can inform you that the people you see at the parties where the parvati/twisted style of music is being played here are definately not that much into the use of pills. It IS more lsd, shrooms and the likes.... (not all, but most)
Some of the music has been created to drive people on mdma or coke insane actually, so they wont come ! No shit ! hehe.. I always found that to be funny, however, the music just sounded bad and would make anyone leave, mdmaniacs, coke heads, tripheads or just sober people hehe.
Actually, the people who arrange those parties have also done stuff with Texas Faggot and that kind of finnish artists.
Theres not much to say else, they just love psychedelic and weird music... which is just fine with me, I like seeing people do what they want creatively.
However, you prove my point Its the people, and not the drugs.
*smiling*
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 00:22
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Krell - i really love reading about your thoughts and fragments from your life...
i would probably have a good time in your company..
very interesting... 
love is in the air 
laters
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 00:50
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To Triptocoma
I go way off topic, sorry about that
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 01:10
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I enjoyed it... so dont feel sorry m8!
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 01:32
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Krell .. Isnt this exactly what we have been missing lately? A friendly conversation with some different views. I shure thought the same thought as Triptocoma. It's nice to read about the good people of isratrance's thoughts and views And as i have said a couple of times before. I really enjoy the thoughts of Pointy the trippster She says what I think but cant write in the same good way, hehe. Peace love and unity my friends.. Dont think about the words, but the intentions
And one more thing Krell, if I where your boss, I would fire you.. Effektivitet man! Dont just sit and geek infront of the computer.  Og Bevar Christiania. Its a beautiful place.. Or used to be anyway, but I still love that place. *POFF*
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fonolobo
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 06:22
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i might even say that it is the psy that changes the drug. yep, if it were not for psy my trips would be a lot different, for sure man. |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:32
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Pointy wrote:
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"Also I would like to mention, that I don't see psychedelics as a party drug mainly. You can use it for that, but imo you should make some experiences with these substances in a "safe" environment, with some friends, before you think of dropping an acid on a big party, where there is all sorts of different people and energies, which can easily confuse and irritate you."
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words of wisdom my friends...once again by pointy
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Psypepper
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Posted : Oct 30, 2004 05:01
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You listened to music under PCP? The angelic dust transforms her into noise... =))) |
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acidonacid
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 06:44
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Differend drugs differends sounds I will say..
Open your mind... |
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The Green Channel
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Some people are going to hate me for writing this, but if this scene was consuming real psychedelics like (Ayahuasca (DMT), LS-25 (drops), Pyote, Shrooms, Ibogaine, Soma, Lotus flowers (5meo DMT)) and many more), the level of musical innovation would reach new highs.
I hate Dark-PSY! IMHO opinion psychedelics go best with PSY-chill-out. The reason you need Dark-Psy when you consume LS-25 is because you consume a far too little amount (at LEAST two blotters at a time approx. 400 mics. Or two drops approx. 200 mics).
I don’t even want to listen to such fast music when I consume Ls-25 and a thing like Ayahuasca is made for the twisted rec. style chill-out (so is Ls-25 btw).
FUCK recreational drugs. They are destroying our scene.
"Love is a way of life"
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Krell
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 13:44
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@The Green Channel
Quote The Green Channel
"if this scene was consuming real psychedelics like (Ayahuasca (DMT), LS-25 (drops), Pyote, Shrooms, Ibogaine, Soma, Lotus flowers (5meo DMT)) and many more), the level of musical innovation would reach new highs."
I disagree - Many artists do consume those drugs, as do many people in the scene. So your statement is fundamentally flawed since those drugs are being used.
Also, I very much believe you over emphasize drugs importance due to your own personal love for them. (they seem to be a BIG part of your life).
Quote The Green Channel
"I hate Dark-PSY! IMHO opinion psychedelics go best with PSY-chill-out. The reason you need Dark-Psy when you consume LS-25 is because you consume a far too little amount (at LEAST two blotters at a time approx. 400 mics. Or two drops approx. 200 mics)."
I dont need dark psy when I consume psychedelics, I dont particularily wish for it either. As a matter of fact, my music taste doesnt change along with the drug I might be using.
I enjoy dark psy just as much sober, as I do on LSD, or any other drug for that matter.
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"I don’t even want to listen to such fast music when I consume Ls-25 and a thing like Ayahuasca is made for the twisted rec. style chill-out (so is Ls-25 btw)."
I think you are just stating your own personal taste in drugs here - However, you do state it as general fact... This could be perceived badly I think.
Quote The Green Channel
"FUCK recreational drugs. They are destroying our scene."
If there is a scene that is worth keeping, it will take care of itself in one way or the other. There will always be people who will keep it alive... dont worry so much
Kind Regards
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TRapp
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 14:00
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i read a bit of this and it is sort of intersting...so for some of my input
i think it is sad that our scene is driven by drugs generally...i mean it in sense just shows how crap the music is(not all of it of course) if u have to be on drugs to enjoy it, if u have to be on drugs to think its pschodelic and or if you have to take drugs at a party to get the fullest out of the expierence, then the music is shit....
which is true to a certain extent, i have rarely been to a party where i can just get off at the music...which scares me , because for the music i like i often listen and enjoy to it sober most of the time
basically drugs just show how weak us humans have become in our own abilities of psychedelica , which is a shame....every night everyone of you dreams...there is no drug which can touch what you see and what goes on in your mind every night psychedelically....it is possible to reach those same states with out drugs and being concious, and i can assure you the rush you get is untouchable , i have hit a few meditative trance natural rushes, and the power in those are unnlike anything i have expierenced....
as far as drugs go....all man made ones are bad...gross creations
all other natural drugs are not treated with enough respect by the trance comunnity, all use and attitudes towards them have become perverted by the general public....
i personally like to listen to trance best when i am stoned only or having drunk loads of tequila....that works for me and makes it sound particularly hectic....its all releative and comes down to the user in the end i guess...
i am adiment tho that music should not be created under the influence of drugs....it is not you in your pureness when you create under the influence of outer substances....thats just my personal view.
if u can make it sound hectically psychedelic and amazing whiel you are sober....you can only imagine how hectic it is gona sound when you are on somthing.
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Drunken Monk
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 14:18
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Hey all...
After the reading of the topic.. i agree with what Krell said. If you like it sober then you will like it more on some drug. (for krell is mdma for me is lsd or shrooms for other it will be something else).
The Green Channel.. from your words i understand that this is your personal opinion. Dont try to generalise it. While i was reading i had a lot to say but Krell and Pointy covered me fully!
stay twisted! stay psychedelic! stay real! boom
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