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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 12:40
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Krell:
I do actually feel strongly that drugs are not that important to the music experience as stated here. I do however know, many people think otherwise.
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I guess I am one of these people.
As a matter of fact many people going on a party, or elsewhere, to listen to music and dance, consume some kind of drugs. Depending on what substance you use your "reality" alters in a different way. If there are lot's of people in one place, that have been taking e.g. mdma, then that radiates a certain energy and also people who haven't been taken anything, will "feel it in the air".
Also the way you experience music changes depending on which substances you use. It is true, Krell that drugs, like music, get experienced on a personal level, but still there are certain effects of a substance, that are not only personal. Show me the person who had a horrortrip, or got really agressive on mdma. Show me the person that get's really humble and relaxed on coke.
These altered states of reality have imo a strong effect on what kind of music you like to listen and dance to. If you are a producer, it will influence the style of music you make, as a DJ it will influence what you play and if you happen to not consume anything, then there is still the vibe and demands of the mass of people that does.
For me it is quite obvious, that the music has changed in the same way, as people have changed the substances they use.
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Krell
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I agree with everything you write, drugs do influence the music experience since they change ones perception of reality - I am not saying they dont, but I think the influence is being overstated in this topic as being all important in a way that there is wrong/right drugs and wrong/right music generally.
Since drugs are experienced, lets say first, on a personal level - it will affect people on a collective level as well - for instance 100 people on MDMA will talk a lot more than 100 people who are sober thus changing the atmosphere they reside in. There is no denying that, and also, similar things will occur at parties of course. Sort of a mental butterfly effect
Quote Pointy "These altered states of reality have imo a strong effect on what kind of music you like to listen and dance to. If you are a producer, it will influence the style of music you make, as a DJ it will influence what you play and if you happen to not consume anything, then there is still the vibe and demands of the mass of people that does. "
Then why do I like twisted music just as well sober as on LSD ?
I listened to psytrance for years before I started doing any kind of drug. It inspired me to DJ, to create parties, to dance and to find friends who were in love with the same music style
Of course, a drug experience is a powerfull thing, especially when done right. It will have meaning in your life, since its an extreme situation that you go thru, thus, it will change you.. In the end, it will affect your decision making an many aspects of your life, including music creation.
However, will the drugs cause you to create more or less twisted music ? I mean, LSD didnt change me that much really - that is, I didnt appreciate twisted music any more after my first trip than before.
The music I liked was still the same..... Good music, bad music, nothing changed for me.
I think, what it really comes down to is when you talk about the demands from the mass of people....
Heres my 50cents on that.... Good music is good music, whether your high or not... Music will in many cases be enhanced thru a perceptional change facilitated by drugs (depending on the person).. However, in the end, whether your sober or not, good music is still good music. Stuff that sounds really good sober will still sound really good when your tripping (for me anyway).
I think, the demands of the masses will be for music in general - but just that. Not more twisted or more fluffy music. I can only speak for myself, my music taste is exactly the same whether I be high or sober... I might react differently to music while high, but thats another story...
The reaction will add to the vibe of a party, but its only a small part of what goes into promoting certain kinds of music.
Thus I recognize its existence, but I still think it is being overstated Especially when put on the edge of being either right or wrong. Taste is only right or wrong on a personal level.
Quote "For me it is quite obvious, that the music has changed in the same way, as people have changed the substances they use. "
Music is a product of mans creativity, and mans creativity is a product of his mind+inspiration. So, Mind+Inspiration=Creativity and thus if you change anything in the mind of a man or give him inspiration, his creativity will be affected.
However, affected how is the question here? To be more twisted? Maybe, but not always Just different. Since drugs are experienced on a personal level, the creative effect of the drugs depend on the person doing them. (and who is to say that it is for the better ? Plenty of bad vibes originate from drug abuse.
Pointy I wonder what you would answer to the original post of Xazy ?
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Krell
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Pointy
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Hi Krell, I will start with your last question, concerning, what I would answer to Xazy's first post:
My thoughs when I read it were, that I mainly agree with him, but that the way he puts his thoughts, the words he chooses to do so, were not the ones I would choose and that he probably has a little difficulties expressing himself english.
From my experience with different substances, I can say, that it very much influences my taste of music. I have been dancing to music on mdma, which I find super fluffy&cheesy and doesn't get me move when I am sober. Also I have been enjoying music on coke, which then I thought was really cool and groovy, which I find completely boring, when I am sober (that's one reason why I stopped taking these drugs, I don't want to cheat myself). I agree that music that sounds great when under the influence of psychedelica will also sound great, when sober.
You say, that your psychedelic experiences didn't make you "appreciate twisted music any more", I can only accept that, but I must tell you, that from what I know you are an exception here. The people I know and have spoken to all say, that they could "understand" the music much better after they made experiences with psychedelic drugs.
I also don't like the words "right&wrong" and "better&worse" in this context, but I think I can understand why people are using them.
Xazy wrote "the psychedelic trance scene". He is talking about a scene which is supposed to be psychedelic, but he has noticed, that people nowadays don't use so much psychedelics, but other substances. These other substances he calls "wrong", because they are not psychedelic and therefore have nothing to do with a psychedelic scene, but on the contrary are counterproductive.
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First of all i would like to say that Pointy always seem to blow my mind with her ability to express her self.
You write like a beautiful mind Pointy 
And second, i agree with Xazy. I understood his intentions when i read his post. Its just that some of you "anidruggers" only focused on the drug part and not his "message".
Of cource lots of music are "controlled/influenced" buy the drugs that the producers consumed!
In the old days, Pink Floyd made psychedelic rock. Dont tell me that Syd Barett took mdma everyday? And look at Beatles. Before psychedelic substance use. They where a "straight" band with "straight" music. After they tripped, what happend to their music?  I know that my examples are not the best ones. But my point is that drug use often reflects in the music of the producer. Of cource this is not a universal law.
Now a days, many straight producers are inspired by other producers that acctuly has used psychedelic substances. But as i have said before. I belive that psychedelic music origined from psychedelic drug use.
Now, hit me or kill me.. Free your minds
btw. Can i mention that my favourite rock star, Marilyn Manson is a huge drug consumer. And he dislikes both psychedelic drugs and hasj/marjiuana. And clearly, you cant say that Mansons music goes well with LSD or mushrooms? It goes with Amph and coke right? mmmm.. talking to much about drugs now.. *POFF*
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Hej psytones, thanx for the compliment, I am happy to hear that I make sense to some people.
And I think with PinkFloyd and Marilyn Manson you bring quite neat examples how music making/performing is influenced by different substances being consumed.
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Krell
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Yeah, I believe you would put it differently than Xazy did I also partially agreed with xazy as I wrote in my first reply.
Quote Krell "maybe, drugs like LSD could be said to favour really weird and truely psychedelic music(Grapes of Wrath, Kindzadza, Digital Talk), while MDMA would do the same for more standard full on (sillicon sound, sub 6, astrix). (this is like saying, a certain red wine goes well with cheese). "
Quote Pointy "(that's one reason why I stopped taking these drugs, I don't want to cheat myself)"
Agreed. I feel that if I have to do drugs, in order to understand or enjoy music Im crossing a line. Its a fact, that people would be perfectly happy to be emerged in a tank full of dog shit if only they had consumed the right drugs... So you cant really trust your taste while you are on drugs. Exploring this branch of thinking might lead us to become some kind of puritists who are against drug use all together hehe Ill just stick to a couple of rules, like yourself. I use MDMA, but mostly if Im listening to music Ive mixed myself - and mayyyyyybe at a festival (but thats just once or twice a year).
I dont like the feeling of being fooled into dancing to music I would normally not like, even though I dance, I do not get the experience I wanted - since what I wanted was good music enhanced by mdma to create a supreme experience. (I will just end up getting the same experience I would have gotten from dancing to better music while not being on drugs).
Quote Pointy "You say, that your psychedelic experiences didn't make you "appreciate twisted music any more", I can only accept that, but I must tell you, that from what I know you are an exception here. The people I know and have spoken to all say, that they could "understand" the music much better after they made experiences with psychedelic drugs."
Ive heard that version a lot too - Actually Ive also heard it concerning progressive trance(not that psychedelic), i.e. a friend of mine really opened up to Progressive Trance while tripping on LSD. I question the validity of it actually. However, I guess people know best themselves what influence them
For sure, I think a lot of people suddenly understand Trance music better when they do MDMA, but then, a lot of them would not want to go to Trance events if it wasnt for the MDMA (or that is my general understanding of it).
So, they are also cheating themselves ? I mean, I agree with you very much that you shouldnt listen to music you only understand thru drug use.
1.: You do MDMA and suddenly you understand a melodic/cheesy Protoculture track much better?
2.: You do LSD and suddenly you understand a psychedelic/dark Grapes of Wrath track much better?
Isnt it the same thing ? Is the change from doing LSD more permanent than the one from MDMA ? Not for everyone Im sure.
I myself did not achieve anything mind altering (permanently) from LSD, however, I actually did from MDMA. Though, MDMA might have been "right" for me if that was the purpose, LSD wasnt.
Before I started tripping on LSD, I was already appreciating the more psychedelic music out there. I think, given time, many other people would as well, without the use of drugs.
I think there are other ways to learn about the joys of psychedelia than to do a psychedelic drug. As far as Im concerned, its a natural state of mind. Albeit, more extreme and pronounced when your on a psychedelic drug.
HEhe, I was just reading the sentence where you wrote you have been dancing to music you dont really like when your on MDMA or Coke... Im thinking the same thing concerning alcohol, if Im drunk enough, I would probably dance to just about anything since I wouldnt really care about the music at all hehe.
I will not accept the idea of LSD being a supreme shortcut to a magical fountain of artistical inspiration. If someone say they were inspired by LSD to do a certain piece, fine However, I think there are many more sources of inspiration in our world, which inspire far more than LSD does.
Extreme experiences, inspire - LSD is an extreme experience. Thus, it inspires. To think that its the major source of inspiration concerning Psychedelic Trance, is a dillussion, wishfull thinking in my eyes. Perhaps for some users, part of the justification they have as to why they are using the drug in the first place. (very very generally speaking - since its also very different from person to person)
Quote Pointy ""Xazy wrote "the psychedelic trance scene". He is talking about a scene which is supposed to be psychedelic, but he has noticed, that people nowadays don't use so much psychedelics, but other substances. These other substances he calls "wrong", because they are not psychedelic and therefore have nothing to do with a psychedelic scene, but on the contrary are counterproductive.""
Definition is limitation You are correct nevertheless, he was talking about a scene where things are supposed to be psychedelic - but, if a party doesnt feature psychedelic trance its because of the organisers not labelling the event correctly. I dont find MDMA to be psychedelically counterproductive, as far as Cocaine and Amphetamines go, I dont use them, they do not appeal to me. I think Psychedelic Trance is about entering a trance state with a psychedelic twist to it, drugs are not needed and therefore not important.
It is the music, and not the drugs which should induce the psychedelia - Sure, you can go to a Britney Spears concert and have more of a psychedelic experience on LSD, than you would achieve by going to a so-called psytrance party sober if the music isnt psychedelic at all.
However, I do not think drugs are to blame - its the people for not understanding the music and labelling the party wrong - In the end, its up to the people who support those parties to point that out to the organizer and if nescessary boycot the parties if its that important to them
Also, Psychedelic Trance has been twisted into so many subgenres as its sister term Goa Trance has been, that I really do not think it should be used anymore. At least, if you want to make yourself understood, in order to have a meaningfull conversation about it, youll need to add other words "dark" "fucked up" "weird" "wacko" "soft" "melodic" "funky" "groovy"... Its becoming far too damn academic if you ask me
To Xazy
After debating this with Pointy I have come to a conclusion - I think drugs are more related to people, than music. If people want really psychedelic things to happen inside and around them + have a taste of truely psychedelic/twisted music they will create that experience for themselves.
Since those people are already into really psychedelic things, it would be a natural thing for them to do LSD, Shrooms and such. Therefore, you will get a party where people do mainly LSD(and simliar psychedelic drugs) while listening to truely psychedelic music.
My point being, people create the music and the event - Not the drugs. Even though the drugs do influence things, people have already booked the DJs and selected the style for the party without drugs having been involved.
I think, many organizers will create an event that reflect their own tastes in music - often they are a part of the lineup themselves.
If fluffy music is what you hear the most of, I suggest you choose the simple answer which is, it is simply more popular Not because of drugs, but because of peoples music tastes. Some people might open up to twisted music because of LSD, but its not THAT important.
What remains, is the core of psychedelic trance centered around the LSD experience, or is it really more than that ? I can only speak for myself - but for me, LSD is just something Id use to spice things up... and tripping on LSD is not something I do as often as I listen to truely twisted/psychedelic music. Like adding salt to a soup... On its own, the soup is fine, with salt its better:-)
*back hurting, must subdue urge to write a whole novel* hehe
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hehe, yhea. That was a long thread. But i read it all  . MMmm... i dont wanna mention 2 things. (short)
1. Krell wrote: people would be perfectly happy to be emerged in a tank full of dog shit if only they had consumed the right drugs... So you cant really trust your taste while you are on drugs.
hmmm... what?! Naaa.. I never cheat my self. I always trust my taste with or without drugs And yhea, alcahol is one substabce that makes me dance to music i dont like.
2. You didnt even quote me once in your novel  
hehe.. krell.. peace man. it seems that we are all good hearted people. and thats the important thing imho
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Krell
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To Psytones
" First of all i would like to say that Pointy always seem to blow my mind with her ability to express her self.
You write like a beautiful mind Pointy"
Agreed
"Of cource lots of music are "controlled/influenced" buy the drugs that the producers consumed!
In the old days, Pink Floyd made psychedelic rock. Dont tell me that Syd Barett took mdma everyday? And look at Beatles. Before psychedelic substance use. They where a "straight" band with "straight" music. After they tripped, what happend to their music? "
We should really dig up an interview with them right about now, or maybe ask some of them ? Since we really cannot know. I think, artists get inspired far more from each other and the world around them rather than from the drugs they use.
The catch, of course, is that drugs change their perception of the world around them, and therefore might open them up more to what the world is telling them?
I dont know, but when Im on LSD i tend to open up alot due to what is happening around me, for instance, if somebody gives me a scare I get a far greater shock than what I would usually experience.
Also, I think that we as a people became more free around the 1950ies and 60ies... We had been thru 2 World Wars and a third all destroying one seemed to be in the cards for the future. I remember people protesting nuclear arms when I was a child, those were powerfull influences - it was a time where change had become a nescessity. (my point being, there are many influences other than drugs, though psychedelic drugs play a role, I think it is over rated IMO:-)
"I know that my examples are not the best ones. But my point is that drug use often reflects in the music of the producer. Of cource this is not a universal law."
Examples were just fine and they underline your point very well.
"Now a days, many straight producers are inspired by other producers that acctuly has used psychedelic substances. But as i have said before. I belive that psychedelic music origined from psychedelic drug use."
I hope we are not going to far off topic, but why do you think that ? I have thought about how primitive humans would gather things like snails, worms and all sorts of plants and use them for food - for sure, they would come across some funky mushrooms at some time Still, I think psychedelic music and thought is natural for us humans. For instance, take a person that is autistic(or has other mental illness), who will sit and create noises on their own - I find them pretty psychedelic at times, reminds me a bit of texas faggot tunes actually. There you have it, psychedelic music, without drugs
"Now, hit me or kill me.. Free your minds"
Can I get a third option ?
"btw. Can i mention that my favourite rock star, Marilyn Manson is a huge drug consumer. And he dislikes both psychedelic drugs and hasj/marjiuana. And clearly, you cant say that Mansons music goes well with LSD or mushrooms? It goes with Amph and coke right? mmmm.. talking to much about drugs now.. *POFF* "
Well, actually - I think that a good artist is able to create music that is very close to his/hers state of mind. Then its up to the artist how well that objective is achieved. A skilled artist, who is often under the influence of a certain drug will very likely have his/hers state of mind interlocked with the effects of that drug, thus, the music is affected.
If a person does LSD, then that person has already taken a decision to explore the extremes of the mind. If a person does any drug, they have already prooved willing to cross the line of whether or not to self medicate themselves in order to achieve more extreme experiences. As such, they have 1 thing in common, which is their willingness to explore boundaries and break them... I think this is a character trait, that will make them create music which is different and in marilyn mansons case more extreme. In some cases, it will also drive people to live outside the norms of society, which I also think Mr Manson is very skilled at visualizing.
Now, I think that it is more the personality traits regarding the willingness to go to the extremes that will influence the music, rather than the drug experiences they have explored... (though the drug experiences do matter - as you wrote)
*cant feel my back anymore*
Krell
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Krell
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To Psytone Pt 2
Quote Psytones "hmmm... what?! Naaa.. I never cheat my self. I always trust my taste with or without drugs And yhea, alcahol is one substabce that makes me dance to music i dont like. "
I feel confident that I can tell good music from bad music also when Im on drugs - Still, there is some doubt in my mind. I do not trust myself fully, and I trust others even less.
Usually people just say "Yaaaa, killer party, killer music, killer people, killer vibe, killer sound" and I dont know what to think. Its like when I read product reviews, I only look for the bad things hehehe
Quote Psytones "2. You didnt even quote me once in your novel "
That was because I was writing a novel especially for you at the time. lol.
Quote Psytones "hehe.. krell.. peace man. it seems that we are all good hearted people. and thats the important thing imho "
Yes, indeed - couldnt agree more.
*smiles*
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hehehhee... krell. I like you. Thanks for dedicating a novel to me as well. *very happy* 
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Thanks Krell for your lenghthy replies. Espescially that you pointed out, that styles of music of course not only get influenced by the drugs people are using, but also by the time and place they live in (I never wanted to deny that fact, just didn't mention it in this context).
I hope your back is feeling better again, that you found yourself a more comfortable position by now and are not reading this before tomorrow.
Sweet, seems we basically agree with eachothers.
One little thing left to discuss..... 
You wrote: "So you can't really trust your taste while you are on drugs"
I do trust my taste when I am on psychedelics, that's what I think makes them ...yes, some kind of "superior" to other drugs.... now I might get hammered.
Enough for me today....
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Psychedelic music should psychedelic enough so you wont need any drugs to trip..
That why you need tons of shit to reach the same level when listening to fluffy tunes
Some tunes just dont have that touch of mental creation...
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Fully agree with you !!
And Pointy smashing way of putting it, and yes sometimes i do find difficulty expressing myself english, but it's great that most of you has understood my point and I am glad that you too psytones, your name sys it all !!!
As I mentioned earlyer I am 46 years old music producer and been around psychedelic music for many years since early Pink Floyed when Sid Barrett has still not lost it on ACID, of coarse I was not suggesting to people to take drugs! but if we get real everyone knows what goes round in such parties !
So from what I gather, most of you here agree with me too !!
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These altered states of reality have imo a strong effect on what kind of music you like to listen and dance to. If you are a producer, it will influence the style of music you make, as a DJ it will influence what you play and if you happen to not consume anything, then there is still the vibe and demands of the mass of people that does.
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Totaly agree !!!
I have been producing music for many years and I must say that yes ACID gave me a different prospective on how to express my self into music, and of coarse my music was always underground not played to the mass of people, automaticaly music was played to peolpe in the same wave lenght as me, which these kind of crowds did not containe 1000s of people, who would undesrtand such music if not those who had their visits into other dimentions, i have great musicians friends from back then that the music for them was a lot of gibrish of coarse they could not relate to it.
Like what Ganjagil said that 'since all the times there was music and drugs related like let's take some examples - Reggae = Ganja, Techno = Extasy, Trance = LSD, House = Cocaine and bla bla'
Now we all know that along side our dance music scene of psy trance there are generes of dance music house music etc Extasy Cocaine mdma,
Since our parties has gone from underground to overground more people from other scenes of dance music by the masses of peolpe were joining these festivals (nothing wrong) but of coarse along them they brought also their drugs (Extasy Cocaine mdma),
So new music made new producers of coarse they realy enjoyed their new music, so home they went writting their new music psy trance of coarse we all know their drugs influence, so going back to our point quoting also Pointy 'For me it is quite obvious, that the music has changed in the same way, as people have changed the substances they use.'
Ganjagil here is what means FLUFFY, Of coarse thats why it's called fluffy since coming from different softer type of music and drugs related and as many of you mention like sillicon sound, sub 6, astrix,Star-X, Atomic Pulse etc... and i have heard you many times ganjagil mention about commercial music that is distroying the scene now these sounds are yes cause we all believe that psychedelic trance is about twisted music with weired sounds something that we don't find in these names !!! nothing personal or bad productions but surely not psychedelic!!!
and so it's easy listinig music less twisted less sounds more commercial more housy and mdma and xtc related infact it sells more then any other twisted psychedelic music
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Xazy wrote "the psychedelic trance scene". He is talking about a scene which is supposed to be psychedelic, but he has noticed, that people nowadays don't use so much psychedelics, but other substances. These other substances he calls "wrong", because they are not psychedelic and therefore have nothing to do with a psychedelic scene, but on the contrary are counterproductive.
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One thing that gangagil and xazy have brought up, that i dont quite understand is the issue of commercial music. To me commercial music is stuff like Britany Spears, Linkin Park etc. Even with most of the generic full-on stuff these days, majority of producers are not making a great deal of money out of it and would surely hold other jobs to make a living. So how is the music that they are making commercial? Same with House music, of course there is very commercial disco-house music out there, but most of the house music that is played in more underground clubs is far from commercial, i somehow doubt that people who wrote those tracks make much money from them, or even write the tracks with the thought of making large amounts of money.
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all the posts on this thread hve gone too big to read
forget it...am back to dancing
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Ganjagil here is what means FLUFFY, Of coarse thats why it's called fluffy since coming from different softer type of music and drugs related and as many of you mention like sillicon sound, sub 6, astrix,Star-X, Atomic Pulse etc... and i have heard you many times ganjagil mention about commercial music that is distroying the scene now these sounds are yes cause we all believe that psychedelic trance is about twisted music with weired sounds something that we don't find in these names !!! nothing personal or bad productions but surely not psychedelic!!!
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Sorry Xazy i totally disagree with you because the psychedelic scene is made up of night music and morning music...Now night music is what you will call psychedelic which is twisted and tripy and exactly right for the night time then after that comes the morning part happy feeling great groove feeling good crying with inner happiness alltogether it's a whole trip! It's the trance culture, now i know you are 46 years old and you make music for many years and maybe you look at me as beginner but i am sure that some people will think like this at least i am just voicing my idea of what Trance culture is about and basically i beleive its about inner feelings to come out through the music...
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