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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 09:05
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On 2004-10-26 00:14, Xazy wrote:
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On 2004-10-24 15:44, ritm wrote:
Ganjagil here is what means FLUFFY, Of coarse thats why it's called fluffy since coming from different softer type of music and drugs related and as many of you mention like sillicon sound, sub 6, astrix,Star-X, Atomic Pulse etc... and i have heard you many times ganjagil mention about commercial music that is distroying the scene now these sounds are yes cause we all believe that psychedelic trance is about twisted music with weired sounds something that we don't find in these names !!! nothing personal or bad productions but surely not psychedelic!!!
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Sorry Xazy i totally disagree with you because the psychedelic scene is made up of night music and morning music...Now night music is what you will call psychedelic which is twisted and tripy and exactly right for the night time then after that comes the morning part happy feeling great groove feeling good crying with inner happiness (this is what you call the fluffy stuff)alltogether it's a whole trip! It's the trance culture, now i know you are 46 years old and you make music for many years and maybe you look at me as beginner but i am sure that some people will think like this at least i am just voicing my idea of what Trance culture is about and basically i beleive its about inner feelings to come out through the music a togetherness not just twisted...
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:33
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Hi Pointy
Hehe yeah, I like to write plenty of stuff  I usually seem to think things thru more thouroughly while writing them down, so it seems that I learn something in the process of doing so.
My back is feeling all right again hehe, Im at work, we have comfy chairs here weeeeeee:-)
Quote Pointy "I do trust my taste when I am on psychedelics, that's what I think makes them ...yes, some kind of "superior" to other drugs.... now I might get hammered. "
Its also on a personal basis, however, I do consider it a general rule - a rule with exceptions of course. I am writing "on drugs" and not "psychedelics" - I do feel that a drug like MDMA has a tendency to blind peoples abiblity to recognize negative aspects of music, or you could say you become less critical of just about anything. LSD confuses me, and I must say, I have been completely unable to understand ANY music in at least one of my LSD trips....
I am not going to hammer you because you like LSD for not clouding your judgement concerning the quality of music... LSD has a different effect from person to person, when I do LSD I actually feel very anxious, basicly, it has the opposite effect on me in those regards than MDMA. Probably this is because of some chemistry in my brain, or so I think (Like I said, I have always understood twisted music, I think I am a naturally twisted person actually lol)
Hehe, I have been hammering MDMA a lot in my time for crowding peoples judgement, rendering them overly positive to just about anything... Id often feel like talking to a brick wall when I wanted to point out to the mdmaniacs "the music isnt that great" "the sound system sucks" or "they let in faaaar to many people at this event" - People would always be like "killllllllllar party dude!!!" ehhe.
Luckily, for the most part, music has been great in my town, both regarding real psychedelic music and progressive since we have both Parvati Records and Creamcrop based where I live.
A superior drug ? Well, superior to other drugs in some regards for sure - Depends on what the purpose of using the drug is. The right tool for the right job Also, your LSD experience probably differs from mine Im guessing - LSD can often render me completely unable to talk or react, the feelings I feel get really mixed up - Like, if Im proud of something I will feel an urge to laugh, that also goes if someone else is proud of something. Its hard to describe really... Still, I do it every now and then, since it is simply awesome to experience the change in perception / the other perspective on reality.
I dont trust my own music taste on LSD at all, on mdma I have more control of my thoughts - but still, Id rather not rate music in that state. I spend a lot of time rating music, finding good tracks for creating mixes I listen to while tripping. Its important to me the music sounds really good while Im sober, because I know I will love it even more when Im under the influence of a given drug. Because of the mass of music I analyze this way, I often only listen to a track 2-3 times before I will "use" it, for me, that is not that much - therefore my ability to objectively rate it is very important to me.
Ahhh - Better control myself I think thats enough of an answer hehe
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:42
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To Xazy
I started listening to Goa Trance / Psychedelic Trance around 1994/95 - I had been into other genres of electronic music before that.
I can say, for certain, that "fluffy" music has always been there - Old Man With No Name, Astral Projection, MFG and many others were IMO quite fluffy..
Of course, there was twisted music as well, from the likes of The Infinity Project, Hallucinogen and Kox Box.
I cant help but believe, that you havent followed this development closely enough, or else you would have known this...
Am I wrong, or can you elaborate on what your thoughts are as to these above mentioned artists? Maybe Im understanding what you write wrong.
And yes, Im keeping this intentionally short, since you decided to ignore the other stuff I wrote
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:57
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Krell what i cannot understand is that by the term fluffy music you are all generalising the music into a sort of commercial sound whilst if you take great producers like Star-X, Silicon sound, Atomic Pulse this is great music that has a soul feeling to it, morning music that gives you inner happiness! Am i saying right or am i going crazy! I also do not understand Xazy in way cause what should the trance scene be mad up of this twisted psychedelic only? There should not be psychedelic morning music?
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:58
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Krell what i cannot understand is that by the term fluffy music you are all generalising the music into a sort of commercial sound whilst if you take great producers like Star-X, Silicon sound, Atomic Pulse this is great music that has a soul feeling to it, morning music that gives you inner happiness! Am i saying right or am i going crazy! I also do not understand Xazy in way cause what should the trance scene be mad up of this twisted psychedelic only? There should not be psychedelic morning music?
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 11:04
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Hey Krell can you tell me why in this forum you are all generalising this what you call Fluffy music? I mean man with no name always had comercial sound, astral projection is still somewhat the same but when we talk about Star-X, Silicon Sound, Atomic Pulse i do not clssify this as fluffy i say this music has a soul in it! This is morning psychedelic music and as dark and twisted is the night music then this has to be as happy and inner healing is the morning music...am i right or am i going crazy like even before in psy parties there was twisted music played at night and melodic in the morning isn't that so? So please let's not just generalise this fluffy stuff, there is good morning music even today!
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IndiAlien
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 11:27
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all the posts on this thread hve gone too big to read
forget it...am back to dancing
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blah blah blah..... yadda yadda yadda.....
industrial Drum & Bass...... WTF is that if not 'E' music. It sounds like crap if ur not X'd out of ur mind.....
and coke is for stupid rich kids with more of dad's money than brains of their own.
To each their own i guess,
but if u mess with my trip..... u will find no sympathy from me.
boomboom shroomshroom
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 12:17
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hejhej Krell,
don't get me wrong with the word "lenghthy", I didn't mean it in a negative way, I am enjoying this discussion.
"Superior" I wrote a bit as a teaser. It's a delicate word to use, I know.
Still it does somehow describe my feeling about not only LSD (btw I stopped taking that as well, because in the end it's also manmade and quality went down the drain), but psilocibin, mescalin and other natural psychedelics.
You are right, that the experiences you make on a psychedelic journey, are very different from person to person, you can't predict it in any way, unlike mdma, where you can be sure to feel good.
That's why I feel cheating myself, when I take a substance, which then determins my feelings/thoughts. Psychedelics don't do that. You are the master of the trip. It will be your very own journey, where you (sometimes also your unconscious) decides where to go. You can't take LSD to become happy, it's yourself that has to be/create to be happy and LSD will make the experience enhanced and stronger.
So I meant superior and that way, that it is not cheating you, but is just opening up you senses for what is already there, or for what you create.
Also I would like to mention, that I don't see psychedelics as a party drug mainly. You can use it for that, but imo you should make some experiences with these substances in a "safe" environment, with some friends, before you think of dropping an acid on a big party, where there is all sorts of different people and energies, which can easily confuse and irritate you.
Funny you are saying, that you don't trust your taste in music on LSD (you are really the only person I know feeling like that).
Have you ever heared the expression "acid test"? Never wondered where it came from?
The guy who invented it, used to drop acid, listen to the music and then review/rate it. He considered it the only way to really tell how good a track is and if it is psychedelic or not.
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 12:51
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Hey pointy,
I agree with you so much, acid takes you somewere else and also i know that on acid you really see the truth in every person around you...I know you understand this that you can really see the soul of people when you are acid, i love to take acid with my friends in natural places when i was younger we used to be 20 friends and go to the beach take some acid and have an absolutely great time! I also like to take acid in party nowadays its good energy and you just go with the music it's a trip! Lovely! Nowadays i do not take any mdma or extacy or cocaine anymore cause i see that drug as being materialistic and has nothing to do with Psychedelics...I still love tripping though and i still think that a trip every now and then won't hurt anyone, actually i really do not regret one single trip i had! It's an experience!
Your sound, is your music, is your soul keep them all on the right track!
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Dragongurl
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 13:25
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On 2004-10-26 12:51, ganjagil wrote:
Hey pointy,
I agree with you so much, acid takes you somewere else and also i know that on acid you really see the truth in every person around you...I know you understand this that you can really see the soul of people when you are acid, i love to take acid with my friends in natural places when i was younger we used to be 20 friends and go to the beach take some acid and have an absolutely great time! I also like to take acid in party nowadays its good energy and you just go with the music it's a trip! Lovely! Nowadays i do not take any mdma or extacy or cocaine anymore cause i see that drug as being materialistic and has nothing to do with Psychedelics...I still love tripping though and i still think that a trip every now and then won't hurt anyone, actually i really do not regret one single trip i had! It's an experience!
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You see it the same as I see acid tripping gangagil. Its nice to see that lots of people share the same views and feelings!  
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 13:29
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To Ganjagil
Ahhh, well - you see at first in this thread there was no clear definition as to what "fluffy" music meant... So, I tried to create a general consensus on what qualified as "fluffy" and what qualified as "twisted".
Those 2 words are just labels... Fluffy doesnt mean bad, and twisted doesnt mean good - Its just describtions of the sound... We could just as well have said "Full On" and "Psytrance" - However, "twisted" and "fluffy" where the words Xazy choose, so those are the words we use in this thread.
Lets make something clear - I am absolutely MAD about Star-X, Silicon Sound and Atomic Pulse tracks - If anyone thinks those are "fluffy" artists then thats fine with me - Im not to argue, since people know their respective tastes best themselves. However, I love it... In fact, you could say I love both Fluffy AND Twisted music.... indicating that I am an openminded person:-) (or at least, enough to enjoy both genres hehehhe)
By "fluffy" I understand "not so psychedelic" in the context of this thread. I do not find Star-X, Silicon Sound and Atomic pulse to be as Psychedelic as lets say Grapes of Wrath, Digital Talk and Kind dza dza.
Understand though, that to me, psychedelic isnt = good and fluffy isnt = bad - even though it seems to be that way for others. Ive heard some REALLY shitty music which was far too psychedelic. Some tracks where basicly just chaotic noise... Sure, it was VERY psychedelic, almost electro accoustic sounding - but it did not create a trance.
I think maybe, theres too much focus on the "psychedelic" part insted of the "trance" part in this thread I think, the goal is to "enter a music induced trance with psychedelic aspects", and not to create "the most extreme psychedelic experience possible".
Well, I hope that clears things up abit for you I too think theres as much soul in the "fluffy" music as in the "twisted" music - we must however accept that others do not see it that way, in turn they must accept that we do think it has soul. Failure to do so, is just being plain simple intolerant / lacking understanding of what taste is all about
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 13:39
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I understand what you say Krell cause i also felt that this word fluffy was degrading such good music! I mean for me (and its better to state that) this fluffy stuff just gives me the best of trippy dancefloor and inner happiness i ever had, i mean i just close my eyes and i am flying in an angelic world! I have not yet been able to go to the dark side in respect of this twisted i tried but call close minded but i haven't a feeling for it! or maybe i haven't tried so much yet...possible i think i could have ago though!
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 13:45
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On 2004-10-26 13:25, Dragongurl wrote:
You see it the same as I see acid tripping gangagil. Its nice to see that lots of people share the same views and feelings!
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i would just like to say i think acid makes so called "twisted" music sound like absolute shit...i believe this stuff (neuromotor, parvati recs, etc.) is really for people fucked out of their heads on pills as they only need a strong kick drum to get them going like a ballroomdancer...personally when on acid i like to listen to more melodic stuff (otherwise i get really depressed by the teenage angst style trance), or funky / groovy although even better is the experimental stuff that is also funky, now that is experi-MENTAL; ie: prometheus, loopus in fabula, haltya, kiwa, blowfish, blah blah blah...so called twisted music i find to be an irritation whilst tripping, seems cheap almost... |
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 14:24
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On 2004-10-26 12:51, ganjagil wrote:
acid takes you somewere else and also i know that on acid you really see the truth in every person around you...I know you understand this that you can really see the soul of people when you are acid
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Yes, thats exactly how me and my friend felt. When we was walking home from the neuromotor gig in Oslo we could see the persons and the feelings they "represented" at that momant as clear as daylight. Sad, confuse, happy, fake, lier.. what ever. strange feeling that i cant really explain with words at all.
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On 2004-10-26 13:29, Krell wrote:
Understand though, that to me, psychedelic isnt = good and fluffy isnt = bad - even though it seems to be that way for others. Ive heard some REALLY shitty music which was far too psychedelic. Some tracks where basicly just chaotic noise... Sure, it was VERY psychedelic, almost electro accoustic sounding - but it did not create a trance.
I think maybe, theres too much focus on the "psychedelic" part insted of the "trance" part in this thread I think, the goal is to "enter a music induced trance with psychedelic aspects", and not to create "the most extreme psychedelic experience possible".
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yes yes and yes.. And i can understand why the word "fluffy" is assoiated with a negative meaning. Even the word trance is assosiated with a negative meaning these days.
Fluffy good psy: Take "Astral Projection - Another World" In my opinion this is a fluffy and psychedelic album. Its morning trance, but who said that morning trance isnt psychedelic? hmm.. I think that Morning trance is just as psychedelic as Night trance. Night trance is more, wiced when it comes to the sound and the path of the track. But i wouldnt say that that makes it more psychedelic at all. Its just two different kind of (feelings) psychedelica. Happy and mad, hehe.
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