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will psy ever become mainstream?post ur opinions
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demoniac
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 19:10
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Psy trance will never be mainstream, why? Because only hippies are in to Psy trance, and they don't want to spend money 
Maybe few artists like Infected Mushroom, Astrix, Astral Projection & Shpongle are going in that way, but their concept of music is a little bit diffrent. But again their "mainstreamnes"  is nothing compared to any other popular music genre.
Dubstep and D'n'B are so much popular because they are basicly a scene from a couple of other music scenes: Reggae, Jungle, Rap, Hip Hop, R'n'B etc... For example everyone that is in to reggae music, goes to a DNB party because the music contains reaggae elements, and is being promoted to this kind of audience... Psy trance on the other hand is only psy trance heads, and even this little amount of people is in to: Psy Trance, Ambient, Full On, Proggressive, Darkpsy, Suomi, Goa... And even this genres are splitten in to smaller sub genres like for example Darkpsy: Dark Trance, High Tech, Psy Core, Forest, Dark Ambient etc... And 90% from the people in this scene are only in to one sub or subsubgenre, giwing very little material support (like buying cd's or visiting a gig from their favourite artist)
All the money are going in to drugs, psy fashion, or anything else not connected with the music itself...
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There are more artists and Dj's than audience at the moment i think, everybody want to be part of it, last year i sold like 150 copies from my last cd, and received more than 300 tracks from diffrent artists...
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Yidam
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 19:37
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It might not become mainstream in the listener market sense but doesn't it mean much that there there are an enormous amount of people out there producing music due to psytrance ? just like demoniac said: 150 in sales but 300 track submissions! sounds pretty crazy.
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 20:29
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I think its become more mainstream everyday..kids are getting into electro and dubstep now more than ever.I speak to people all the time from NY and other places..kids like 16,17 are throwing parties.Some kids in Israel here i know i throwing parties....that doesnt mean its mainstream but these kids werent psyheads ever.If infected could do it so can others.
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 21:17
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The problems is defining mainstream. In must common ones psy wont be clasified as such.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 23:16
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On 2011-11-09 20:29, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
I think its become more mainstream everyday..kids are getting into electro and dubstep now more than ever.I speak to people all the time from NY and other places..kids like 16,17 are throwing parties.Some kids in Israel here i know i throwing parties....that doesnt mean its mainstream but these kids werent psyheads ever.If infected could do it so can others.
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electro surely infects the planet and it'll grow even more big than it's already is, its more popular than techno ever was. Each lady that I know loves electro parties, no matter if they come from rock ,drum and bass or whatever other music. Goa is popular amongst hippies and wont rise up from the underground. Its specified for taking trips and journeys - atleast if its done properly or the intention is mostly for it . For mainstream it's to wierd and too less cool. The kiddies decide mostly what will be mainstream and trend and apart of chart music, they love skrillex dubstep and electro nowadays , the avarage mass I mean.
The music is also too fast for being mainstream it look like this from my observation only. Just my thaughts.I like psytrance in the underground , and nevertheless I wish the artists find a way to earn somethin from it, since it is art and complex and deserves more than fame in the underground.
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a3k
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 23:46
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On 2011-11-09 19:10, demoniac wrote:
Psy trance will never be mainstream, why? Because only hippies are in to Psy trance, and they don't want to spend money
Maybe few artists like Infected Mushroom, Astrix, Astral Projection & Shpongle are going in that way, but their concept of music is a little bit diffrent. But again their "mainstreamnes" is nothing compared to any other popular music genre.
Dubstep and D'n'B are so much popular because they are basicly a scene from a couple of other music scenes: Reggae, Jungle, Rap, Hip Hop, R'n'B etc... For example everyone that is in to reggae music, goes to a DNB party because the music contains reaggae elements, and is being promoted to this kind of audience... Psy trance on the other hand is only psy trance heads, and even this little amount of people is in to: Psy Trance, Ambient, Full On, Proggressive, Darkpsy, Suomi, Goa... And even this genres are splitten in to smaller sub genres like for example Darkpsy: Dark Trance, High Tech, Psy Core, Forest, Dark Ambient etc... And 90% from the people in this scene are only in to one sub or subsubgenre, giwing very little material support (like buying cd's or visiting a gig from their favourite artist)
All the money are going in to drugs, psy fashion, or anything else not connected with the music itself...
And finaly:
There are more artists and Dj's than audience at the moment i think, everybody want to be part of it, last year i sold like 150 copies from my last cd, and received more than 300 tracks from diffrent artists...
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we must face it - the culture itself is actually very distorted..more artists and dj´s than attenders, more parties per weekend, than people can afford..lack of quality in the events..lots of copy cats..anyone with a computer can call themselfs an artists..artists with high demandings..parties with no decór..
this is no way connected to the real psyculture i know.
so will it ever become mainstream..?no i don´t think so..people are doing it the wrong way
but does the culture itself, the message it carries wants to become mainstream?humm..don´t think so.
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demoniac
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 23:53
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On 2011-11-09 23:46, a3k wrote:
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On 2011-11-09 19:10, demoniac wrote:
Psy trance will never be mainstream, why? Because only hippies are in to Psy trance, and they don't want to spend money
Maybe few artists like Infected Mushroom, Astrix, Astral Projection & Shpongle are going in that way, but their concept of music is a little bit diffrent. But again their "mainstreamnes" is nothing compared to any other popular music genre.
Dubstep and D'n'B are so much popular because they are basicly a scene from a couple of other music scenes: Reggae, Jungle, Rap, Hip Hop, R'n'B etc... For example everyone that is in to reggae music, goes to a DNB party because the music contains reaggae elements, and is being promoted to this kind of audience... Psy trance on the other hand is only psy trance heads, and even this little amount of people is in to: Psy Trance, Ambient, Full On, Proggressive, Darkpsy, Suomi, Goa... And even this genres are splitten in to smaller sub genres like for example Darkpsy: Dark Trance, High Tech, Psy Core, Forest, Dark Ambient etc... And 90% from the people in this scene are only in to one sub or subsubgenre, giwing very little material support (like buying cd's or visiting a gig from their favourite artist)
All the money are going in to drugs, psy fashion, or anything else not connected with the music itself...
And finaly:
There are more artists and Dj's than audience at the moment i think, everybody want to be part of it, last year i sold like 150 copies from my last cd, and received more than 300 tracks from diffrent artists...
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we must face it - the culture itself is actually very distorted..more artists and dj´s than attenders, more parties per weekend, than people can afford..lack of quality in the events..lots of copy cats..anyone with a computer can call themselfs an artists..artists with high demandings..parties with no decór..
this is no way connected to the real psyculture i know.
so will it ever become mainstream..?no i don´t think so..people are doing it the wrong way
but does the culture itself, the message it carries wants to become mainstream?humm..don´t think so.
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I don't think there are too many parties, for the other things are you completely right!
Too many wannabies
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Braindrop
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 09:26
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Interesting topic.
I would definitely say that, psytrance is definitely not as underground as it used to be. When we have festivals catering to 30,000-40,000 (though its not much compared to the commercial ones) , it is still big enough for a music genre that had absolutely total underground roots. Cmmon, with the likes of IM,Astrix,Hallucinogen etc, artists from the psy background to hit the DJ Mag top 100, is not commercial enough ? Juno Reactor making the uber popular MATRIX soundtrack, GMS appearing on PS gaming titles , Paul Okaenfold releasing a psytrance compilation??? I mean. hellloo???. It may not be as big as a pop or a rock, but compare it to some other genres, its definitely way more commercial than them.
Our sound has definitely reached to a certain level and to many people, in its short existence. More than anything, i am still saying that is jsut rapidly growing day by day and reaching new destinations.
Somebody mentioned about the parties and events reducing in numbers, too many events, lacking quality/decor etc etc. Let us face the facts and difficulties. Everybody knows that tis music is preferred to be played outdoors. But having said that, we all also know the difficulty in doing outdoor gigs. The huge risks and lack of permissions, not to forget the D's involved in carrying out such gigs. We hear everyday of outdoor parties getting cancelled and shut down and busted etc etc. So this means, that the only way (if you want) the music and the scene to survive is by doing it indoors in clubs, which is what is happening for the last 6-7 years. Whether you like it or not, this is the only chance of survival. Let the outdoor ones be left to the festivals for the experience, or legalised events.
Now, what happens is, now that the scene is moving indoors, it is unknowingly entering the commercial space wit all the other genres. Which means competition. And venues/managers/owners know the resurgence of the genre, its popularity and ability to draw the crowds. They really like the passion and the energy our events bring. But it also doesnt convert in terms of revenue for them. Whic is wat ticks them off. Also, This is perceived a bit of a threat from the other genres, and of course with their commercial power they try to wade it off by competing in the events space. A bit like nature's law... New people coming to your territory, hold your ground, or only the fittest will survive.
Also what also needs to be noted is the presentation of the event. Venue owners/managers from what ive seen or heard(from different parts of the world) are hesitant/scared to give out their venues just because of the art that is presented as it gives them the image of a so called 'rave party' which they dont want to be associated with. I also feel in the art/decor space, we need a bit of evolution.
FOR GOD's SAKe, please stop the backdrop art with all the religious dities, the shiva's and te ganesha's and the om's. I doubt half the people, who come have a clue about it! I even see some festivals wit the OM symbol as a part of the their logo. I mean... WAT THE FUCK IS THAT ??? How does the Om symbolise your event which has got no connection to in the larger perspective?? Please dont get me wrong, but being an Indian, i find this extremely uneasy when i this art spread among hoards of substance induced people, who wouldnt have a clue or who dont even give a damn about it. It definitely had it roots somewhere, and was more prevalent when the scene was evolving.
Let's just leave it there as good memories and move forward.
This also ticks off the venue manager seeing, shoddy string work and religious stuff being splattered all over! Come up with decor/art that is evolving with time. There are only a few who i see, presenting this.
And of course, all this costs money. So support your events by paying. Also somebody mentioned, about music sales in the genre being zilch. For this, you have to also have a good local scene and not just invite the next killer international live act. Create more space of regular local events, with the local dj's as they are the ones buying the music. Only when the events become regular in nature, there is a constant evolution and understanding of the stlye and culture.
It's understood that the events only will move indoors if you want the genre to be still alive and kicking, produce good quality events with quality.
Even the commercial bit is alright, as long as it is done well. Remember, we might bash the IM's or Astrix's, but they are doing a big part, by introducing the sound to many new people, who may be the future followers of the sound, and are partially responsible for the making the sound more widespread.
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 10:41
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@ braindrop:
i don't think that 20 years is a short existence. i go to goa party since 1991...
i'm not agree with you regarding deities (or what people can't understand). because if we only put what can be understood by everybody, then we can't put nothing but "spongebob". even those who think they understand the deep meaning of gods , they don't !
but this is not mandatory and it's a matter of party organizer to put other backdrop works and use their imagination. psychedelic is supposed to be creativ' thinking, but speaks about mystical things.
so ok if we want to be mainstream: make 3/4 mn tracks, take out all of "suspicious" decoration and psychedelic message, go back to club, and take out all proof of psychedelic activities........so lets close the kindergarden 
ha ! and also prepare a big amount of money in order to make a real international advertise campain. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 12:20
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demoniac
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 17:02
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On 2011-11-10 12:20, disco hooligans wrote:
Psy-trance as a style, will never become mainstream. The minute it becomes mainstream, it is not longer psy-trance.
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Even if it becomes mainstream one day, it will not be and should not be like the "artist" who act like look me i'm famous today, that is not psy trance, that is hollywood style or something more ridiculous than that
8 years ago, when i started listening this music, i would never imagine that one day i will see girls in bikini on a cover, or even some female Djs or artists posing and that sex would actualy sell in this scene
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 17:25
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haha true..
i dont know what you guys mean with mainstream, in israel it look it is/was mainstream no? psytrance always been very popular there .
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 18:35
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i remember on a old documentary in israel,at a wedding they were dancing to goa trance lol |
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Posted : Nov 18, 2011 04:26
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If we survive (manage to evolve into a global post-scarcity society); psytrance, psybient etc will probably be the most revered music in the future.
There would be less fear of hypnotic trance musics ego-reducing effect. More research will prove that it works even better than mantra meditation. It's already becoming common knowledge how important meditation is for our overall health and optimal brain function. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 19, 2011 00:42
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That's a very big "if"... 
Anyway, why would anybody care?
I would be perfectly fine if nobody outside this Forum ever knew about psytrance. Nobody I know in "real life" ever heard about it. Why should it bother me in any way? |
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