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will psy ever become mainstream?post ur opinions
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Fometrius
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Posted : Nov 6, 2011 22:19
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I guess some directions might become or already is mainstream to a certain degree but i think some "branches of the tree" always will stay underground.
The deeper more psychedelic part i dont think is something the wider masses will like. But some cheesy vocal house emerging may probably happen, has happened, but high bpm, think out of the box melodies and sound structures, sqelchy sounds, complex goa patterns etc will not be heard on your local radio station in the comings days i believe.
Psytrance is such a wide word and now days it consists of so many different directions, all having some underlying similarities yet being and getting more different from each other.
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Nov 6, 2011 22:36
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for me something that is mainstream is something that is played on mtv or in tshows, radio everywhere... if you start to put a loupe on every musical culture then everything becomes mainstream in the end.
i guess that the view on on this question really depends on the person who its asked and that there is no real answer for it because this scene is so widely spread and so different depending on the country that your in, that we can't really come up with a definitive answer.
but frankly i couldn't give more shit about it in the end, whatever its mainstream or not, good music stays good music and bad bad... and this is a pointless debate... 
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 00:25
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goaren
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 00:43
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psydude - if that aint the definition of mainstream (tho on a smaller scale) i dont know what is...
nathan - i hope you are being sarcastic  prog/minimal is allover clubs in tel aviv and to some degree in haifa/jerusalem.
just watch the attendees in one of way too many huge parties like psydude posted - the people are very different than what used to be 5 years ago, not to mention 10 years ago
gotta stick to the smaller parties and pretty much one production who managed to make a big party feel like the parties of years ago (psilosiva if you wondered) for me to enjoy |
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 03:22
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My 2 cents:
As long as the Psy scene does not start to work together, and I mean from end user to artist to label to party promoter to distributor, as long as there is no professional ground on which to collaborate together ( professionality in business, not art) psy will never be mainstream. As to wether mainstream is good or not, no idea... I am sure there are people in this scene who try to work on a real level, not just use each other for their own gain but to collaborate and create something bigger, I have not met many ( but some).
I have been into what is now called psy for sometime now, and saw it evolving from a simple gathering of friends into something quite different.
Today labels complain about distributors, artists complain about labels, distributors complain about everything and listeners download music for free which hinders from anything becoming mainstream, except for a few who managed anyway, mostly before downloading for free was really an easy option for the public...
So if you want Psy to become mainstream, paying for your music would be a way to start... Then there is of course also the question, do we want it to become mainstream?
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 03:34
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 11:08
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Funny how some say it is not mainstream. How long have you been in this scene to being able to tell?
A scene with many Festivals with 20-30.000 people attending is indeed as mainstream as it gets.
Yes there are small events too but reality is when the world see the name Psytrance they think big commercial festivals such as Ozora etc., IM, Astral, Sphongle etc. etc. That is as Mainstream as it gets;)
The scene is indeed Mainstream and has been so since mid 90's. No matter how much some wish it was not Mainstream.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 12:46
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30 . 000 is funny , honestly.
Mainstream is maybe if atleast 30.000 see your videoclip running on some television a few times a day.
Mainstream needs suport of media. Mainstream artists earn serous money - not just the organizers of concerts or festivals.
I like psytrance when it is fat produced and sometimes when it sound not fat but it is really psycho too, but it surely never reaches a real commercial mainstream level (if it really stays psytrance) - or I myself misunderstand this term.
And I agree this festivals are very commercial today which does not mean that they are necesseary bad. Commercial as a term and as I see it , is also not bad - it'S bad for young undergrounders
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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 14:17
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Psychedelic Trance in some of its forms (like full on for example) might SOUND mainstream BUT IS NOT mainstream at all.
This is very easy to prove with one simple method.
Go to Youtube and type the names of the most well known psy trance artists like Astrix, GMS, Hallucinogen, Etnica, Skazi, Ace Ventura, Liquid Soul or whoever you like.
You will notice that from these artists 2-3 videos might have more than 1,5-2 million views and the rest have no more than 300-400 thousand views in average. Also the videos with the big number of views are there for more than 3-4 years.
Now lets check other styles of music. Want to begin with pop music and artists like Madonna and Michael Jackson or newer artists like Justin Bieber? Maybe switch to rap or hip hop artists like Eminem or 50 Cent or Busta Rhymes? Maybe check out rock and metal music from the likes of Iron Maiden to Metallica or something more classic like Rolling Stones? Or maybe check out Classical music like Mozart and Chopin? What about more electronic forms of music from the mainstream Tiesto and Armin Van Buuren to the more oldschool Kraftwerk and KLF? Maybe some Ethnic and world music? I could go on and on forever naming 20 styles of music that have zillions of views on youtube proving that people are more interested in these kinds of music rather than psy trance proving that these kinds of music are more commercial than psy trance.
The earth population is around 7 billion people and there is no chance that more than 5 million people are active and interested within the psy trance scene otherwise there would be festivals on a monthly basis with more than 50,000 people and the cd sales wouldnt be joke numbers like 500 copies per release and there would be big parties on every major city around the world on a weekly basis with more than 1000 people. Thats less than 0,1% of the population. If thats commercial then some people have a wrong understanding of the word.
A music with 300-400 thousand views on its most well known artists videos on youtube is a lot of things but not commercial music.
JUST ONE TRACK by Eminem and Rihana has 400 million views in just one year. I bet my life that all the psy trance tracks posted at the moment on Youtube combined together dont have that many views.
Even greek pop music has much more views on youtube than Astrix and GMS for gods sake and we are no more than 13-14 million people around the world.
Like someone wisely said the scene is getting bigger than it used to be in the past but its far far away from becoming mainstream.
P.S 1 I dont mention Infected Mushroom because like we all know Infected Mushroom for the last 5 years at least are something different than a psy trance act. After all they are one group/band out of a thousand at least.
P.S 2 Beat Agency mentioned big fees and corporate money getting involved. Please mate 95% of the artists out there get no more than 1000 euros to perform in an event. Thats a big fee? Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 21:51
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Multiply the Euro 1000 with 10-15 for Sphongle, 6-8 for Simon Posford and multiply it with at least 5-6 for Astral Projection etc. etc. Only small artists and Djs get Euro 1000. There are big names in this scene who get huge fees. That is indeed commercial and mainstream!
Mainstream is not only measured based on how many hist a genre gets on Youtube. The world is way more shades of grey than that.
I disagree with you totally as usually Detox.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 22:30
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On 2011-11-07 11:08, Beat Agency wrote:
The scene is indeed Mainstream and has been so since mid 90's. No matter how much some wish it was not Mainstream.
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Nobody I know has ever heard of psytrance. And no, I did not spend my whole life in a cave in Death Valley. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 23:30
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Beat Agency LIKE I ALREADY SAID 95% of the psy trance artists get no more than 1000 euros which ofcourse means that there is a 5% of artists out there that get more money than 1000 euros but these are very few people. Out of this 5% the 4% get between 1000-2000 euros maximum and only the 1% gets more than 2000 euros.
I know both the prices and percentages simply because i have made more than 400 bookings in the last ten years and have worked more or less with every respectable and well known artist in this scene from the most expensive ones to the cheapest ones.
By the way Shpongle ask much more money than the 15k that you mentioned and Astral Projection are much more reasonable with their fees than what you described. You are only close with what Hallucinogen asks.
The psychedelic trance scene IS NOT commercial neither in world fame and popularity, event attendances, cd sales, artists payments or whatever.
Whoever has a different opinion i am here to prove him wrong on every level in just two minutes with facts and numbers and not just words.
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Chemistry
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Posted : Nov 7, 2011 23:39
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^Same here (in USA) "No" one knows what psytrance is or can name you ANY artist. Electronic music as a whole isn't mainstream here. yes I know EDM has it's time on television but only as a backdrop and barely now you hear it on major radio (electro). It's growing which I think is a good thing but still has long to go.
Would you say Dubstep is mainstream? it blows psy out of the water and in only like two years and go ask people around on the streets if they have ever heard of Benga or Skream or Bassnecter or 12th planet I'm sure the not. kids into stuff yeah not everyday people and if you ask those kids what do you think of Astrix or GMS they'll say WHO????
I think Psy has the same numbers in Brazil or Israel that House or techno dj's have here and Europe. those are very small numbers compared to other genres. Electronic music still has a long way to go. you say the word "trance" and mostly you'll get a frown.
Fun Fact Tiesto has performed to more people than anyone at onetime and he's still no bieber or gaga
So in the end on topic No, it may get it's 15mins and reach the masses but it will not last and will never be mainstream. Just watch Dubstep I think Psy can blow up like it and should but again it will not last and will not be that huge.
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sidra
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Posted : Nov 8, 2011 21:42
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It's really obviously underground right now. Sure, you can throw a few parties around the world that have large crowds....20-30000 people. But those parties are being attended by people who are traveling from all over the planet. Mainstream concerts and events can pack 100000 people from just the city that the event is happening in.
There are certain parts of the world, like Israel and Brazil where it has popped up in the mainstream youth culture, and I think that it's possible for that to happen in the rest of the world. Trends are a weird thing to predict, and Music trends can sometimes be driven by drug trends. Even now, there is a resurgence of mdma use in mainstream culture with the Dubstep/electro scene. If something like acid, or maybe a yet to be famous research chemical that was sufficiently psychedelic started getting consumed at mainstream parties, a resurgence of psychedelic culture in the mainstream might occur(as it did in the 60's and 70's).
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Bom*shankar
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Posted : Nov 9, 2011 17:33
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