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why so little prog in london???

Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : May 24, 2005 19:06
I here all the time from promoters that there is not a big enough following of prog trance in london to be able to fly over prog dj's/acts. I beg to differ.

I've been partying quite a lot, the last ten years or so... and I've seen all sorts of changes in our scene. I've been out partying quite alot this year and a see a lot of people enjoying the night but also many getting bored with the music after 4 hours of the same bpm/tempo, same drum role after bloody drum role, same high frequency leads and typical hi-hats!

many of my friends (as well as myself) have come from a goa background, to psy full-on background and many would like to see the main room have a mixture of style as too make a journey. Many party people would like to see a night start prog (first 2 hours), full-on in the middle 4 or 5 hours, then morning prog in the last 1 1/2 or so.... This would surley make the night much more interesting. This is how it is in much of europe and these have been some of the best partied I've ever been too... london is just slow on the uptake. Where we used to be leaders in the trance scene!?!?

Also I played with Marcus (son kite) and Son Kite live in a second room. There was big full-on artists playing in the main room. But most of the night the prog room was packed, really packed and kicking off, where as the full-on room was only half full (at best) all night. This must show that there is a following of more progressive... good music is good music no matter how it's pidgeon holed!

So to the promoters... I feel some of you have your ideas about your market a little wrong.... It would be good to see a change in the formual!!!

Oh well, I guess I might just have to move country to somewhere a bit more open in it's trance dance! hehehe

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DJ Buju
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Posted : May 24, 2005 19:31
Totally agree with you on this Glen !!!
But we can only hope that slowly slowly things will change and we could deliver what the people want, And they do want Progressive Music and not @ a seconed small room of the party with the same Djs week after week.
We need to get some more acts/dj's from form the progressive side of things.
We need all you big promoters out there ( You know who you are ) to work with us and try and make unique parties for the UK crowd.
Like Glen said the party should have a natural build up combining Progressive & Full on music.
If not it's plain boring and i don't think anyone would second that

So please lets all try and make a change cause we all know people are a bit fed up with the state of the scene here in our lovely UK.

I hope no one is offended by my post cause it's not the intention of it.

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Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : May 24, 2005 19:59
Please note that I also do not intend to offend lovers of the more full-on sound... I myself dig a good full-on set as much as the next bod. All I'm trying top say is after 5 hours or so it tends to become a bit samey. As Buju puts it, we need a natural build up and down to a party, with a fuzzion of prog and psy/full-on!

Who's with us?!?!?!
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lurk
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Posted : May 24, 2005 21:48

i agree with you in principle, but i think the 6am finishes is a little early for the prog sound inho. if a party is finishing 10/11am, then yes, the last 2 or 3 hours should definitely be prog           I said no to drugs... but they didn't listen
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Posted : May 25, 2005 00:17
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On 2005-05-24 21:48, lurk wrote:

i agree with you in principle, but i think the 6am finishes is a little early for the prog sound inho. if a party is finishing 10/11am, then yes, the last 2 or 3 hours should definitely be prog




Lurk, becuase our indoor parties finish early ( 06:00 ) we need to be more diverse in a short period of time.
I think one could start the night with groovy progressive and then moving to a more pumping progressive & then bulid up towards the full-on side of things to finish the party with, if you wanna finish the party with progressive then have full on in the late night time and finish with sort of morning progressive tunes....

It's all about delivering music which tells a story, and a story as got a start, middle & an end

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Posted : May 25, 2005 15:00
daytimes parties would be nice for prog, but i'd rather eat glass than spend a summers day in a club...
DJ Buju
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Posted : May 25, 2005 15:11
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On 2005-05-25 15:00, canyouhearthegoblins wrote:
daytimes parties would be nice for prog, but i'd rather eat glass than spend a summers day in a club...




Why spend it in a club ?
Progressive is great for outdoors like any other style...
it's not about club or outdoors it's about the lack of progressive music in parties across the UK.

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brij


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Posted : May 25, 2005 15:20
Last year at the Baraka Chillathon (a small 30 hour party for ~100 people from midday saturday until sunday evening) we had to have chillout from midnight until 9am. So on the saturday it was full on all afternoon, then chilling all night. My favourite time was on sunday morning when we went progressive from 9am until after we served sunday lunch (full hog roast for a couple of quid). Don't know what happened after that, I had to get some sleep after being up since saturday morning. the party wasn't actually outdoors, but you could walk outside and still hear the music fine.Can't wait for this year.

But back on topic, there is no reason why someone couldn't organise a progressive party in one of the london parks during saturday and/or sunday daytime (with a club somewhere overnight for those who don't want to stop). I think it is probably quite expensive to get licences etc. for somewhere like Finsbury Park, but you just need to get some sponsorship (from some ethical company).


My two favourite sets I have heard was at a 'Mindscapes and Friends' back in ~2000, with James Monro playing the inimitable flying rhino prog style from 4am.

Then last summer at the glade George Barker playing the sunday morning slot in the liquid tent.

Daytime, nighttime, indoor or outdoor I believe that there is a following for prog, a promoter just needs to have the guts to expose the punters to it, and to get them to come to the party in the first place. Perhaps the way to do it is to do a party with some of the big names who play in the more commercial prog trance/house scene.
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Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : May 25, 2005 20:24
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On 2005-05-25 15:20, brij wrote:
Last year at the Baraka Chillathon (a small 30 hour party for ~100 people from midday saturday until sunday evening) we had to have chillout from midnight until 9am. So on the saturday it was full on all afternoon, then chilling all night. My favourite time was on sunday morning when we went progressive from 9am until after we served sunday lunch (full hog roast for a couple of quid). Don't know what happened after that, I had to get some sleep after being up since saturday morning. the party wasn't actually outdoors, but you could walk outside and still hear the music fine.Can't wait for this year.



Hey, I remember that party. Really nice spot! I played sunday morning along side the wonderful Tom Anteater!

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Henry


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Posted : May 25, 2005 21:37
I think its tricky because there's almost no homegrown psy prog scene in the UK now. I can only think of one or two british artists making the sound and its the energy of the local boy hero that sometimes is needed to get that sort of thing moving. Has anyone heared that guy Patmandu from brighton. he's really on it. should be getting there soon. Anyone else? (not counting all the old heads who might dabble occasionally but mostly do either prog house/dub or fullon).

There's quite a few djs though. maybe the drat mafia should get in the ferkin studio eh? What about you glen? 10 years behind the wheel you must be creaming with track ideas! I know what I'll be doing this summer anyway...

Also don't forget that psy is a lifestyle choice for lots of people not a musical thing and the prog sound has lots of non hippy non psycho associations that put people off. It'll come back. My prediction:
Eskimo releases on iboga before 2008
GMS change to: mumblng sane social workers (prog side project)

etc etc etc

See you at the front!

H
John
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Posted : May 26, 2005 11:06
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My prediction:
Eskimo releases on iboga before 2008



Without a doubt - I'd very surpised if Junya was still doing the fullon (in its widest sense) thing in his mid 20s - like most folk who produce banging stuff early on - he'll get bored and end up getting into afro-house or something!

BTW -if anyone thinks there is a big market for prog parties - why dont they just put one on? (I'm being serious not sarcastic...)
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Posted : May 26, 2005 13:14
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On 2005-05-26 11:06, John wrote:

BTW -if anyone thinks there is a big market for prog parties - why dont they just put one on? (I'm being serious not sarcastic...)



It's only the start of a great new era
A few quality parties are coming our way...

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Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : May 26, 2005 19:50
Henry mate... you are really on it! I guess that homegrown artists and labels is what help push a scene. When I worked for resonoise, we did our own nights and played a lot of prog with our dark psy... and we used to pull in a crowd most times!

You're also damn right that I want to get in the studio... I did make a bunch of tracks years ago, maybe 7 years, with Magus (Igneous Sauria & Phacelift). But I don't really have any tech know how just a head full of grooves! But I'd like to join you in summer to see what can be done!

Also Patmandu... I had a couple of his first tracks when I worked for resonoise. Any idea how I can get hold of him. I should be making a comp later this year, would be cool to hear what he's got up to all these years!

Plus for anyone who cares... I shall be spinning some deep prog and Iboga sound the next couple of weekends...

I'll be playing first at the domo night on the 3rd...
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/62444/forum/42

Then I'll be warming up for a full-on night, Kailas on the 10th...
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/63229/forum/42

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Henry


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Posted : May 26, 2005 22:31
I've got his e-mail somewhere but now's not really the time as my exams are next week. he's on psy forum I think. He sent me a demo before christmas. Some really experimental (reminded me of the weirder manmademan stuff) and then a couple of quite iboga style classics.

incidentally glen Need to bag some of that old magus/igneousauria stuff off you some time. I lost my old case and that stuff was totally berserk. What a great bunch of people to make music with I bet (Humph made some cool stuff with them too I heard).

Toodle pip. Finals next week. Yoink.
NeutroN
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Posted : May 26, 2005 22:59
just waiting for some of this action to start...

a lot of work needs to be done in order to change the image which prog has with the general public.

the idea of a local hero in theory would work but in practice it doesnt as promoters do not help the local artists, and many of these artist lose the interest in spending endless hours in a studio and not being recognized for their work.

their is a lack of new promoters who wants to gamble nowdays, as it is a hard to compete with the already established promoters. imo if these already established and respected promoters were to gamble on introducing prog along side their full-on acts things might change.
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