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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jun 19, 2008 17:57
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problem is i explained myself as a gentle human (in 1st post) while you started swearing and insulting (in 1st post)...
youre two reasons for parties staying soo costly and commercial is that in israel they get busted....
and that hippies cant understand that, to dance to some music in a forest, they have to pay as much as a poshy club with lights, air conditioned, champagne etc...
not very strong arguments...even if they are reality....and dont get me wrong...it is very good that you can actually organise legal parties rather than being always illegal....very good!
but us trancers have to work for these laws to get them closer to us (freedom) rather than closer to what governments want (money/control)?!
can you see where i am coming from...?
just know skazi is not psytrance anymore....and bholenath just means humble.....a word you should learn better...!?
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sam i am
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no I know my own language well enough. I just choose not to grab onto the catch-cries of a cliche & well worn culture
How exactly do you think that throwing illegal parties is going to convince our government to be MORE accommodating of parties??? It's not. The only way to do that is to prove to them that parties can be *good* things by doing it the way they want enough times that they get used to it & start to lighten up. That costs money
don't get me wrong, if you want to go to a little party in the middle of nowhere with not many people & just local DJs, sure! Go for it! Do a cheap (or even better, free) party!! Personally I want more than that.. & am well aware that it's gonna cost more to do it somewhere that's not set up to do parties on a regular basis, like pretty much any outdoor site in this country, than somewhere that is, like a club. If you can't understand that, go to hell. & if you can't understand that I'm sick to fucking death of having this argument, because believe me I've had it many fucking times over the last 2 or 3 years, you can go to fucking hell too. Seriously, for a culture that espouses itself to be so focussed on art, you'd think the hippies would be prepared to throw some money at it
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Cyberwlf
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Posted : Jun 25, 2008 00:05
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You've only had 2-3 years of dealing with this?? Ideals are great, and where they can be implemented i fully support them, but the socio-economic environment of present day dictates different things than what we could've previously taken for granted.
Not saying to neglect the ideals, but taking responsibility goes some distance to helping change perceptions, unfortunately i doubt that the powers that be will ever fully authorise anything which is not 100% within the commercial domain.
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nezbit
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Posted : Jun 25, 2008 13:40
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I've never really gotten involved in the legal vs illegal way argument too often. Honesty has for me generally gotten me further than my bullshit ever did, funnily enough. However i disagree that being completely legal is always the way to go (all circumstances must stand under independent thought)There are times when it can be done without, no probs, WITHOUT being a dickhead and irresponsible. Juts because one doesn't have full council/ DA approval does not mean one hasn't taken as great a precaution as possible. People who are willing to promote, provide an outdoor party here in Australia so rarely have the money. There's also no saying that the extra dollars spent trying for approval of DA will gain it. There are people in my own area who take care, provide the essentials.. ok this may not always be what actually happens.. but almost always. In fact i've paid over $100 to go to a reputed festival in nnsw easrlier this year and they didn't even have ANY water available to us, luckily choppers took care of us. But fuk it would be a shame to see anyone tar all promotors with the same brush and demand every doof pay tens of thousands of $$ to keep us doofing... thats before Djs/producers, sound, promotions, ambo's and fuel even begin to be tallied.. know what i'm saying? Personally i'd much rather have infrequent low key, smaller kw parties happening than have to wait all year for rainbow (which musically doesn't swing me all directions i need) .. earthcore (no thanks) and what? matreya or cairns? Seriously, i love a lot of what these festivals have to offer but definitely not well rounded enough to wet my aural yearnings. Yes I'd love to go to a great festival, but honestly.. reality is different. Also, some of us like it in between too. I guess it depends what ur local doof community is really like. Mine is pretty amazing, and i have been around long enough to see the old get jaded, the young turn soft and still.. i've got it good lucky me hey.
Yes it is true, perhaps we should go the Poweraid or Winfield sponsorship path to help us ink the required stamp of approval. No doubt. Diet coke or chai? Anyone? |
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mrmojorising
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Posted : Jun 25, 2008 22:21
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I've never really gotten involved in the legal vs illegal way argument too often. Honesty has for me generally gotten me further than my bullshit ever did, funnily enough. However i disagree that being completely legal is always the way to go (all circumstances must stand under independent thought)There are times when it can be done without, no probs, WITHOUT being a dickhead and irresponsible. Juts because one doesn't have full council/ DA approval does not mean one hasn't taken as great a precaution as possible. People who are willing to promote, provide an outdoor party here in Australia so rarely have the money. There's also no saying that the extra dollars spent trying for approval of DA will gain it. There are people in my own area who take care, provide the essentials.. ok this may not always be what actually happens.. but almost always. In fact i've paid over $100 to go to a reputed festival in nnsw easrlier this year and they didn't even have ANY water available to us, luckily choppers took care of us. But fuk it would be a shame to see anyone tar all promotors with the same brush and demand every doof pay tens of thousands of $$ to keep us doofing... thats before Djs/producers, sound, promotions, ambo's and fuel even begin to be tallied.. know what i'm saying? Personally i'd much rather have infrequent low key, smaller kw parties happening than have to wait all year for rainbow (which musically doesn't swing me all directions i need) .. earthcore (no thanks) and what? matreya or cairns? Seriously, i love a lot of what these festivals have to offer but definitely not well rounded enough to wet my aural yearnings. Yes I'd love to go to a great festival, but honestly.. reality is different. Also, some of us like it in between too. I guess it depends what ur local doof community is really like. Mine is pretty amazing, and i have been around long enough to see the old get jaded, the young turn soft and still.. i've got it good lucky me hey.
Yes it is true, perhaps we should go the Poweraid or Winfield sponsorship path to help us ink the required stamp of approval. No doubt. Diet coke or chai? Anyone?
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seeeks
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Posted : Jun 27, 2008 05:55
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Mr mojo ... totally with u pal ... as u said right in the beginning of the thread ... would love to see some disco valley artists in action in aussie land ... Was in goa arnd feb ... caught a gig by teo , stranger and fractal noise at prim rose .... Wld love to see them arnd ... all u aussie aliens shld do something abt it ... Get them down here from the streets of chapora ... ... It wld be a super duper killer foot stomping session .... BoooM to all u guys ... love to see these good vibes flowing .... Keep them coming ... )
Oh dam ... by th way never introduced myself ... I am chucky ... I am from India ... just shifted to byron bay 3 days back ... Hope to see u guys arnd ... )
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jun 27, 2008 14:04
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On 2008-06-20 01:04, sam i am wrote:
no I know my own language well enough. I just choose not to grab onto the catch-cries of a cliche & well worn culture
How exactly do you think that throwing illegal parties is going to convince our government to be MORE accommodating of parties??? It's not. The only way to do that is to prove to them that parties can be *good* things by doing it the way they want enough times that they get used to it & start to lighten up. That costs money
don't get me wrong, if you want to go to a little party in the middle of nowhere with not many people & just local DJs, sure! Go for it! Do a cheap (or even better, free) party!! Personally I want more than that.. & am well aware that it's gonna cost more to do it somewhere that's not set up to do parties on a regular basis, like pretty much any outdoor site in this country, than somewhere that is, like a club. If you can't understand that, go to hell. & if you can't understand that I'm sick to fucking death of having this argument, because believe me I've had it many fucking times over the last 2 or 3 years, you can go to fucking hell too. Seriously, for a culture that espouses itself to be so focussed on art, you'd think the hippies would be prepared to throw some money at it
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can you answer without using that tone or are you going to keep getting more aggressive...?!
anyways im going to try again:
how exactly are you going to prove to governments that parties are good things by paying them money...? yes, it is a revenue in their balance sheets...that they will rely on more and more!
are you going to stop drug consumption??...no...so they will always be seen on the bad side!!
maybe you think like your government: use money to get rid of societal/cultural problems (lack of freedom of expression in our case) just like they are paying aboriginals money with no other complementary help to try and include them in society.....(sorry for bringing racial issues up but the argument is kind of relevant to sam's feelings...NOT FROM THE RACIAL POINT OF VIEW)
ancient civilizations are well worn cultures?....so mac donald's is the new civilization?....ha ha!!
sam, my advice: stop spending money on expensive commercial parties (and mac donalds) and use it for travels...like real hippies do...!
bholenath
nezbit i feel ya....!
cyberwulf..please expand....
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Cyberwlf
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Posted : Jun 28, 2008 04:47
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You seem to have the view we either get 100% government approval or fuck the system. It's not that black and white.
There's a lot of grays to it and that's what really complicates it. Events which have the support of local communities, councils, governments give the punter a different experience, it makes it not some act of rebellion but an act of sharing with others and them providing something for us in return.
It's not always possible to get people on side, but a general duty of care for any reasonable sized event should not be a legal obligation but just an act of being responsible. Showing some effort is being taken will only increase the likeliness to make people more sympathetic to a cause. Conservatism (and elections) will undoubtedly sometimes hamper things, but it's not a reason to not take care either.
But at the end of the day the more hostile and more resistant parties are seen to be the more situations can worsen. So while sure if its a small party what you can do may be limited it should not be an all or nothing situation.
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sam i am
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Posted : Jun 30, 2008 16:03
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no I know my own language well enough. I just choose not to grab onto the catch-cries of a cliche & well worn culture
How exactly do you think that throwing illegal parties is going to convince our government to be MORE accommodating of parties??? It's not. The only way to do that is to prove to them that parties can be *good* things by doing it the way they want enough times that they get used to it & start to lighten up. That costs money
don't get me wrong, if you want to go to a little party in the middle of nowhere with not many people & just local DJs, sure! Go for it! Do a cheap (or even better, free) party!! Personally I want more than that.. & am well aware that it's gonna cost more to do it somewhere that's not set up to do parties on a regular basis, like pretty much any outdoor site in this country, than somewhere that is, like a club. If you can't understand that, go to hell. & if you can't understand that I'm sick to fucking death of having this argument, because believe me I've had it many fucking times over the last 2 or 3 years, you can go to fucking hell too. Seriously, for a culture that espouses itself to be so focussed on art, you'd think the hippies would be prepared to throw some money at it |
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can you answer without using that tone or are you going to keep getting more aggressive...?! |
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can you answer without resorting to hippy cliches?
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how exactly are you going to prove to governments that parties are good things by paying them money...? yes, it is a revenue in their balance sheets...that they will rely on more and more!
are you going to stop drug consumption??...no...so they will always be seen on the bad side!!
maybe you think like your government: use money to get rid of societal/cultural problems (lack of freedom of expression in our case) just like they are paying aboriginals money with no other complementary help to try and include them in society.....(sorry for bringing racial issues up but the argument is kind of relevant to sam's feelings...NOT FROM THE RACIAL POINT OF VIEW) |
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wow, you really are stupid if you think I'm just talking about money. The fee that the local governments charge for approval is insignificant compared to the amount of money & *effort* it takes to make sure you pass all their requirements
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sam, my advice: stop spending money on expensive commercial parties (and mac donalds) and use it for travels...like real hippies do...!
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listen you chillum toting fuckwad, the cliche well worn BULLSHIT I was talking about is this moronic shpeel that you dribble all over the keyboard & onto the internet. Do you even fucking think about what you write??? Or do you just regurgitate what your fucking guru told you?
I'm living in a foreign country you fucking crackhead!!! & who gives a fuck anyway??! What is this some sort of game of oneupmanship in your bullshit hippy world?? He who's travelled to the most countries has the most right to criticise parties?!? Grow a brain. I'm sorry, but you can't just draw a line in the sand then say, "on that side are the hippies. They're good. On that side are the corporations. They're bad." There are fucked things about hippies & there are fucked things about travelling. Of course there are good things about both.. just as <gulp> there are good things about corporations! For example, without the corporations you wouldn't have the oil you need to do your precious travelling, which, I should point out, is a pretty Caucasian Easy Life kinda thing to do by the way but y'know, keep believin' you're shanti, living a life of pure freedom, fightin' the power & all that!
P. S. you haven't been to many parties in Japan have you?
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Braindrop
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Posted : Jul 1, 2008 20:54
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Geez..... Wats happenin in here mates ???
Wat was just a simple question.... turns into bashing of some sorts. Although i feel the language used cld be more dignified. Why so much negativity?
Getting back to the topic, Oz has some real awesome night time projects like Dark Nebula, Pondscum, Hefty Output.... how come these guys dont play around much? And wheres Legohead these days?
I've heard a great deal abt good vibes at the Oz parties.... not much on the music side. Although i wld love to come one day and experience this and drop some tunes.
Cheers!
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 16:41
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jus curious bout why most of the people prefer more of full on morning and electro funk here more than the night music.i was wondering bout this topic coz i see a majority of morning and electro funk or "weird" (wateva u guys call it , it sux)artist play in festivals and gigs than the few dark artist. |
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We do it to deter 20-year-old moron backpackers who've been listening to psy for two years and think they are H A R D C O R E and know it all. *cough* |
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baaaaaaaahahahhahah... WIN!!!
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i think we can sum up the attitude with these two posts....no point taking it forward.... no point wasting time with people with these preconceptions, bad vibes and language!
enjoy whatever makes you happy.....
and for you sam:
no bholenath this time.....will "cheers" do??
btw check your pm.....
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mrmojorising
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 22:13
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welll....listen to wateva u guys like ........
it was jus a question outta my curiosity dat why do peoplelike de styleof proggy and ceheesz round in aus more dan than the hard core twisted stuff...
never xpected the thread to be go on way of limits and judge people without even knowing wat they actually mean....
so jus peace out guys. ....wateva views u gotta on ur music .....enjoy yht fuk outa it.... |
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Terrafractyl
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 10:40
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whoa!
Sam, buddy whats going on over there bro?
ok, fine, maybe you don't like hippy cliches, but there seems to be quite a lot of plain, unchecked aggression coming from you in this thread.
Maybe my head is planted firmly in the sand but to be honest, If I have the choice between the 2 I'll take the hippy cliches everytime thanks
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We do it to deter 20-year-old moron backpackers who've been listening to psy for two years and think they are H A R D C O R E and know it all. *cough* |
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i think we can sum up the attitude with these two posts....no point taking it forward.... no point wasting time with people with these preconceptions, bad vibes and language!
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Also I think it should be noted that Australian humour can be quite dark, even coming close to plain insults at times and is often completely misinterpreted on these kind of international forums.
(even by Australians sometimes)
i.e
http://forum.isratrance.com/stamp-out-d-t-h/
all the dude ever wanted... was his rug back...
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 12:19
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well one thing is dark humour one things is just insulting someone you dont know....us italians too are quite roudy and aggressive but come one....its not about misinterpretation.....its about manners and being human...
but i agree you have a "particular" humour down there....
maybe sam is just angry cos summer is finished down there.....and it started here?!
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mrmojorising
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 21:29
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italians???? australians????? isrealiens????
Arent We Supossed To be One in This Community???
May be vietnam should happen once again and haight ashbury people should take over the next genereation......
people in here are shyt........obviosly there are xeptions........
now dis not my judgement.....everybody is a witness here....
so enjoy ur GENRE people....i aint comin in between
I rest my case....
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