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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 14:48
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On 2006-02-01 12:15, Acidhive wrote:
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On 2006-02-01 11:01, Gopendra wrote:
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On 2006-01-30 18:20, DETOX wrote:
Its not easy to connect psy trance music with politics since psy trance doesnt use any lyrics unlike rock music or hip hop does for example.
I mean ok you dont like Bush but how can you express it through a psy trance tune?
Maybe you can but it will be very very difficult if you ask me.
This ofcourse reflects to the relationship between politics and psy trance MUSIC and not the psy trance MOVEMENT.
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agreed 100% politics is more for hardcore,punk,alternative and heavy/thrash metal
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Yep. I agree too.
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Thats the way it mostly is. But even this music can be good/better with out politic-messages.
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 16:35
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I think that just the fact of you being able to listen to trance, and going to parties near you, is a clear signal that your freedom is extended.
Not totally, that's impossible and an illusion, but being able to listen to trance, means that your political rulers let you listen to it.
There is no trance in China (yet) or North Korea, so in a way the access to some kinds of music (intervention, psychedelic, whatever..) means that you're politicaly clear to hear them.
I say this beacause 30 years ago in Portugal, music, and arts in general were censored.
Music is a way of comunication, its some sort of information, that you receive with your ears.
So, information its what we need to get the picture more clear.
So the more varied information you get, the more evolved and informed you are.
Informed from what's out there.
Still, even in the most developed coutries, the information somtimes is crap, short, wrongly judged, unilateral, so its up to you and your conscience to sort the good one from the bad.
So music is a declaration of independance and freedom so you can shout loud "f&$& the goverment!!!", and get away with it. |
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 08:48
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agreed 100% politics is more for hardcore,punk,alternative and heavy/thrash metal
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I don't mean to be a pain in the ass...but I think that about around 1/3 rd till half (or maybe even more) of the people in our scene nowadays (worldwide that is) have serious metal/punk/hardcore roots......or are still listening to it....maybe that explains this heavily viewed and particiated discussion  (just as well as the Illuminati Video (Shiva Joerg) and the Acidance Covers topics !!!) So I guess there is a need or sympathy for political content in our music, a big part of our scene seems to think that's important nowadays.....weather that is about the more positive or negative side of the political spectrum is irrelevant in this case I think.....both serve the growth of consciousness and 1 doesn't exist without the other and true consciousness comes onlywhen being aware of both in my opinion.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 18:27
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without reading all comments i will say, most people dont listen to the words in music, they just dig the music if it has the groove they are after... and most probably its because there is too many words in a bad sequence.
Nothing beats a very well thought comment.. it can make a whole room go silent.
music is mostly meant to entertain, this dose not mean that it cant have a message in it,
but the message is seldom worked on as much as the musical groove, and the message is often very superficial.
Psytrance music is sometimes very complex and takes you for a journey into the unknown.. the great thing is that in this unknown realms you can slip in the message and it can go straight into your consciousness..
also you need to tune in to the frequency people are in, in this time of the era. what is the most talked about topic, what is most relevant for us today... use this as an advantage and the message can become real clear.... though if the message dosent have a new dimension or if it dosent state a new awarness its most likey to be ditched.
i think its good to make people aware, but dont take people for fools, you need to really reach for them, and if its in a bizzar way or any other it really dosent matter...
just some thoughts... nothing well thought just some thoughts..
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 04:23
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Aluxe
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 07:23
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Yeah nice thoughts New Era S. |
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Satyr
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 16:32
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On 2006-02-02 08:48, Shawnodese wrote:
I think that about around 1/3 rd till half (or maybe even more) of the people in our scene nowadays (worldwide that is) have serious metal/punk/hardcore roots......
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!dont forget HipHop!
if there's been any crew -in my lifetime-
that opened my mind to receive an alternative view on history it's Public Enemy!
in my mid-teens i was just washed away by the mssg in their music
and tried to get my eyes on as much additional info i could find,
to broaden my horizon on historical topics,
tried and succeeded to become one o/t the whitest black panthers.
of course, every story has its own color,
yet if u understand which color, u can filter it out
and compare it with the color of the story from the opposing side ..
.. if u catch my drift.
in the case of hiphop, it's easy to bring forth a message
as this style of music is predominantly spoken-with-beats.
to sum up a vision in a oneliner sample to fit in a psy:track,
u have to come up with something damned original and catchy
to make people understand something while they're dancing.
i think goa before and psy now has been apolitical long enough,
we've got plenty of time for hedonistic escapades ahead,
so it's time to fill our heads so we have enough to waste
when we empty 'em again on the trancefloor!
so ...
there's already more than enough moaning women sampled in trance
to get me right out of my trip and back down to earth to start over ..
politics on the other hand, may be too heavy for other people
on the trancefloor.
i always thought psy was way beyond porn - until i heard another moan,
and i woke up from my dream ... and danced on
to "psychedelic disco reborn" 
guess now it's time for some other people to wake up
from their pink dreams and smell the frappucino
that's served with the Global Reality Paper each morning 
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www.soundcloud.com/satyr-barbarossa
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 20:28
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Nice subject. We are kind of social beings and it is impossible to avoid anyhow the fact that we have to deal with that part of life. And, yes… I guess that having opinion is a must. I am just wondering if the trance tracks are the right tool to express this kind of opinion. On the one hand I completely can share the feelings about the nonsense that is happening on the planet but on the other I don’t want to be reminded during the party that the world can be a shitty place. Not at the parties. Cannot imagine myself dancing and thinking of Mr. Bush…
At least I am seeing trance as a way to confirm to myself that there is much more then material life. And the reminder of certain events/personalities of world’s political arena would be too disturbing. The same disturbance I had when I’ve seen on TV an ad for beer with the background track of The Delta.
However the subject of ultimate goals, which also goes somewhat to politics, those kind of messages I totally admire. Like tracks about freedom, for instance… Yes, those messages are perfect. My favorite is the track by Kopfuss Resonator that was released on Nephilim at 1996.
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 00:34
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I agree with you that a party is indeed not the most pleasant place to be reminded about world's politics, specially not when having drug-enduced experiences and being very open to any sort of energy, also the less pleasant ones....so I personally vote for very careful picking off samples by artists.
On the other hand I do believe that a cd booklet can be a good way to reach a major audience and to create or stimulate awareness about certain topics, also the less pleasant ones....what's in the booklet doensn't have to be screamed out loud int he music I think
Politics or things simular to it can also be expressed indeed in positive ways like the sample in Sirius Isness' "I want Freedom" for example or their album title "Breaking the Matrix"...there are indeed more subtle and less agressive ways of bringing a message.....but well...some people just turned agressive and got infected by what they are surrounded with day & night I guess, which is also understandable and needs to get released somewhere as well before it does more damage, but place and moment to do so should be picked very carefully and not harm others so the bad energy will continue to flow around from one place to the other, it needs to get transformed instead in my opinion. I do believe that's something to be very careful with though as said before and artists need to really consider what frame of mind they wanna have people dancing in on their music.....after all playing with all those brainhalfs on a dancefloor is a great responsibility and there have been many times that I refused playing certain tracks for the shitty or way to dark  samples in it.....not every audience knows how to appreciate that and not every artist uses it as a joke...
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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 10:30
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i think trance adores its life at-the-fringe and we should respect it...politics per se aside though, there are so many other humanitarian messages which could be put across - like brotherhood, peace, saving the forests and wildlife, human welfare, issues of respect between cultures and so much more...which i think suits this genre much better...while all this may be political too in some way, a pro-goodthings idea goes down better than an anti-badthings one
other than that, i think what would help more is to revive and nurture the right culture and attitude, which is still, though fast fading, part of the scene...than concentrate myopically on the power of samples in trance, but that I guess brings us back to the old debate - is trance anything more than just music helping apple pies take over the world since Damion predicted so
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:33
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I think Detox got it right. I want to talk politics and world affairs with ppl I meet at parties as I beleive that generally speaking they probably have what I consider to be the right idea about a great many things. I want to do this away from the party too though. The last thing I want to hear across the dancefloor is a sample from George W. It's only going to piss me off. There's a lot of amazing politically motivated music, but please keep it off the dancefloor.
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 04:45
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On 2006-02-15 10:30, Vagator Vibhushan wrote:
while all this may be political too in some way, a pro-goodthings idea goes down better than an anti-badthings one
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Now this is something I agree with majorly, and I think this is also the main reason why a lotta people had issues with the last Acidance compilation for example, no matter that I personally did it and can deal with it, I think it's indeed a lot more effective to show the proper example than to trash people's faces into the dirt happening around earth all the time...I think most of us know but just don't wanna invest energy in it no more....it's kinda exhausting isn't it
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