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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 18:20
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Its not easy to connect psy trance music with politics since psy trance doesnt use any lyrics unlike rock music or hip hop does for example.
I mean ok you dont like Bush but how can you express it through a psy trance tune?
Maybe you can but it will be very very difficult if you ask me.
This ofcourse reflects to the relationship between politics and psy trance MUSIC and not the psy trance MOVEMENT.
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mist
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 18:31
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music, as an form of creative expression, ultimately carries some form of message from the artist, some kind of inspiration behind the track that gave him/her/them the motivation to write it. this includes any track you listen to. the message can be "dance and have fun", "do lots of drugs", "wake up and fight the system", or countless others. the track also could have simply been a cathartic expression of the artist's feeling / mind set at the time.
music has power. it reaches countless minds. especially a music such as ours that is more global / universal, and doesn't rely primarily on a spoken word / lyrics to get the point across to it receiving audience. why not use it for a constructive purpose?
regardless though, more power and much support to any artist / label / etc who wants to push people to evolve and wake up by carrying a message more deep than "get yourself high".
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Surrender
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 21:17
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 23:20
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Though i liked the track by Shiva...the video is what got me all against it...it could have been more effective without the video...its like a lot conspiracy information or maybe disinformation...if you gonna make video make sure its backed by Valid research material...not just some websites on the net...get stuff from reliable sources rather than vast amount of junk thats on the web. maybe i expect more creativity...but i'd rather not make it such a big deal Trance & Politics...people will wake up whenever they feel like it...sounding an alarm wont do much if everyones on Ambien
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I havent seen the video yet, but I agree with the general point that it is better to make a more limited, but well informed statement than to make a big statement that is based on unsubstaniated evidence.
It wasnt any conspiracy theory website that convinced me that Bush is evil. It was George W. Bush himself who convinced me of that when he made the case for war with Iraq. The whole time the rationale for war was that Saddam wasnt letting the weapons inspectors in. But then when Saddam allowed them back in, Bush decided that the inspections were not working and that war had to happen anyway.
What need do I have for conspiricy theories and wild speculation when I have the self contradictions of the US government itself? Their own words are the most solid proof of their ill intentions.
So my suggestion is that someone do an audiomontage track that puts together all of Bushs lies and self contradictions. Let his own words be his executioner...
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 02:30
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If there's any politic idea in a song this one is called propaganda (doesn't matter if it's against Bush, is politic too).
I prefer psy trance without any explicit message.
This absence can make the song open to everybody so every individual can be drived by the artist-dj through sounds, rithms and melodies to mentally dimesions far away from the quotidianity, that i think links cultures, it's open-minded and constructive, but can divide etnies if there's a political message behind.
Come on, politic ideas are easily to find in music, is it necessary to use them in psy trance to make kind of a scene's manifesto?
i don't like that.
But anyway it's about everyone's taste in the end. 
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Shawnodese
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NoKeyAah, wise words indeed and ur adding true discussion material here instead of being judgemental like a lot of people seem to get stuck in. I agree with u that the video could have done better and that maybe it's to personally aimed at George Bush but do now that on many of the websites posted, there's a lotta substantial evidence that Bin Laden and Bush and many others is just all and the same...and I'm sure that this is something Joerg is also aware off. These people and their families/ancestors shake hands behind closed doors for decennia allready and the list of corrupt politicians worldwide being part of all their organisations is endless and also worked out throroughly on many of these websites posted on the topic of Joerg's video. No matter that the video might not be perfect and could have done better, at least someone took the effort to ring a bell and try and wake up some people, no matter if he did that perfect ro not, I highly respect such efforts and it's simple...one that sticks his/her head out takes the risk of having it chopped off and get criticised, but I respect that a lot more than a lotta lame-asses doing nothing at all, sitting at home behind their pc and slaggin' others off. One thing I don't agree with is u saying that "nobody" wants to make a videoclip about Bin Laden and suicide bombers. I think you take things way to personally and just 'cause Joerg didn't put that in his clip, doesn't mean nobody will. It's one of the few clips in our scene with a political msg, there's hardly any videoclips of tracks at all compared to any other music scene, so personally I think ur exagerating with this. For the rest I'd like to point out that maybe we shouldn't discuss the video of Joerg here to much because there's a topic about this allready in Promotional and the aim for me was to get a more general opinion about how people think about the combination of psytrance clips/music and spreading a political message.... Mind Funk Records
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Gnome
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 13:26
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wanting to change the world by critiszing one politician- Bush but on the other hand no one wants to speak bad about the terrorists... |
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who said artists dont want to criticise terrorists? - just because no one did yet?
killing other people is something noone can accept, so we dont have to discuss about the terrorists here...itz totally clear that they are wrong!
but on the other hand, a part of the so called free world (like mr. bush) that tries to defend his values in the same teroristic way and wants to print his opinion to the rest of the
world is something we have to criticise! just because of the fact that itz hypocritically and improbably!
maybe i go to far now, but u remember the sentence "either ur with us, or ur with the terrorists!" ? itz not that easy! im with none of them!
so u have to start somewhere when criticising, and shivajoerg did. i dont agree with everything in the video, and sure itz polarizing, but how deep can u go
with no lyrics and in just 6 or 7 minutes?
for me itz a step in the right direction. in the trance scene are so many people that love freedom and peace, so evolve in that way if itz not just a slogan!
for example at international festivals, u have so many different people (different language, different culture, different look, different opinions, etc....) but all these
people are together (for a few days) in a respectful and harmonic way (or at least most of them).
if this is not an exception, why dont u take this attitude home and spread it?
combining trance music with politics could be a way to do that, as long as u wont get instrumentalized by any political party...
i would like to go deeper, but unfortunately i cant express myself that good in english, so i stop here.
and for those who want to read some stuff about electronic culture and politics, goto: http://www.sterneck.net/english/index.php
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 14:35
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Bashing someone is a step in the right direction?
>For sure not.
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Gnome
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 15:17
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i did not say that!
criticism = bashing ? no!
i also criticised the video, by saying that itz polarizing...
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 16:08
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On 2006-01-30 18:20, DETOX wrote:
Its not easy to connect psy trance music with politics since psy trance doesnt use any lyrics unlike rock music or hip hop does for example.
I mean ok you dont like Bush but how can you express it through a psy trance tune?
Maybe you can but it will be very very difficult if you ask me.
This ofcourse reflects to the relationship between politics and psy trance MUSIC and not the psy trance MOVEMENT.
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I think that Detox raises a very valid point. Though Jorg tried to solve it with the video.
Still it kinda limits the deepness of the message you can transfer. Same reason why I don't like those drug samples. Some things need deeper discussions and oversimplified (by defintion) messages can miss the whole point.
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andrejcid
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 18:51
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On 2006-01-30 18:20, DETOX wrote:
Its not easy to connect psy trance music with politics since psy trance doesnt use any lyrics unlike rock music or hip hop does for example.
I mean ok you dont like Bush but how can you express it through a psy trance tune?
Maybe you can but it will be very very difficult if you ask me.
This ofcourse reflects to the relationship between politics and psy trance MUSIC and not the psy trance MOVEMENT.
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exactly! totally agree here..
it takes a lot of dedication and strong PERSONAL ideological input in order for an artist to effectively capture an original, strongly supperted and conceptualised message of political/social/whatever character.
cryticising certain terrorist groups, politicians etc. is just a matter of taking a 'side' in a certain issue....and it works in the totally oposit manner for me, even though I may generally agree with some of it....
http://www.shkart.com
dont mean to promote anything here, but this bunch of young freaks have most certainly managed to to distribiute a powerful message to the ones that are willing to absorb it. they are not promoting a (common) and shallow political issue/message as some ppl here think it should be done, yet it most certainly is well conceptualised and powerful. well done!
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 03:10
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Woah guys and gals I just had a brainstorm!
Leaving politics out of the music does not mean that the scene would necessarily be apolitical or in any way politically apathetic!
Just think of the power that we have, as a global network of individuals spread across the globe... everybody knows someone who knows someone who knows someone... Imagine how this kind of social network could be used to organize global protest actions and circulate ideas!
I think psy should get political, but maybe on the social end and not the music end. I want to talk politics with the people I meet at psy parties because I like and respect them and are interested in their opinions. BUT I want to have these discussions away from the party. How productive is a poltical discussion going to be when the volume is so loud I have to shout and odds are either me or the other person has has a few hundred micrograms in them?
What will hearing Bush's voice while Im in that state do except piss me off? And what good can come of me being pissed off when Im near the people I love and nowhere near the people I am actually pissed off at?
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 11:01
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On 2006-01-30 18:20, DETOX wrote:
Its not easy to connect psy trance music with politics since psy trance doesnt use any lyrics unlike rock music or hip hop does for example.
I mean ok you dont like Bush but how can you express it through a psy trance tune?
Maybe you can but it will be very very difficult if you ask me.
This ofcourse reflects to the relationship between politics and psy trance MUSIC and not the psy trance MOVEMENT.
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agreed 100% politics is more for hardcore,punk,alternative and heavy/thrash metal
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Acidhive
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 12:15
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On 2006-02-01 11:01, Gopendra wrote:
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On 2006-01-30 18:20, DETOX wrote:
Its not easy to connect psy trance music with politics since psy trance doesnt use any lyrics unlike rock music or hip hop does for example.
I mean ok you dont like Bush but how can you express it through a psy trance tune?
Maybe you can but it will be very very difficult if you ask me.
This ofcourse reflects to the relationship between politics and psy trance MUSIC and not the psy trance MOVEMENT.
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agreed 100% politics is more for hardcore,punk,alternative and heavy/thrash metal
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Yep. I agree too.
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