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EYB
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 15:12
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Agree with u oran and NoKeyAah 
Shawnodese you already sounds like a fanatic psycho!
'It is all so bad, they are everywhere, we must fight, bla bla bla...'
BTW It is very bush bashing is soo stupid. U are just a victim of media, don't you think there are much more evil persons then bush? Anyway even if not, u'll never archive freedom with spreading hate against another person. U need to find freedom for urself.
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Anogenic
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 19:41
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It would be a good start if the artists who (excessively) use vocals in their tracks (ie Infected Mushroom and many others) began to put some thought into the lyrics, instead of singing complete bullshit that could have been written by a 10 year old. When your music reaches such a broad public you have a certain responsability regarding the image of our genre, and IM's lyrics make us look like a bunch of e-tards. If you don't have anything thoughtfull to say it's better to just shut up and lay down some fat beats!
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 19:45
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whats wrong with 'I whish' lyrics? imho the are good.
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[Ada-superwoman]
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 20:34
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Trance as a music must be the final product of the individual inspiration of each artist... An political issues also could be part of it... as much as ecologist messages or just some superficial messages... ´cause there are people hungry for lisent every source of music/message, and this is enought to bring what people are asking for... remember there is not specific target of people that likes psychedelic it is from 0 until 99 loooooooool so every one need it owns msgs... but for me is like this the more variety the best!
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nyama
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 21:43
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i think music is a good way to give a real statement or opinion...
best example herefor are the mainstream live-aid concerts..
so many ppl are affected to just think about things..
it is ok to be political in a musical way, cause it isnt as dry as political discussions and everyone can interpret it on their own... so i think such a statement will be more powerful as e.g. a voicesample then just a sentence in any speech...
so i think everyone should feel free to send messages he likes to send....
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 01:47
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IMO trance music can make strong political social statements...
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In our kind of music those statements are not always most effective when stated directly, as with folk/rock, for example what Woodie Guthrie or Bob Dylan sang.
Because trance is generally non-vocal, and vocals are usually not welcome, quick voice samples that hint at ones true meaning are more effective. For example I would think it is better to have a track that says "Bush should be..." and then garbled voices or perhaps some gruesomely suggestive noises, so one is left to finish that thought for themselves. That is a much cooler way to get the point across than saying "Bush should have his head cut off with a rusty hand saw".
A lot of the old Goa, I feel took this sort of sublimanal message approach, dropping words here and there, or with cover art and track titles making hints at a spiritual message without ever completly, directly stating it.
So yes, I think psy can and should be used to spread ideals and messages, but it is best done in a way that it is subtle and indirect enough to fit in with the culture that this music comes from.
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 01:48
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On 2006-01-29 15:12, EYB wrote:
Agree with u oran and NoKeyAah
Shawnodese you already sounds like a fanatic psycho!
'It is all so bad, they are everywhere, we must fight, bla bla bla...'
BTW It is very bush bashing is soo stupid. U are just a victim of media, don't you think there are much more evil persons then bush? Anyway even if not, u'll never archive freedom with spreading hate against another person. U need to find freedom for urself.
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I'm sorry 2 c u have such a twisted point of perception my friend, 'cause first of all I ain't spreading hate, I"m spreading information about those who spread hate, there's a difference between the 2, even when you don't see that. Next to that I do believe there's a lot more 'evil people' on this planet, it's not like I got my head stuck up my hiney or something  And why would I be a victum of the media? I think u got a bit wild fantasy if u ask me. Your last words were some of true wisdom though, so there is some light at the end of the tunnel I guess  Mind Funk Records
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 08:53
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On 2006-01-29 15:12, EYB wrote:
Agree with u oran and NoKeyAah
Shawnodese you already sounds like a fanatic psycho!
'It is all so bad, they are everywhere, we must fight, bla bla bla...'
BTW It is very bush bashing is soo stupid. U are just a victim of media, don't you think there are much more evil persons then bush? Anyway even if not, u'll never archive freedom with spreading hate against another person. U need to find freedom for urself.
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How the hell is someone gonna find an inner freedom when governments such as BUSH's measures what is freedom. I want to see you convincing some third world citizen to look for inner freedom when Bush and his fellows are dropping bombs above their heads. This world has a very bad direction mostly because of USA and human nature's inborn greed that has been stretched to the limits by Bush and his friends and it would be share stupidity to close one's eyes and just go with the flow.
I do see your point about inner freedom and its very important to have it, rather hard though, but does it really make that much difference if you are ok with yourself when meanwhile the nature is being destroyed and oppression blossoms everywhere. More important for human beings is to reach the balance with their surroundings than look for freedom from themselves. What is this freedom from yourself anyways?? Maybe after one gains inner freedom one starts to look for balance with surroundings, but dear EYB, you certainly haven't reached that, your ignorance is far too transparent. |
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 09:24
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Another reason my trance shouldn't be mixed with politics:
Music - unite people.
Politics - divide people.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 09:31
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On 2006-01-30 09:24, Nathan wrote:
Another reason my trance shouldn't be mixed with politics:
Music - unite people.
Politics - divide people.
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True as well... and what comes to trance and politics I agree with you, I don't go to a party to hear a political message but to have fun and enjoy, even to look for that inner freedom. I think that a trance party is not the best venue to promote politics. Rock concerts, for example, are a different thing. |
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Gnome
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 13:35
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in my opinion life is politics and politics is life.
all the way you behave to other people, your reactions in dayly social life..thatz all politics!
i think all of u here in this forum agree with human rights, so thatz politics, too.
so i dont really understand people saying "i´m not interested in politics", arent u interested in life?
while saying "being interested in politics" i dont mean joining any political party or stuff like that,
just walking through life with open eyes, analyzing things that happen around me and searching for answears.
believing in values such as freedom, peace, democracy, etc. connects lotz of people worldwide, so why not
transmitting these messages into trance music? for sure, i dont want to become trance parties political
meetings (because i go there for having fun, too)...but having something like a collective political consciousness
to avoid ignorance, hate and supression, or at least to show others the difference, is not that bad.
and about the videoclip, i like it a lot, and i dont see spreading hate with it...itz just a request to think
about some things.
i hope everybody got my point of view.
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 13:45
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Gnome, the way u see politics it to general.
Life is not politics. Life is many shpongled things...just kidding...but 4 sue not politics.
The politics in this discussion are governmental.
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Gnome
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 14:10
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@nathan:
maybe i expressed myself a bit misleading...i dont see it that simple.
what i wanted to say is that our social behavior is the root of politics.
most of the sick things in this world wouldn´t happen if everybody (including governments)
would have these basic values i referred to in my first post.
maybe itz kind of a hippie attidude, but i see things like this and try to live that way!
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 14:22
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Power position Leeds to corruption. But we are getting off topic so I'll stop here.
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Stregone
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 16:59
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I think it is all about everybody's conscience...
If we want a better world, we have to be conscient and to do something to change it.
If you make music and you have political conscience, it would be cool to mix both things...
It is not because when you go to a party and you listen to the music that you have to disconnect from the world.... thi is an escape from reality...
I want to live in reality and change reality and maybe the music will not change much, but I'll surely give it a chance.
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