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The real problem of the scene today
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 02:52
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On 2007-11-30 01:31, Galaxian wrote:
Hey Mike, maybe it's not supposed to be business? You're a materialist definately...
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It's still not a reason to make a fool out of yourself.
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After all, if u find a grammar mistake or info writted in bad english for Iboga release or any other label who makes a lot of money you have a beer from me 
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There's perfection, and there's a minimal level of English to keep your respect intact. Some texts don't even reach that level.
For example, I know that I am no English professor and sometimes I feel that what I wrote sounds a bit stupid, so instead of posting it just like that (especially in serious discussions) I ask a native English speaker on msn if it's the correct way to say it. It wasn't that hard. 
btw - Hoegaarden please.
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uvego
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 02:55
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 03:25
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I agree, but the only reason I won't check the previews for something is if I'm totally sure of the style of the artist(s) it mentions...I laugh, but it's so reason not to take the music itself seriously..
It's great that psytrance is so global that these things happen 
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DJAmanita
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 06:43
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On 2007-11-30 01:31, Galaxian wrote:
Hey Mike, maybe it's not supposed to be business? You're a materialist definately...
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um selling music IS a business. Otherwise no text is needed as the artist would simply offer the music for free to anyone.
Perhaps you live in a place where people can afford to make music, and print and burn cd's also promote and distribute all for free perfectly willing to loose money hand over fist.
Most of the world does not live in such a majickal land as you.
Also pointing out truth (like selling cd is a business) does not make one ANYTHING other then a speaker of the truth. Perhaps being less judgmental of the people around you would make life a more enjoyable place for you. Let go of ego mate. Let it go. |
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nomadics
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 07:52
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hahaha. and still nothing has changed.. neither the need to educate on one end nor the butchering of simple english words on the other. I personally can't see what wrong-doing any of this has, certainly not to my own enjoyment of the music. Perhaps to the promoter.. but imo, the lesson here would go better understood by the lack of response the promoter will get from his text. There's just something intuitively distasteful about making the claim that because promoters cannot write proper english, the psy scene is being wronged. Lets not give them that much credit
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Pavel
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 09:31
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On 2007-11-30 02:19, Elad wrote:
@pavel , morfix is not realy good option
if u r israeli that speak bad english and need to write it down with morfix evry post u make is like trying to have usual person sending in japanese forum with translator , possible , but not realy good option...
anywayz i still think that atleast there can be one part of the forum for hebrew speakers , even that its international forum its also home for israeli trance (like orange page etc.) and as much its fun to feel like "educating" , i think its not best for the site itself , but my moderator days didnt started and prolly never will , so i leave the decision to the peaple in red
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Morphix is great for people that know a bit of English but need help with words that they don't remember or not sure how to spell them. Although my English is far better than my mother tongue (Russian), I keep using this site both at work when I send E-mail to my associates or at home when I post on forums.
I definitely agree with Mike as somebody who works a little bit in the marketing field. When you post a promotional text that supposed to promote your product the least that you can do is make sure it is written right. It's not that hard. When you promote a CD or DJ services or bunny hats you promote a product. And when you are doing those mistakes you are lowering the chances to sell your product. If I'd ever wanted to sell my music in Russia I'd definitely make sure that the text is checked by my parents or people that I know that know the language better. There's absolutely no excuse for such badly written texts by Israelis. For the simple reason that if they have an access to the web and they have MSN Messenger or ICQ to ask their friends and they also have Firefox 2 that has a built in spell checker and also Morphix that is very handy in times when you don't know how to write consciousness properly.
Maybe it doesn't mean anything to you. But I will never check the music by artists that their promo is so badly written. They are either kids or not serious enough about their work.
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Galaxian
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 12:33
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On 2007-11-30 06:43, DJAmanita wrote:
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On 2007-11-30 01:31, Galaxian wrote:
Hey Mike, maybe it's not supposed to be business? You're a materialist definately...
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um selling music IS a business. Otherwise no text is needed as the artist would simply offer the music for free to anyone.
Perhaps you live in a place where people can afford to make music, and print and burn cd's also promote and distribute all for free perfectly willing to loose money hand over fist.
Most of the world does not live in such a majickal land as you.
Also pointing out truth (like selling cd is a business) does not make one ANYTHING other then a speaker of the truth. Perhaps being less judgmental of the people around you would make life a more enjoyable place for you. Let go of ego mate. Let it go.
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i guess ur right. music really became business over the years.and i dont live in a magical land of any sort. wish i do...but i dont! i am man just like you or anybody else...man i think u get me all wrong cause i dont feel and dont act like a judge at all...maybe my statement sounded like that, but thats my point of view.
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 17:21
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On 2007-11-30 02:55, uvego wrote:
Mike, i think you have a real problem with those texts
dont you have better job to do, than reading promo teksts 
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haha I didn't even remember writing that stuff.
Anyway, it really bothers me. And it never gets any better. Besides, each time the topic was a bit different.
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 20:56
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guess we could all use a phonics monkey!!
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Dec 1, 2007 21:48
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Music and bussiness don't go together because music is life, hearth, soul and bliss...bussiness is bullshit, money, chaos, material etc...how can you combine something from the hearth with bullshit or bussiness?
For me being true and speaking of the truth and being modest and trying to promote yourself in a true, respective and kind way and makes the person a real artist!
If i read like in psyshop this artist has been making music since he was 16 and now he has reached levels unkown to mankind blablabla then you listen to the music and it's the same crap all over again and again! So now i don't even read the bullshit i listen to the music and decide if it's good enough for me or not. For me a true artists gives me words which reflect his music perfectly and when i read what he has to say and then listen to the music and it's exaclty reflecting his words then wow i say this person is special! Oh how i wish all the music to be true!
Boom :)
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psyaddict
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Posted : Dec 2, 2007 00:19
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Very interesting and encouraging thread.......As the marketing manager for Shivlink Records I always make it a point to write in good english.... It is nice to see that there are people out there who appreciate these finer efforts!
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If the artist/label don't give a shit about what they write, it portrays them as being not serious. Maybe they are also not serious about the music?
I agree with the above. A label has its duties and in order to ensure that an artist is well promoted, the information abt him/her must be correctly communicated! |
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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 17:52
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I would like to present a good engrish promotion text who chooses easy and correct description of the music.
Yamabikaya - The Arrival
The debut album of the Japanese group Yamabikaya and the first freestyle cd from Shiva Space Tech.
The alians are landed. No words to describe no music to compare. 8 excellent unreleased experimental psy-trance tracks.
Released: December 2000
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/sst/sst1cd008.html Buy it before it dissapears for ever. This is seriously good music people!!!
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Galaxian
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 22:36
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pinkE
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 23:29
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Personally I find this thread very vein and condescending.
The Trance scene consists of a wide variety of people from different backgrounds and cultures. This enable this forum to be a tribal media and give the chance to everybody to have an equal say about issues regarding this scene. This includes of course people who have Dyslectics and people who couldn't afford high and/or good education. This kind of approach is an arrogant example of people who think that only the articulate persons among us have the right to express themselves.
I do agree that meaningless texts which involves statements without any significant content is not the ideal way to express one self but EVERYONE deserves to have a voice here, and creating a hierarchy of worthy and intelligent statement makes this the elite and posh society the Trance scene was at least trying to avoid which for me, is a far more serious problem of todays scene.
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Galaxian
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Posted : Dec 5, 2007 02:10
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