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The Muzik or the Drug....!!!

Jeller
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 18:38
off course it is amazing withhout the drugs, but the drugs give it an extra dimension and not only for goa, but for every kind of music

i don't think psytrance is the most psychedelic genre out there.. some is very psychedelic and other trance isn't psychedelic at all

so stupid to link it with drugs
Filzbiber


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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 18:49
It's that simple:

Drugs change your perception. Therefore the music sounds different when you're on drugs. That doesn't mean that music sounds better with drugs. I mean if you listen to music you don't like on drugs, it won't sound better. In fact it will sound even worse, cause you got a broader perception (on some drugs, others just shut your perception down).
So maybe some people are just not able to transfer new impressions they've got on drugs into their real live.
Because to me, psychedelic music doesn't sound less good or less psychedelic when I'm sober but just different. But I get an idea what it sounded like when I was tripping.

What I'm trying to say is: Psychedelic substances don't improve any music. But good music certainly enhances a psychedelic experience (with or without drugs).

People sometimes mix things a little bit up when it comes to this topic.

Stay high (on whatever you want, incl. your sobriety)

Greetz
Filzbiber

EDIT:
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On 2006-10-09 18:38, Jeller wrote:
but the drugs give it an extra dimension


You just put it together in one sentence
whether this extra dimension is good or bad or makes music sounds better or worse depends on set, setting, substance, music etc.etc.
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 18:54
Music sounds differently while tripping on a substance like LSD, Mushrooms ... And that’s exactly what makes it so great. It's like the key reason of why psychedelic trance and psychedelic substances go hand in hand. A creator of a psychedelic trance track (IE.) will produce his track with this fact in mind. What sounds like A while sober, can sound like the whole fucking alphabet on acid.

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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 18:57
Quote:

On 2006-10-09 18:35, Filzbiber wrote:
Coffee lifts you up, Coffee is addictive, you can die from Caffeine.

Why should it not be considered a drug?


But I'm hijacking again a thread into drug-topics, so shame on me. I apologize

PS: it's not the drug that is light or hard, it's your handling that is light or hard.

Greetz
Filzbiber




I did not say Coffee is not a drug.. Please try to understand what I wrote, at least read it!           www.iono-music.com
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:04
Quote:

On 2006-10-09 18:57, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
I did not say Coffee is not a drug.. Please try to understand what I wrote, at least read it!


I did. And I also read:
Quote:

my point was that the "drugz" in the thread title wasn't meant to include ALL the socially accepted drugs etc. It wasn't "the music or the coffee" ... thats all I'm saying... this is a pretty useless turn the debate took there.


The way you took the title of this topic, it should have been "the music or illegal drugs"
Sorry if I'm a little bit fussy on this
AAAND... i think this debate is pretty useless anyway...

Greetz
Filzbiber

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On 2006-10-09 18:54, psytones wrote:
What sounds like A while sober, can sound like the whole fucking alphabet on acid.


Forward and backwards in all scripts known and unknown to mankind at the same time
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NoxLupi
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:29
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On 2006-10-08 17:23, dirty 1 wrote:
i disagree completely.
popular conscensus from parties where most drugs are consumed is the fact that music sounds better on them.
most artists i know need coffee or smoke to keep them going(there may be exceptions,but not many who can freely get these things)
why was albert hoffmans 100th birthday recently celebrated if psychedelics and psychedelic music arent connected.

anyway,lets agree to disagree.


What a load of bullshit.. your a disgrace to the scene if you ask me!

Drugs and trance has nothing to do with each other! there is drugs in all of the music industry! Rock&Roll, POP, RNB, RAP, Metal etc.. you name it!

The reason that drugs seams to be related to trance is in the beginning the Media stated that people in trance party's where on drugs! and they where right! but the same where true for rock concerts and Reggae! but there was more focus on the trance scene in the media (probably because people where different, they dance like they are high and stuff so it looks like everyone is on drugs)! which resulted in people that where curious about drugs rushed to the trance scene! its not the music that made them take the drugs!

Second! Psychedelic is a term of atmosphere and behavior! and its also used in other music genres! like Psychedelic Rock & Jazz

BTW.. Drugs are killing the scene! why.. because where there's drugs there's criminals: Pushers & gangsters etc..
and ofcourse sick psycho assholes! which makes allot of people flee from the scene! and its a known fact that Famous Artists has stopped playing in various places because of this! So don't state that drugs and trance belongs together! and if you do... Well then you just don't understand jack about community!!!
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Filzbiber


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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:35
Quote:

On 2006-10-09 19:29, NoxLupi wrote:
BTW.. Drugs are killing the scene! why.. because where there's drugs there's criminals: Pushers & gangsters etc..


Yeah, but only because most drugs are abandoned and forbidden. If drugs were legal, there wouldn't be drug-related crime.

There were no (or hardly any) drug-problems before there were drug-laws.

PLUS psychedelics and music (or art in general) go hand in hand. always have and always will. they're like an old couple. they go for their own sometimes for a while or with some people forever. or maybe more like siblings. not always side by side but belonging to the same family.

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dirty 1

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:36
i think some people here need to pop a pill and chill.

and whats wrong with being a disgrace...enjoy it!



NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:49
Quote:

On 2006-10-09 19:35, Filzbiber wrote:

PLUS psychedelics and music (or art in general) go hand in hand. always have and always will. they're like an old couple. they go for their own sometimes for a while or with some people forever. or maybe more like siblings. not always side by side but belonging to the same family.

Greetz
Filzbiber




Bye psychedelics.. you mean drugs?
Art and drugs has nothing to do with eachother! drugs block your instinct and control, and blurs your imagination! and those are the tools you need to be crative in a constuctive way! now peops may clame that they are more focused when they are high. but thats just a feeling! it aint fact! fore shure.. i have a freind who had been trying to make music like this for 15 years! and it still sounds like shit! here i must state that he has alot of talent but his art is far out and totaly out of control. so i dont se a relation here.           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:56
Quote:

On 2006-10-09 19:36, dirty 1 wrote:
i think some people here need to pop a pill and chill.

and whats wrong with being a disgrace...enjoy it!







I cant chill. i get a wee bit pissed at this message (Music and drugs go hand in hand)! cause it actualy says that people that like trance are crack heads! And i aint no crack head! its a bussiness, Lifestile & a hobby to me!

I however doo respect your cool laid back respons! that i just have to give ya..           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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Filzbiber


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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 19:56
I didn't say you can better make music (or paint or write etc.) when you're on drugs. but many many masterpieces in art were inspired by psychedelic substances.

I would go that far and tell, since there was consciousness, there has been use of mind altering substances.

go ask hieronymus bosch, salvador dali, lemmy, roger waters, john lennon, robert anton wilson, wolfgang amadeus mozart, aso.           Eve&Rave @ your Party
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NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 20:07
Quote:

go ask hieronymus bosch, salvador dali, lemmy, roger waters, john lennon, robert anton wilson, wolfgang amadeus mozart, aso.



You have there address?

They didn't make good music because of the drugs! they took the drug because it was new and interesting.. btw most of them started using drugs AFTER they got famous!           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 20:07
Just think how boring and grey our world would have been with 0 drugs/psychedelics. God's greatest gift.
NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 20:10
Go asked the junkey on the street courner if he could sing you a song, dance, or paint you a masterpeice...
just becouse one that once made somthing (John Lennen for instance) used drugs dosnt make his art related to the drug. hell he properbly didnt write anything usefull while on them!           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 20:11

Stop looking at your finger.
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