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The Muzik or the Drug....!!!

NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 23:44
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On 2006-10-09 23:17, Filzbiber wrote:
@NoxLupi
mate, let's have a beer together (which is also a drug)

You should really check out Bill Hicks. I guess you would like it.

What I'm trying to say is: Drugs and their influences are always and everywhere. Be it the coffee you drink in the morning, your black tea in the evening (or of anyone else's if you're REALLY SOBER, but I think that's impossible ) me tripping on acid on a party, or lemmy drinking whiskey before he goes on stage. They were there when Machu Piccu was built, they were there when the DNA was discovered (Koch thanked Albert Hoffmann after he received the Nobel-Prize) and they will when mankind will colonize mars.

But this doesn't mean (and now we're closing the circle and get back to topic) the substance did it, enhanced it or declined it.
Nor does it mean music sounds better with/without drugs. It's just a catalyzer that transforms an input (and therefore also affects one's output).

Maybe RAWs Illumantus would be better if they weren't high on acid when they wrote it. Probably I wouldn't have had (god how complicated, is this proper english) to make a break each now and then and smoke a joint reflecting on what I just read to understand it.

But sorry, it's late and I'm getting stoned and extravagating.

So just enjoy your music, with or without drugs and don't try to convince your fellow-trancer it's better either this way or that way

ONE LOVE
Filzbiber




Im not trying to convince wich is better.. just that they dont relate or belong together.. what ever.. im glad you got tied of this conversation.. becouse so am i.. cheers Mate! and yes beer is a drug! but trust me... you dont want me making music while influenced on it           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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xrust
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 23:45
Filzbiber
sorry man,you want to tell me that lsd is not burning your brain???

proove it mate and i will lick 3 drops RIGHT NOW

as about the "common sense "think,i am not quite shure if am geting you but what i meant is that most of us have swallow an xtc or lick a drop at least once(maybe twice ) in our lives and ,at least for me,ohhh yes,it makes the musik sounds better for shure.this was heading mostly to noxlupi(but on the other hand i quited the because i want to know what i am listening to a party and to be aware if i like it or not)

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NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 23:51
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On 2006-10-09 23:45, X_RUST wrote:
Filzbiber
sorry man,you want to tell me that lsd is not burning your brain???

proove it mate and i will lick 3 drops RIGHT NOW

as about the "common sense "think,i am not quite shure if am geting you but what i meant is that most of us have swallow an xtc or lick a drop at least once(maybe twice ) in our lives and ,at least for me,ohhh yes,it makes the musik sounds better for shure.this was heading mostly to noxlupi(but on the other hand i quited the because i want to know what i am listening to a party and to be aware if i like it or not)

besides,sunday is a very beautiful day




Some drugs dont damage you physicely! but that dosnt make them less dangrous! some can leed to extream dipression! wich can be just as bad as a physical brain damage!           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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xrust
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 00:03
all drugs are bad,one way or another.some makes you nervous,some makes you zombie,someothers make you halucinating etc etc..

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NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 00:09
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On 2006-10-10 00:03, X_RUST wrote:
all drugs are bad,one way or another.some makes you nervous,some makes you zombie,someothers make you halucinating etc etc..

every 12 year old child knows that




Is that what i wrote.. ?
Or did you just take my text and turned it in to somthing nonrelated and made it look foolish! this is the kind of dick respons that makes threads take stupid turns! is this somthing you injoy doing?           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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Filzbiber


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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 00:11
Quote:

On 2006-10-10 00:03, X_RUST wrote:
all drugs are bad,one way or another.some makes you nervous,some makes you zombie,someothers make you halucinating etc etc..

every 12 year old child knows that




That's simply wrong. That's like saying "all cars will kill you sooner or later" just because you hear of all the car accidents all the time. I just can point out my signature and the links in it.
The most effective prevention of drug ABuse is information.

As NoxLupi said, acid doesn't endanger your body or brain, but can release latent psychosis.

Now I wanna see you drop those 3 drops :-p

End of arguement!

go on discussing whether music is better with or without drugs (IMHO a stupid senseless question anyway)

I just wanna point out my signature once again

Good Night
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 03:42
Psychedelics substances have the potential to enhance the musical experience by mind blowing proportions and I think anybody that has experienced psychedelics enough will agree to that.

Simple experiment: have a joint and listen to some music. Not convinced? then try some LSD and crank the volume up. Now if by that time you still disagree then at least your opinion will come from real experience and you will actually know a little bit about what you are talking about.

Otherwise you can only judge the experience from from an outside point of view, which is valid in its own way but you will not be able to say anything about what it is to live the actual experience. It would sort of be like trying to understand the sexual experience simply by reading a book.


NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 04:28
I have Experimentet with drugs! and nope music dosnt sound better.. YOU THINK IT DOS! same as you think that girl looks good but when you wake up. i mean realy wake up you will se that nothing changed. it was only you and you alone. well thats my opinion. bare with me its a bit late

No im not High just tied..           Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 05:38
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music dosnt sound better.. YOU THINK IT DOS!"



Care to explain the difference?

Like is there a mathematical equation you can use to test whether the music really sounds better for real? LOL

And you say you have experienced music with drugs, which sounds pretty vague not to mention the absurdity of throwing every substance no matter how different into the same basket. Would be like going to the pharmacy blind folded and picking randomly any medicine to cure a specific illness you have. Hope you can at least detect how absurd this is.

And no ofense but much of what you say sounds parroted straight from those lame antidrug comercials that are bombarded everywhere, yeah my guess is you do not have much personal experience >>AT ALL<< with psychedelics.

Dude, anybody with suficient experience with psychedelics will tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the music while tripping can be the most fantastic, original and out of this world music you have ever heard. There is no ambiguity about this, the bottom line is the only people that have doubs about this are the people that have never really done much tripping.
Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 06:21
^^When I said care to explain the differance I was assuming you were talking about the musical experience, as if you were saying that the music you are hearing with your inner psychedelic ears under the influcence is not actually as good. But now I realize that you may simply have been talking about the fact that the audio signal or wave is exactly the same and the only thing that changes is perception. Is that it? Perhaps then our antenas turn on with psychedelics, who knows. But regardless of that music appreciation has to do with how awake and perceptive our inner ears are anyways, its ART and its beauty has a lot to do also with the eye of the beholder.
NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 12:47
Aluxe. I know i sound like a real AntiDote in my last post! wich was on perpose and ment a bit as a joke. I have tried difrent psycedelics but i do not care to tell the story in detail as to wich ones in particular and exactly what experience i got out of it! And yes its hard to say the actual experience was bad! caurse it was not, you feel realy good in manny expects! Light tinkles music sounds amazing and you feel like tuching everyone! the main thing is that my last replaye wasnt very serius i should have made that a bit more obvious sorry about that!

But in all of my posts exept that last one: i do not state that music dos not sound better on drugs. i just say that they dont relate!
You can choose to combine them. but it dosnt mean that they belong together or where ment for eachother. thats all im defending..

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xrust
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 16:13
Quote:

On 2006-10-10 00:09, NoxLupi wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-10-10 00:03, X_RUST wrote:
all drugs are bad,one way or another.some makes you nervous,some makes you zombie,someothers make you halucinating etc etc..

every 12 year old child knows that




Is that what i wrote.. ?
Or did you just take my text and turned it in to somthing nonrelated and made it look foolish! this is the kind of dick respons that makes threads take stupid turns! is this somthing you injoy doing?



man
first of all, i dint took any of your text ,i just made a statement,no purpose of make you look like fool or something like that.but lets see it a little moretell me if i am wrong but i am almost shure that EVERY kind of drug(from pure weed until heroin)has some consequences...from rotten teeths and destroyed skin ...to paranoia,psychosis ,death.

tell me,am i wrong at that?because that was what I WROTE!

@filzbiber:mate,stating that acid does not endanger your body and brain,as noxlupi said,does not convincing me.try eat these 3 drops first,and then eat some more ,and then some more and come to tell me that your brain is not fryed...i thought that the fact that LSD is frying your mind was one of the domestic principals in the planet...
and sorry if you consider my previous post "dick responce" man,i just said my opinion through my personal experience

peace
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 16:22
Once again, a big applause to Aluxe and his understanding. Amigo, go and write a book. I think we all would benefit from it.
NoxLupi
Nox Lupi

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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 17:27
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On 2006-10-10 16:13, X_RUST wrote:
man
first of all, i dint took any of your text ,i just made a statement,no purpose of make you look like fool or something like that.but lets see it a little moretell me if i am wrong but i am almost shure that EVERY kind of drug(from pure weed until heroin)has some consequences...from rotten teeths and destroyed skin ...to paranoia,psychosis ,death.

tell me,am i wrong at that?because that was what I WROTE!

@filzbiber:mate,stating that acid does not endanger your body and brain,as noxlupi said,does not convincing me.try eat these 3 drops first,and then eat some more ,and then some more and come to tell me that your brain is not fryed...i thought that the fact that LSD is frying your mind was one of the domestic principals in the planet...
and sorry if you consider my previous post "dick responce" man,i just said my opinion through my personal experience

peace




apology excepted! maybe i should say Sorry for misunderstanding! though your text there is easy to mistranslate..

But the rest is not for me to answer sence I'm not saying its not dangerous!

Peace!
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Filzbiber


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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:14
@X-Rust
Everything has consequences, even posting in a forum.

You can also die of an overdose of salt. You even can drink water until your erythrocytes burst and then you die too.

It is a scientific fact that LSD is non-toxic. The only risks are those in hidden in your soul and mind which you bring yourself.

Of course, if you take 10drops a weekend and do that constantly over some time, you will lose track of yourself and "reality". But hey, it's as with cars: Nobody tells you to go 250km/h in rush-hour. If you do that, maybe you deserve ending as a red spot on the pavement or as a freaked out loony.

BTW you like black tea? Cause it contains theine which is also a drug. But nobody would ever tell that black tea is dangerous. It's all about propaganda.

If you want to know about the REAL dangers of drug-consume you should inform yourself ( http://www.erowid.org http://www.maps.org http://www.thedrugwiki.org http://www.eve-rave.net/misc/inetguide.html ) or just leave the discussion to people who know what they're talking about. Please do not take this offence, but obviously all the knowledge you have about drugs is from the street, newspaper or television.

PEACE
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