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The Muzik or the Drug....!!!
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Shanti Jatra
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 02:18
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hari ohm.........
often we hear peeps sayin.... the muzik is lame without the d***.... of course we know the d*** is a step to get into the muzik....
the d*** has opposite reactions without the muzik and mother nature....
how long can u trip on the muzik without the d***.... (as in a party)
we dont need the d*** for the muzik..... trance is a part of our lives anyways... its flowin in the mind and the blood....
i and my fellow brothers are in a place where we dont have the d****...... the muzik is all we need......
how much energy can you send without d***.....? physically we tend to tire down..... any solutions of survival for long energy or anythign related......???????
red bull cannot be considered an answer please......
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Serag
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 03:10
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love for the muzik |
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Mark 87
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 05:46
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Krell
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 07:48
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Becoming tired is not a problem, because then you go to sleep, and your free to keep on dreaming about music or partying if you want to.
The solution, when your tired, is to sleep. If its a festival, you can go party again when you wake up.
To be honest, I dont think its about partying all the time or listening to trance inducing music all the time.
Its about the quality of the experience, not the length. The two can of course be connected, but Id rather have 4 hours of REALLY good dancing/trancing, than 24 hours of mediocre partying.
With or without drugs, I dont care. Its not the drugs which create a good experience for me, its the music and the people. (Note, its the same which will fuck up a potentially good experience for me also).
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 09:11
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this is a never ending arguement. Everyone here will place music first, as we're all init for the music and its the music that's opening minds. the d's here act as a catalyst. I mean, its psychedelic music we're all into, and a psychedelic experience more often than not comes under the influence of mind altering substances!
Ask yourself, howmany times have you been to a party or festival and not taken any d's???
the solution is to be 'into' the music totally, loosing yourself in the music is what becomes easier on a drug. if you can capture the same state of mind (ofcoarse its not gonna be exactly the same, as this is not chemical oriented) then maybe you can dance with higher energy levels. Meditation can help a lot of people, Osho's kindalini excercise is a good example.
also, beer.. if you dont consider it to be a substance really, is a great option. it dosent really make you drunk drunk and gives you a lot of pep.
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Krell
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 09:59
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On 2006-07-15 09:11, Forest dreams wrote:
loosing yourself in the music is what becomes easier on a drug.
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For me, its even easier sober, because I can focus more.
Ive often experienced, on LSD, that time speeds up and then slows down again and again, and I can hear the musics pitch go up and down.
When this happens, I cant aprreciate the music, and I cant enter a trance.
I think, you cant generalize for all of us like you do.
Only that its easier to loose yourself on drugs than sober ;-)
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 10:16
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On 2006-07-15 09:11, Forest dreams wrote:
loosing yourself in the music is what becomes easier on a drug.
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For me, its even easier sober, because I can focus more.
Ive often experienced, on LSD, that time speeds up and then slows down again and again, and I can hear the musics pitch go up and down.
When this happens, I cant aprreciate the music, and I cant enter a trance.
I think, you cant generalize for all of us like you do.
Only that its easier to loose yourself on drugs than sober ;-)
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Im not considering loosing it on music when youre playing... im speaking about this side of the speakers when youre dancing.
and I guess I can generalize on that one, really, what is it that makes a drug happen? its the groove that everyone finds. I can see what you're implying on cid, but thats just one part of the trip.. when its at its pinnacle, one can become the music on acid.. and I guess thats why its called a trip. now, take mdma for instance, it just makes you dance, gets you into the groove, gives you energy, makes you love the moment, you concentrate on the music when youre dancing, as the effect increases you loose it more and more... and that explains why some people close their eyes when they dance...
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 11:52
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For me it's the music and the Acid combined, of course i understand what people mean when they say they do not need drugs to get into the music but you cannot compare the experiences as one is Surreal and the other is real...I prefer both
Boom :)
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Krell
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 11:53
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On 2006-07-15 09:11, Forest dreams wrote:
loosing yourself in the music is what becomes easier on a drug.
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For me, its even easier sober, because I can focus more.
Ive often experienced, on LSD, that time speeds up and then slows down again and again, and I can hear the musics pitch go up and down.
When this happens, I cant aprreciate the music, and I cant enter a trance.
I think, you cant generalize for all of us like you do.
Only that its easier to loose yourself on drugs than sober ;-)
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Im not considering loosing it on music when youre playing... im speaking about this side of the speakers when youre dancing.
and I guess I can generalize on that one, really, what is it that makes a drug happen? its the groove that everyone finds. I can see what you're implying on cid, but thats just one part of the trip.. when its at its pinnacle, one can become the music on acid.. and I guess thats why its called a trip. now, take mdma for instance, it just makes you dance, gets you into the groove, gives you energy, makes you love the moment, you concentrate on the music when youre dancing, as the effect increases you loose it more and more... and that explains why some people close their eyes when they dance...
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Well, I understand that is the way it is for you. You and me however, are not the same.
A trip is a voyage. Everybody doesnt need drugs to trip.
Its not that I dont recognize and understand what you say, its just that its not the "absolute truth", not for me, and not for everyone else. Its "your truth", which applies to yourself.
You know, I will dance with my eyes shut often when Im sober as well. Its happened on more than one occation that people ask me "what are you on?", and I tell them "nothing".. which they often dont believe.
People dont believe, what they do not know, see and experience for themselves. I think, that is sad.
The thing is, the music induces a trance when you know how to listen and exploit it... and stuff happens to you when you sync your body to music and dance... Ive become very good at that, so good that I dont need LSD or any other stimulant to "take me places", or to help me "connect with the music", "Let myself be blown away" or whatever you want to call it.
Perhaps whats important is not the effect of the drug, but the state of the mind. If you "need" drugs to achieve the right state of mind, thats ok.
I dont, and I think its pretty important not to generalize over that drugs are an essential part of everybodys experience... Because they are not. Also, making that a general rule will cloud the knowledge on how to achieve these experiences without the aid of a narcotic or simulant other than the music & the mind.
Sure, you can give some novice MDMA and put them on the dance floor, and they will tell you its all Sooooo perfect, and everything is right - Now they TRUELY understand the music, and they are so happy for this new relevation of the mind (same thing happens with LSD, though more often coupled with the arrogant and slightly paranoid concept of "us & them").
This response however, you will also see when you present them to other music they like, or let them indulge in other activities, like sex.
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For me, sex on LSD is so fantastic that comparing "normal" sex to "LSD Sex" is like comparing flower to bred.
Still, I know this is not because LSD on sex is a must.. it wont make me understand sex better either, its not a more true sexual experience. It is, however, an experience in its own right.
You dont need LSD to have a sexual experience, just like you dont need drugs to have a psychedelic experience.
If done correctly, "normal sex" can be as good as "lsd sex" - but that takes more of an effort, skill & wisdom.
Using drugs, in order to achieve the experience, is a short cut for the novice.
If I do drugs, I do it for the effect of the drugs, not for the music. Still, while Im on drugs, I will usually want to listen to music.
For me, its the music that works for the drugs, and not the drugs that work for the music. I think, on this point, we will agree.
The question then is, how to make the musical experience just as "complete" without the drug.
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 13:35
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If done correctly, "normal sex" can be as good as "lsd sex" - but that takes more of an effort, skill & wisdom.
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yes, the drug is present because of the music and not the other way round. its almost easily available for most of us, and easily gets us a very good experience.. maybe because we havent tried anyother way to get to the same level. maybe at an experience level, they both go well with each othr. but thats all there is to it, its not real, but our mind is. its bettar to look at it as just a tool to momentarily enhance your experience.. and yes, there are bettar ways to enhance this experience.. without doing substances... all you need is an open mind.
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If I do drugs, I do it for the effect of the drugs, not for the music. Still, while Im on drugs, I will usually want to listen to music.
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totally agree...
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Shanti Jatra
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 15:19
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nice discussion n nice points stated there.... true and practical in ur view points.....
but solution not recd yet.........
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The tRip Is!!
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 15:41
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interesting topic... wud b chekin on every post made here...
Otha things aside ... wat my fren here wants to know is... is der any alternative to d... that is legal and can give u some kind of Energy in parties... ofcourse the music has got its own vibes... but sumthin material??
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Shanti Jatra
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 15:48
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hari ohm baba.........
@the trip is has understood the need of the hour..... the muzikal vibes are there...... but...........
boom baba......
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 16:29
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On 2006-07-15 15:19, membrain_cell wrote:
but solution not recd yet.........
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On 2006-07-15 09:11, Forest dreams wrote:
beer.. if you dont consider it to be a substance really, is a great option. it dosent really make you drunk drunk and gives you a lot of pep.
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