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The Muzik or the Drug....!!!
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Nobita
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 17:58
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The musical experience can be complete without the drug, that is incontestable. One doesn't need psychoactives to appreciate music fully and to have a blast a party (this I know from personal experience).
But the psychedelic musical experience needs both agents to be in the mix. Some moments you forget about the music and focus on the other aspects of the experience, and marvel and become immersed into the mind's various manifestations that are brought forward by the psychedelic. When was the last time a bit of music alone disolved your ego?
The assumption is that we are always looking for a purely musical experience and this is not true of all.
When partying sober, breathing in generous quantities of air helps, also minimizing one's movements so as not to become exhausted to fast is usefull. The most important is maintaining an energetic and positive state of mind.
Anyway is there really such a thing as partying sober? Sooner or later the endorphins kick in 
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Krell
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 19:49
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On 2006-07-15 17:58, Nobita wrote:
But the psychedelic musical experience needs both agents to be in the mix.
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Perhaps it does for you, I dont know. Perhaps you are just not disciplined enough in the way you let yourself react to music inside your mind?
However, I can state from my own experiences that, what you say, is untrue for me, and therefore conclude, that your statement as such is untrue as long is it spans everybody in general.
YOU cant enrich yourself with psychedelic experiences purely through Psychedelic Trance, but I can... Therefore others can as well (YAY, Were Lucky!!!! - The Chosen ones - Sent from God - Much Much MUUUCH bettter than you!!! <- Just kidding)
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On 2006-07-15 17:58, Nobita wrote:
Some moments you forget about the music and focus on the other aspects of the experience, and marvel and become immersed into the mind's various manifestations that are brought forward by the psychedelic. When was the last time a bit of music alone disolved your ego?
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You dont have to have your ego disolved in order for you to have a psychedelic experience. The key to a psychedelic experience is moving into new areas of your mind and perception of reality as such.
This I can achieve on no drugs whatsoever, I have entered trance states which were deep enough for me to have a tunnel vision sensation coupled with the sensation of numbness in my body. Thoughts, time, everything changed... The music had taken control of my reality, even though I was still able to manipulate it.
Other things have happened, feelings rushing through my mind, partial dream states like daydreaming, feelings of being complete(d) - Many sensations which remind me of a comedown from an LSD trip. I dont even need a big party of that, just headphones, good soundquality and most importantly a playlist featuring the best tracks for me).
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On 2006-07-15 17:58, Nobita wrote:
The assumption is that we are always looking for a purely musical experience and this is not true of all.
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I would say that if you do LSD, you are looking for a psychedelic experience. That much is sure
So, doing LSD and listening to music will, of course, give you a psychedelic experience coupled with music aimed at being conductive to a psychedelic experience.
The drug does not need the music to be psychedelic, nor does the music need a psychedelic drug. However, both the drug and the music need the human mind to create experiences - Thats where it all intersects.
So - No, we are not always looking for a "purely musical experience", we are looking to interact with the music, in our minds - Where the stimulants (music and/or/either drugs) intersect with each other and the mind to create the psychedelic experience which we want.
This is true, regardless of a drug being in the mix, or not.
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On 2006-07-15 17:58, Nobita wrote:
When partying sober, breathing in generous quantities of air helps, also minimizing one's movements so as not to become exhausted to fast is usefull. The most important is maintaining an energetic and positive state of mind.
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Still, if you want that "runners high" feeling, with the endorphines, you will need to shake that ass You wont get your body in trance unless you move with the groove.
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On 2006-07-15 17:58, Nobita wrote:
Anyway is there really such a thing as partying sober? Sooner or later the endorphins kick in
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Are we ever sober ?
So, Nobita, Im sorry if you havent tried it yet... and Im sorry I dont have a pill or piece of cardboard for you to eat so you can try it. I guess, you just have to try untill it works, or stick with the stimulants Both are fine with me.
People are apparently different (Im shocked), some NEED it, some dont. I dont, but still, I might still fool around with it
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Nobita
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 20:18
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On 2006-07-15 19:49, Krell wrote:
You dont have to have your ego disolved in order for you to have a psychedelic experience. The key to a psychedelic experience is moving into new areas of your mind and perception of reality as such.
This I can achieve on no drugs whatsoever, I have entered trance states which were deep enough for me to have a tunnel vision sensation coupled with the sensation of numbness in my body. Thoughts, time, everything changed... The music had taken control of my reality, even though I was still able to manipulate it.
Other things have happened, feelings rushing through my mind, partial dream states like daydreaming, feelings of being complete(d) - Many sensations which remind me of a comedown from an LSD trip. I dont even need a big party of that, just headphones, good soundquality and most importantly a playlist featuring the best tracks for me).
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Maybe you're not disciplined enough to create the music directly in your head?
(One could argue that you don't need the tracks to have a musical experience, just take a bit of acid and you'll hear symphonies if you pay attention. )
But more on the point, it's great that you can go so far with the help of your ears, I exempt you from my sweeping generalization
But for most (I think), attending to a musical event sober tends to focus one's attention on the music and it's appreciation (and not on tunnel vision or lsd-like hallcuinations), and this is not what everyone is seeking exclusively all the time.
Some don't need the drugs to party, some don't need the music, some don't need the people. But for most all three is the winning cocktail, why sanctify one of it's ingredients over the other?
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Krell
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 21:25
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On 2006-07-15 20:18, Nobita wrote:
Maybe you're not disciplined enough to create the music directly in your head?
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Funny you should mention that, we were just talking about this in another topic
Quote Myself : http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/92020/forum/1
"When I dream, however, all the music Ive heard is merged into a continuous mix, splitting up elements and themes from tracks and putting them into new composistions.. Always sounds completely awesome, and most often happens when Im about to wake up, sort of a lucid dream state..
That I love "
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On 2006-07-15 20:18, Nobita wrote:
(One could argue that you don't need the music to have a musical experience, just take a bit of acid and you'll hear symphonies if you pay attention. )
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I would support that arguement, nature has its own music at times also. At the very least the ambient noise of the surroundings, often calming in nature. Birds singing, their melodies are quite fucked up, thats for sure
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On 2006-07-15 20:18, Nobita wrote:
But more on the point, it's great that you can go so far with the help of your ears, I exempt you from my sweeping generalization
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Thanks :-D
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On 2006-07-15 20:18, Nobita wrote:
But for most (I think), attending to a musical event sober tends to focus one's attention on the music and it's appreciation (and not on tunnel vision or lsd-like hallcuinations), and this is not what everyone is seeking exclusively all the time.
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Well - 3 things are important
No 1 is that you need to be able to focus, so people wanting to talk and so forth might rob one of ones focus.
No 2 is that you need to connect with the music physicly or reactively at some point, at least for me, dancing does the trick - but it could be something else as well, the important thing is letting yourself react to the music physicly.
No 3 very very very good music I think, thats really the most important item on the checklist.
When this is achieved, my conscioussness will change by itself. If I cant achieve this, I dont have a good reason to be at the event (Which probably explains why I dont really go to that many parties).
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On 2006-07-15 20:18, Nobita wrote:
Some don't need the drugs to party, some don't need the music, some don't need the people. But for most all three is the winning cocktail, why sanctify one of it's ingredients over the other?
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Like I wrote earlier, both approaches are enriching experiences no matter what. I would not put one over the other, I have a clarity of mind while sober that I cannot achieve elsewhere, but the LSD and/or/both MDMA experience is just as special as well.
For some time I was puzzled by this, because first when I started listening to psy I didnt do any drugs and I had many good experiences with the music, then after 4 years of not doing drugs I tried mushrooms and quickly went on to mdma, lsd etc. Like most other people I had loads of fun using those drugs at parties, and I danced my ass off - I think I was on something at most events during that time period... Then, I started going sober again, and I found I had just as good and sometimes even better times whilst not on drugs. It is still a bit puzzling for me, since Im not really the kinda person who feels that comfortable in big crowds, so doing drugs put me at ease (especially mdma).
These days, I keep most of my drugged experiences at home, or only with a few people in nature.. At festivals I might do some LSD or whatever, but very often I feel it doesnt do that much for me in that environment... Much better at home, somewhere safe, somewhere were I dont run the risk of being exposed to MTV Vocal driven Full On, since that can really flip my trip negatively. (Festivals are better, since its easier to escape).
So - What Im trying to say is, I dont sanctify an ingredient over the other. I will do whatever I feel suits the moment. My motivation for pointing all this out is that theres no reason to have to create a general consensus that you cant fully use and enjoy psychedelic trance without drugs. Why do people keep doing it then? EVEN when they are presented to the facts by people like me ? That truely is interesting Yes, really, it is very interesting I think
People meeting, talking about music, talking about drugs, telling each other that psychedelic drugs are a must for everyone to experience the music the right way - All who havent done it, dont know. They are all wrong... In essence, people meeting with that attitude are bonding, setting up the the illusion of "Us & Them" - creating common ground. People around them notice this, and might start doing LSD to be part of the club... Thats a negative consequence. Not good. Therefore, its a negative attitude. Or so I think Let people try out of curiousity, much better
Key to all this is keeping an open mind, which includes believing in that you dont always need a drug to unlock the secrets of the mind. But then again, Im not saying you cant, Im not saying you shouldnt, Im just saying you dont have to But its all good, I have been exempted from the rule - YAY :-D
So happy
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Nobita
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 21:55
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I agree
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minus
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 22:01
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Psychedelic Trance : musik for ppl(on) psychedelik drugs : no question about that : i.e psychedelik trance is made only for ppl on psychedelik drugs and vica versa
krell bro i can totally understand your point , that a self can totally abstain from any kind of drug , but still experience the musik in all its sense and feelings , but the thing is that people start their musical journey with taking psychedelic drugs and then eventually in time , they simply dont need the drugs any more to enjoy the musik, they can simply enjoy the musik for as it is, cause the self has the depth to see it for what it is ,in the real sense: that is it i think
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vio
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Posted : Jul 15, 2006 22:05
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well I listen all day to trance music... lately trance is the most popular music in my playlist...
it's without drugs when i listen to it in my house...
but when i go to party i want to trip and feel the full psychedellic effect.. lose myself and touch the sky
it's not a must but it's more fun like this... with drugs u can really get into "trance" state of body and mind... and without spending years of practice and studying meditation anyway this is how i feel... |
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eran m
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Posted : Jul 16, 2006 00:08
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the music is the drug!!!!!
boom
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 16, 2006 12:54
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http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/17111/forum/1
Pls .. If you want to talk on drugs so talk on drugs
But dont conceal it , or hide it always , or glue it in
to this subject or that item or this musician or that
style or to anything . Grow up ! Its a primitive act
to do , Think about ! . I think its a electronica/psy
site in here .. I can give y many othere sites for So
peoples .. (Im not writing in here as an system or
from an higher position or an stage) Its just loath
Boring , Repulsive , redundant , debilitated things
to do .. Why me as amember in here must to see it
im asking my self ? Some 1 have an answer .. ????
I think that the right one (Answer)
its to stop this topics .. and to start
think before and not let us reading
all this folly craps . Thank you .. !!!
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Mushi
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Posted : Jul 16, 2006 13:41
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yah acid
acid acid lol
give me a break I find listening to trance sober is more enjoying
while trippin u r aware of many things not just the music
and do u always need to trip to have energy to dance and have a psychdeleic expereince thats bullshit
u can end up in a mental hospital lol mdma hmmm possbily u can overdose on some fake chemical pills
just to enjoy the brightness colors and the glow sticks u need to trip to come one with many psy heads u need to trip why don't have ur real emitions
I guess many of u guys r just fake and only attach to yourself to the psychdeleic world thru the drugs and then u come complaning why is trance is realted to drugs its because of u and some bunch of artists who think lsd is cool
and we r not junkies we only smoke weed and trip we don't do other drugs we r smiling people we r one
thats a narrow path take a look at trippin from all sides not that u just enjoyed it and opened some new visions in ur life
trippin can be a dangerous thing and may trip for the rest of ur life
syd Barret only did acid he was living such an amazing life yah running naked and brushing his teeth on the road wow
the music might sound as just bunch of some weird sounds also how can u trip and stay in the same spot thats boring
while trippin u want to experience everything not just sets of trance music
thats lame
ur flash back expereince can tune in the party not trippin there unless ur trips r mellow which I don't call a an expereince
better smoke a jay then and enjoy the music
and if u r having such a heavy trip I won't think the party will be so colorful u will freak out |
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The tRip Is!!
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Posted : Jul 16, 2006 14:22
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u can end up in a mental hospital lol mdma hmmm possbily u can overdose on some fake chemical pills
wow... mdma... mental hospital... lol
thats news to me...loosin it on mdma...
hahahaaaa... |
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Shanti Jatra
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Posted : Jul 16, 2006 16:09
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@mushi.... one suggestion for you.. u should take some time and think......
Shanti Jatra Fullmoon Festival, Nepal - October 2009
www.shantijatra.com |
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psynite
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Posted : Jul 17, 2006 01:13
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all u psy baba rem one thing
"LSD is my state of mind muzik is my drug"
n im sure this applies 2 all u psy heads 2
i haven been 2 ny psy parties without a trip EVER!!!!!but now im in dxb dunno if ill get trips here so plannin 2 do somethin new let my mind open up completely 2 the muzik
usually when u at a party u busy lookin for trips or findin out wats goin on instead it would be great 2 jus focus primarly on the muzik since we there for the gatherin n not jus to do drugs we can trip in our own 4 walls its not necessary we need 2 others we can enjoy the muzik alone but company makes it all the more sweeter cause after all
SHARING IS CARING
thats wats trance is bout meetin new ppl sharin a common experience so this wed my first sober psy party so wish me luck...........
COPA'S ready or not here i come
2 go to HELL n see "Angelic" take a pinch of PSYkedellic>>>>>>>>>
BOOM BOLENATH!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Krell
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Posted : Jul 17, 2006 08:12
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On 2006-07-15 22:01, minus wrote:
but the thing is that people start their musical journey with taking psychedelic drugs
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I think you would be surprised how many people never touch drugs, or at least dont use them untill years after they started listening to the music.
Actually, most of my friends have related to psychedelic trance through that approach.
So, I think it has a lot to do with where you are from, your environment and so forth.
Other than that, I agree with all you say.
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