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the concept of HELL in psytrance
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vegetal
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Posted : Apr 4, 2007 18:19
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On 2007-04-04 14:45, Anak wrote:
the metal scene doesn't have a good reputation, but at least they are very proud of the symbols they created, of the "metal" things. they are REAL, dawg.
why is it that we have to adopt the themes from other scenes? why can't we ride our hippy wave any longer?
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What metal are you talking about?, not a good reputation? say what.
I really don´t understand your point here, just because you make aggressive music doesn´t make you a blood drinking barbarian.
Don´t you think its a natural progression that you get influenced by your surrounding.
Or are you pro-inbreeding?
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On 2007-04-04 17:13, PlutoDelic wrote:
The typical surviving instinct reaction, a consequence of music without soul.
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Hey look people *points on Plutodelic*
Its Dr.WannabeSigmundFreud!!
Everyone one throw him a bone.
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ZenMind
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Posted : Apr 4, 2007 18:40
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Apr 4, 2007 20:51
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On 2007-04-04 12:31, Dennis the menace wrote:
Not that i am satanic cuz im not, but i would really appreciate if you stick your thumb up your ass and run away on the rest of your fingers and think about your statement while doing so.
This is about music and not about relegion!
And if im wrong it would be the same as asking all jews to stop calling their music full-on or whatsoever! |
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the typical surviving instinct reaction, a consequence of music without soul.
sorry if u took it personally mate, thats not my problem
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Cmon dude, its not about religions, its about music, atleast for me and some of the others.
And if you are some kind of religious fundamentalist and can't separate your faith from the music then its your problem!
And if you think that people who listen to so called "dark psy" are satanic then you probably have some serious issues and need to seek professional help.
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Anak
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Posted : Apr 4, 2007 23:19
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On 2007-04-04 18:19, vegetal wrote:
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On 2007-04-04 14:45, Anak wrote:
the metal scene doesn't have a good reputation, but at least they are very proud of the symbols they created, of the "metal" things. they are REAL, dawg.
why is it that we have to adopt the themes from other scenes? why can't we ride our hippy wave any longer?
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What metal are you talking about?, not a good reputation? say what.
I really don´t understand your point here, just because you make aggressive music doesn´t make you a blood drinking barbarian.
Don´t you think its a natural progression that you get influenced by your surrounding.
Or are you pro-inbreeding?
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metal scene(s) often has a reputation of not being open towards other music styles. i used this example because i have read a lot already that psytrance scene is getting close-minded slowly like metal scene(s). but imo, it'd be better if we were a bit more "true" to our "roots".
the second thing you wrote aint true at all, i dont think like this. music is to express emotions, so there should be aggressive music too. but what does the usage of satanistic material have to do with being influenced by the surroundings? for me it's nothing else than adopting "status symbols" from somewhere else. maybe not, but so far i haven't met one artist who could explain to me his motivation to use such symbols or references in their tracks.
"dark" trancers for sure arent barbarians or violent or satanistic people, but they are using symbols and references to ghouls, death, and it's not okay for me to use such things just "coz its cool and something new than the usual fairytale crap".
imo everyone can do whatever one wants, but i need an explanation for everything to understand and to thoroughly accept it. 
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 5, 2007 00:22
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On 2007-04-04 23:19, Anak wrote:
imo everyone can do whatever one wants, but i need an explanation for everything to understand and to thoroughly accept it.
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So true.
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PlutoDelic
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Posted : Apr 5, 2007 10:39
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On 2007-04-04 18:19, vegetal wrote:
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Don´t you think its a natural progression that you get influenced by your surrounding.
Or are you pro-inbreeding?
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thats the point, who influences the other heads here??
ps, funny, u didnt call me dr.frankenstein or something like that, im impressed 
@anak, well sad mate
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Apr 5, 2007 12:59
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funny, u didnt call me dr.frankenstein or something like that, im impressed
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Next time igor!
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Posted : Apr 5, 2007 13:46
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concept of sex , tits ? in psytrance is fine ?
its music ... has no rules no boundaries no religion
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caiopro
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Posted : Apr 5, 2007 23:16
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http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/csr/csr1cd002.html
does this look like a trance cd cover?
i like lots of these projects that are heavy-metal oriented and influenced, but covers like this one are just ugly and as much as not psychedelic it could be.
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 5, 2007 23:24
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On 2007-04-05 13:46, --==Bad Sector==-- wrote:
concept of sex , tits ? in psytrance is fine ?
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Tits are psychedelic.
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vegetal
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Posted : Apr 6, 2007 01:23
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On 2007-04-04 23:19, Anak wrote:
metal scene(s) often has a reputation of not being open towards other music styles. i used this example because i have read a lot already that psytrance scene is getting close-minded slowly like metal scene(s). but imo, it'd be better if we were a bit more "true" to our "roots".
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Disagree with you, i know alot of "metal" people and not a single one of them is what i would define or label as close minded when it comes to music. I would rather say that people that listens to classical music is close minded and i base that on my father and his friends. What im trying to say is that close minded people isn´t a question of music taste, you´ll find them everywhere and i think they are evenly scattered all over the genres of music.
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the second thing you wrote aint true at all, i dont think like this. music is to express emotions, so there should be aggressive music too. but what does the usage of satanistic material have to do with being influenced by the surroundings? for me it's nothing else than adopting "status symbols" from somewhere else. maybe not, but so far i haven't met one artist who could explain to me his motivation to use such symbols or references in their tracks.
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I don´t use those "status symbols" so i have nothing to add or decline.
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"dark" trancers for sure arent barbarians or violent or satanistic people, but they are using symbols and references to ghouls, death, and it's not okay for me to use such things just "coz its cool and something new than the usual fairytale crap". |
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Disagree with you i don´t need someone to tell me their life-story on why he wanted a ghoul or a skull on his cover.
If he liked it from a art-perspective im cool with that.
Don´t you think the guy who wanted some "fairytale crap" thought it was cool and that was why he picked it, or did he discuss his choice with 10 different shrinks before deciding?
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Apr 6, 2007 01:24
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On 2007-04-05 23:16, caiopro wrote:
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/csr/csr1cd002.html
does this look like a trance cd cover?
i like lots of these projects that are heavy-metal oriented and influenced, but covers like this one are just ugly and as much as not psychedelic it could be.
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STFU and GBTW.
They're should be only one "bitching" topic where idiots like you can go to whine to the "world"(notice quotes, because no one really gives a shit what gets posted here) about how the latest death/dark/gloomy/big bad devil freak artist ruined your day.
PS: ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE ARE "psychedelic", but obviously your too closed-minded to understand that, as far as your concerned Psychedelic = Pretty pictures and flowers. Psychedelia can be an agonizing journey through hell as well.
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vegetal
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Posted : Apr 6, 2007 01:33
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palex
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Posted : Apr 6, 2007 04:48
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On 2007-04-04 18:40, ZenMind wrote:
Bilú bilú Hey you are FIRED! Skulls? Death? FIRED I SAY!... Psytrance? FIRED! ...Music? FIRED!
LSD? Hired! ...PArtyes? FIRED GDEAMN IT!
GO TO WORK! ....who said that?...YOURE FIRED!
Signed: ZenMind the BOSS
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keep music evil!! |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 6, 2007 06:43
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ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE ARE "psychedelic", but obviously your too closed-minded to understand that, as far as your concerned
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Oh yeah, totally. Everything can be psychedelic but what’s the point, that we should call all music genres psychedelic even if it’s actually death metal, comercial hip hop or bubble gum pop? Yeah now even Phill Collins and the backstreet boys are psychedelic because it just depends on how you look at it right? And everbody is entitled to their own opinion and can see it the way they want, and we have to respect that. Oh gee wiz, fucking awesome.
Of course for a psychedelic mind just about everything can seem very psychedelic, like if you are high on mushrooms you will experience things from another dimension and everything in this world will seem alien and even watching a pepsi comercial on the tv can be a true psychedelic experience.
But who are we fooling, the death metal scene is not about a genuine search for true psychedelic experiences, or is it? the same goes for pop music or mainstream hip hop scenes, and many other scenes. It's just different mindsets that are interested in entirely different things. Fortunately the different scenes can live independant of eachother. So the bottom line is we can all disagree, the tricky part maybe is in identifiying which spaces (if any) we want to share. Because the different types of trance could just split into different genres. (like hard house from progressive house)
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Psychedelia can be an agonizing journey through hell as well.
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Yeah the problem is that the death metal scene focuses on the darkness and not on the psychedelic aspect, which is why it falls out of place in an environment where people actually focus on the psychedelic aspect.
The psychedelic scene focuses on the psychedelic aspects whether it sees them in "pretty pictures and flowers" or in the darkness. And yeah hell can be part of the psychedelic journey but more like an instrument to confront your own demons, your own fears and maybe transcend beyond the dualities. But it's not some type of morbid fetish or a head bannger trasher death metal mindset as if that in itself is what is psychedelic. Like give me a break.
But I am all for being open about it. Not against the darkness and the dark motifs, just not making it the focus because that is just like death metal (which I know nothing about, hehehe). Maybe explore the darkness so we can go beyond it or transform it into something positive. |
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