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the concept of HELL in psytrance
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dirtyphreak
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 20:52
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mudpeople
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 20:55
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I was pissed off because I really enjoy this kind of stuff, and I DO hear a lot of high quality stuff. So, saying that its all fast to cover up the shittiness is pretty lame. ANd, saying that it MUST be between 130 and 146 is pretty lame too. I guess that means that those slower (BBE, Phony Orphants, Jaia, Rai) progressive tracks are not psytrance either.
Why MUST it have a bpm limit? Who decided this anyway?
Is there some kind of psytrance comittee, like a Congress who gets to decide what is and isnt psytrance?
The people who listen to it are the ones who decide! And it seems that there are quite a great many who actually do like it.
And, what's so bad about those covers? I don't see anything shocking. Ever read comic books, or see fantasy art, or play video games, or watch movies, or read books? Or watch tv? Or walk down the street? That kind of thing is everywhere. Why is it only bad when it has to do with trance?
Comparing melodic, 130-146 bpm trance with high speed "dark" (pure psychedelic) trance is like comparing Classical with Powernoise. Why even try to compare?
And, if its so bad you never want to hear it at a party, well, why don't you throw your own parties?
This scene is very heavy on people who 'know' what SHOULD be done, but very light on anyone actually DOING anything.
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 00:28
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I love this shit 
U know it is fun, like horror movies. A contrast to the fairytale crap 
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 02:34
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 04:38
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well well well
i just wonder why peaple that want "fairy world" cant accept there are "demons" in the same world
its the other side of the same coin.
make alot of sense to me.
so... think about it mwahahaha (jojo style)
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 08:32
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On 2007-03-29 04:38, tsabeat wrote:
its the other side of the same coin.
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well put.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 08:42
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 22:46
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On 2007-03-28 09:12, makus wrote:
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On 2007-03-28 08:32, Gopendragon wrote:
We like it or not,we must prepare our beings for the real future hell... |
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or not hell.
its not about the religion. its not even about advertising. it is about NEGATIVE vibe. and its about NONpsychedelic vibe.
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It is not hell,it is how someone receives energy when listen/dance dark trance, and be able to transform the sensetion of each sound,the ability way how to change the negative impression to positive,how to see spirit everywhere,without identify self with the object that listens,because with identity becames unable to liberate spirit from the bondages of the physical dimension in space n time .
That Great spirit wich is beyond the bondages of physical dimension beyond each negative or positive force,the absolute principle of infinity n existance everywhere.
If someone identify self with an object and receive it as a negative then becames negative.If someone identify self with an object and receive it as a positive then becames positive.But what is posoitive and what negative ?
That may change from a person to person,the ego level and the mentaL state of each,the different perception of reality.
Dance and music in the physical field acts also in a parallel dimension through the astral field.
An area where egos fly and energies exchange with vibes while creating morhpogetic fields around those multidimensional astral worlds,the cosmic web.
An area where thought wave morphs take shape with colors n morphs,big ammount of energy released,and moves fastly like blind cosmic spider ,who is passing through the dark shadows of the egoistic thoughtmorphs around ,blind to see clear the vision
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Thoughts and sounds are visionary on the astral field, and each one can see and have an experience by a different way,
inside his/her own inner esoteric world.
Halluninations are true,is our inner world projected through the astral field,is like dreaming awake.But the quality of our vision depends from the inner world.Music creates a special area inside inner world n flows in lower or higher states in the astral field.
Those who have heavy astral bodies from much egos ,are flying in lower states traped in darkness unable to see much light,and the more released from ego astral bodies, flys up on higher states on the astral field, with more light able to see more things clear..
There is an inner battle of impressions ...
Impressions that comes from the ego personality and must be tranformed with spiritual way,recieve the good part of the bad thing.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Mar 29, 2007 23:18
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It's simple, these 'dark' images like skeletons, hell, zombies etc. etc. all stem from the fact that the music itself is supposed to be dark and therefore the artwork has to reflect it too. You see that in the hardcore scene as well. When Darkcore hit the scene suddenly a lot of songtitles were 'darker' then before. When hardcore just started most of it was about party or drugs, but then hardcore became commercial, collapsed after that and in the underground it slowly fought its way back to the people. Subgenres like darkcore, industrial hardcore came about and death, decay and other not so nice things of life were thrown in. It's no different in this scene. Anyway, if it bothers you, don't confront yourself with it, it's as easy as that.
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full_on
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Posted : Mar 30, 2007 05:05
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I've been reading this for some days... Everything below is IMHO.
Dark psy is already a established name (or brand), it sells... The labels and the artists established it this way, and the crowd accepted, so there's no use for coming here asking us to stop calling it dark psy because it is a name as good as any other. Also there's no way of saying it is not psy because the people and the marked already call it psy, this don't mean it is psychedelic, it only means that there's a consensus it is a sub-genre of psy (for example most "Psy-only" online stores sell it).
I accept dark psy as a subgenre of psytrance characterized by faster bpm (148+), obscure atmospheres, non-happy melodies, proper to be played at night, etc… Unfortunately another very common characteristic is inferior quality, but I think in a couple of years this will not be so evident.
The album cover and the samples inside the music (those spoken sentences usually taken from movies) are a way of sending a more explicit message to the listener, after all kicks and bass can transmit an overall feeling but not messages like images or a girl saying "They gave me LSD". Of course "artists" and "labels" can use the samples and the cover for pure commercial purposes.
About the cover, traditionally the cover will either present something related with the music (in the case of psy fractals, landscapes, aliens, drugs or something trippy) or something that sells (like naked woman or even skulls, blood, terrorists, etc).
There is a trend in dark psy releases to present skulls, devils, blood, etc, but if you check the review section, you’ll find out that real good dark psy releases (yes, they exist, they’re the dark psy albums with many pages of “real reviews” instead of just some random engrish) usually don’t follow this trend. Mostly new labels and artists place these “evil related” stuff on their cover, maybe there is some good album with covers like that, but I don’t know any. These releases usually don’t get decent reviews (or any review) except maybe for the labels’ and artists’ friends dropping some words and some occasional users saying they like it. So this “concept of hell in psytrance” is mostly a marketing strategy, with some exceptions.
Aha! Funnily enough Exposure Productions' releases (Wizzy Noise albums, which are good IMO) present both woman and a terrorist on the cover... I always wanted to ask DETOX why he did that (if you follow his posts I think you’ll find this a little paradoxal), but I guess he’ll say it was the artist’s choice. I respect DETOX very much because he has the guts to speak his opinions even if they go against everyone or can make he look bad in the eyes of people who just read an isolated post (which happens every other day).
However, even when I agree that quality-wise most darkpsy (or psy above 150 bpm) has an "under average quality" (not to say it is really CRAP), IMO DETOX's crusade against the DARK/EVIL/CRAP psy will not change anything, because it’s a fight against a two powerful opponents: the market tendencies and the will of the new artists to release their music as fast as possible (even if through Spliff Music  ). Of course many people can learn from his words, including him.
What I don’t understand is why some people (specially artists) feel attacked by this kind of opinion (which is as personal and disposable as any other), and reply like if he was the antichrist that’s missing on the cover of their albums, when the best answer would be (quoting him) a 155+ bpm track (or album) packed “with melodies inside, deep atmospheres and some fx in the background with a dance oriented feeling and stuff like that”, and of course in top notch quality.
People must be really rich or dumb to buy albums by their cover, but some covers may call more attention and actually tricks the consumer into listening it. I advice people to read reviews and listens to the samples before deciding what to buy.
Respect!
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Noise Poison Records
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Posted : Mar 30, 2007 09:22
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many truths been said by full_on right above ... and that DETOX is a very special case is so easy to find out in reading some posts in here ...
.. i just can repeat myself again and again .. such dicsussions will never end ... in a scene is getting bigger and bigger its normal that some subgenres grow up .. that some are going extreme ways is also usual development .. these are those dudes miss something in the so called commercial stuff ... its the same as with punk rock jazz and whatever ... it was so damn evil as they appear first time ... even the beatles seemd to be evil in the very first moment ... in the end i like to get back to gaspard in the very beginnig as he mentioned:
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First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
how about a little tolerance towards other people s ways????
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I just came out, cause it seems there was a noise outside ! .... added to Parvati Records rooster .. check webside !!!
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Posted : Mar 30, 2007 09:38
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no offence to anyone involved, but some of the 'evil' and 'satanic' covers didn't look scary... they just looked bad
i mean seriously... 80s hair metal at its most cheesy. about as 'evil', 'dangerous', and 'groundbreaking' as those Norwegian dudes who won the Eurovision song contest.
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Zman
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Posted : Mar 30, 2007 23:27
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I believe people like DETOX should shut their mouths and continue running their labels etc. No offense to you dude but sadly you come across as a cranky whiny b*itch. Please continue doing what you love - running your label ; instead of constantly putting down other sub genres. As they say, live and let live. Give every person the choice/option to promote whatever he wants. Im sure there is no need for anyone to interfere with anyone else. Night psy is only marketted because people actually end up buying CD's - even though not many in number, but enough to survive. If your label sells 1600+ good for you, but stop putting down other sub genres using 155 BPM as an excuse. Personally im not a big fan of anything about 154 myself. And it is extremely immature and ignorant to claim there is no psychedelic music in the 148-155 range. Polyphonia , Grapes of Wrath etc. you dont find their sound psychedelic? Get your nose out of the fu*king snorting bag and give the 2 artists i mentioned above a try. A good start maybe : Parvati Records - Grapes of Wrath - Tits on Fire. I do have respect for the artists on the Exposure Productions line ups but believe me artists like GOW without doubt are as talented and a LOT MORE psychedelic. Please keep your opinion to yourself from now onwards mr. detox, nobody wants to hear this cranky cranky. Peace amigo, have a good day. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 31, 2007 01:19
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I don't see what's wrong with all those skull&devil stuff.
A few days ago I went with a friend of mine to a metal music shop in Tel Aviv (he was looking for some Opeth stuff) and I saw a lot of names and covers with skulls, zombies etc and also band names such as "Cannibal Corpse" or whatever.
I personally found it preety hilarious and I couldn't stop myself from saying sarcastic stuff to my friend.
Anyway, I assume that the metal scene will also find names like "Infected Mushroom" or "Astral Projection" funny with all those fractals and happy and psychedelic stuff.
But this is not the point - I see it as a natural evolution of psytrance. Death metal + psychedelic trance - death trance or something. It's not metal, but it's not psychedelic (usually). Let's just call it death trance or doom trance or whatever?
Obviously the connection to the psytrance scene is ther fact that it's based upon psy roots, kicks basslines etc.
Even if we personally dislike this music, it doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist.
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