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the concept of HELL in psytrance

Basilisk
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 23:20
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On 2007-03-27 20:55, Pavel wrote:
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On 2007-03-27 18:37, pr0fane wrote:
Truth to be told, I would prefer anal fisting on the covers instead of V/A - DEATH HORROR KILLER FROM DOOM OF DESTRUCTION.

Can't say that the whole hell-dark-psy really bothers me though, just find it funny in a way.



The new Chemical Crew album has the Goatse man on the cover.




Finally: truth in advertising.

Heathen

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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 23:23
(Sorry if I am breaking proper form by not giving the usual, "Hi, I am XXXXXX and here is my story" post. I have been lurking around here for about a month though... )

Im not sure why it matters what art is on the album cover. If the music is quality, I don’t care at all if the cover has skulls or devils or some more mainstream-type psy art, such as U-Turn.

Additionally, I would think some of you would WANT this on your covers as there seems to be a general complaint about the commercialization of the psy scene. One way to keep the mainstream away is by going against them.
Heathen

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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 23:37
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On 2007-03-27 20:51, mk47 wrote:
the concept of HELL in psytrance .. is a retarded one




I was under the impression that psytrance has little to do with boundaries or trying to fit into a nice, neat package.

Horror Place (as you may have guessed) is one of my favorite finds in my very limited experience with this genre. Manson samples and skeletons on the cover! I am so glad I do not judge books by there cover alone.

Everyone is entitled to support or not support whatever you like. As I previously mentioned though, the quality of the music is my one and only deciding factor when it comes to CD purchases.
DETOX
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 23:46
The concept of Hell and Satan has to do with psy trance as much as the music named as "dark psy" and advertised under these concepts.

The answer ofcourse is absolutely no connection at all but when the music is really bad then one has to find different ways to promote his work and attract new audience and the occult was always something very interesting for the majority of people out there (including myself to be honest) so putting goat heads,the satan,devil signs,dead people,cannibals,zombies,monsters and other similar things on cd covers helps some people to sell some more cds and pretend to be underground and psychedelic.

Thats the story more or less in my humble opinion,for me this whole thing is just a joke run by some people who found an opportunity to put their "music" next to psy trance so that they could exist somewhere.After all Happy Hardcore and Gabba are dead for a long time now.

I mean there is no way that the music of Hallucinogen,Man With No Name,Etnica,Transwave and Koxbox can coexist under the same psy trance music roof with music made on 155+ bpm on cds with covers featuring the devil and dead people,something has to be wrong with this situation.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
mudpeople
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 02:26
to each their own.

Since when does this music have boundaries (besides the obvious...)?

And, since when is it good that everything sounds the same?

And, what do the covers have to do with the music?

"ooh, theyve got skulls onthe cover! It must be terrible music then. I don't even have to listen to it to know that! Its evil devil worship music!"

Whatever happened to open minds?

And, where are all these terrible covers?

Links or STFU.

Im serious. Cuz I own a ton of "dark" psytrance, and I can't think of a single one that had devils, dead people, devil signs, satan, zombies, etc, on it.

The only thing that comes close to that, would be Morthor Spede.

Please, enlighten me! Show me these TERRIBLE IMAGES!!


Get the fuck OVER IT!!! Some of us actually like this music. If thats a problem for you, THATS FUCKING YOUR PROBLEM. So you don't like fast music. So what? Does that make you cool?

Whats so wrong with zombies, dead people, etc, anyway? with the exception of zombies and Satan, such things are a part of human existence.

I smell ego-masturbation in this thread!! Go ahead and gang up, cuz, you know, might makes right. Right?

If you would just listen to the music, WITHOUT judging it first, but of course its too late for that... You already tainted your opinions by comparing it to such things as Hallucinogen.

I ask you: What does Elvis Presley have to do with Cradle of Filth?

Technically, its a similar style of music. Both could be (loosely) called rock. Just like Hallucinogen and Horror Place are both trance.

Jeez...

And, since when is the music labeled, by the artists and labels producing it, since when is it ACTUALLY called DARK? Unless of course that was the intent, IE Xenomorph.           .
headyatail2000
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 02:49
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Zman
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 04:42
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On 2007-03-27 23:46, DETOX wrote:
The concept of Hell and Satan has to do with psy trance as much as the music named as "dark psy" and advertised under these concepts.

The answer ofcourse is absolutely no connection at all but when the music is really bad then one has to find different ways to promote his work and attract new audience and the occult was always something very interesting for the majority of people out there (including myself to be honest) so putting goat heads,the satan,devil signs,dead people,cannibals,zombies,monsters and other similar things on cd covers helps some people to sell some more cds and pretend to be underground and psychedelic.

Thats the story more or less in my humble opinion,for me this whole thing is just a joke run by some people who found an opportunity to put their "music" next to psy trance so that they could exist somewhere.After all Happy Hardcore and Gabba are dead for a long time now.

I mean there is no way that the music of Hallucinogen,Man With No Name,Etnica,Transwave and Koxbox can coexist under the same psy trance music roof with music made on 155+ bpm on cds with covers featuring the devil and dead people,something has to be wrong with this situation.




You need to be on Hoffman Express to understand these things Cheers
acid-fart-pants
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 07:28
All this dark crap is getting boring - it's not psychedelic, it's not Israeli, so whu on earth is it being allowed here?
Gopendragon
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 08:32
Thats how psychedelic utopia now had became a psychedelic abyss.
From the higher lightfull stages of the astral field, when goa trance started the new era in 90's,now psy trance of 00's is running through the lowest darker states, deep inside the esoteric worlds of the astral field.
We like it or not,we must prepare our beings for the real future hell...otherwise better quit,or fight for ur souls to be saved, and return back just to pass through higher n brighter psychedelic path trips..
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
makus
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 09:12
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On 2007-03-28 08:32, Gopendragon wrote:
We like it or not,we must prepare our beings for the real future hell...


or not hell.
its not about the religion. its not even about advertising. it is about NEGATIVE vibe. and its about NONpsychedelic vibe.

i personally believe that an album should go along with its cover. for cover to underline the main sense/feelings/emotions of the music. basing on this opinion i find it absolutely weird to draw blood and sculls on a cover, and even is the music is fine it wouldnt be pleasent for me to hold it in hands. im far from hard metal music and its attributes, but they come closer themself hehe.
also, the titles. well, to me there was always fun when i saw heavy metal/death bands like Cerebral Turbulence (with their album 'Cancer', heh) or Sadistic Intent or something i dunno, but hey, having such a form they have corresponding content.
What do we have in this "psychedelic" trance? Basicly its night time music that one could call dark, with stupid skulls on the cover.
Shit, maybe i'm getting old but i dont undestand it.
For me psy is about positive vibes. Its a pity that someone finds brutal death - psychedelic.           
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makus
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 09:17
and to the mudpeople, i want to ask you to relax. why are you agressive?

links on covers. well. here you are
http://217.160.138.169/pic_b/ill1cd001_b.jpg
http://217.160.138.169/pic_b/bho1cd001_b.jpg
http://www.wirikuta.at/media/MSUCD001g.jpg
http://www.wirikuta.at/media/DVSMCD001g.jpg
          
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 12:43
Well, we had a party last weekend where were played in the nighthours darkpsychedelic tunes and people where stomping and dancing very happy did´t saw any negative vibe. that´s at one side and at other side what for you psycheelic trance is for me is not and viceversa. but any way why do you have so much problems with if music is good and original. So the evolution is not to stuck and listen the same Hallucinogen songs or Etnica album for ever, hey there are also other things and other ideas, concepts and visions of psychedelics. which has to do with the mentality, culture, society etc. honestly I don´t know what this has to do with psychedelic trance: http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/hom/hom1cd048.html
and btw not only trance is psychedelic music there is so many psychedelic music that has nothing to do with trance or electronic, check: http://www.rkl.com/


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makus
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 12:46
^^ what psychedelic is there in skulls?           
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 13:17
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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
Since when does this music have boundaries (besides the obvious...)?



Like every kind of music (except maybe experimental where you can do whatever you want i guess) psy trance also has boundaries and thats not neceserilly bad if you ask me.I mean if someone who doesnt have a clue about psy trance asks you to describe with words what this kind of music is about then i guess you will have to tell him that its a kind of music ranging from 130-146 bpm with melodies inside,deep atmospheres and some fx in the backround with a dance oriented feeling and stuff like that.Thats more or less psy trance so something way different than that,a music that sets as its standard 155 bpm for example,has to be something else and not psy trance,i mean happy hardcore has also a kick and sound fx in the backround and crazy melodies but its not named psy trance simply because it aint psy trance.Hope you get my point.

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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
And, since when is it good that everything sounds the same?



Its not good at all when everything sounds the same but when someone is willing to listen to psy trance then he is expecting something specific just like he is expecting something specific when he wants to listen to techno or progressive or house or ambient or pop music or whatever.There is a reason that downtempo music has a different name than ambient so that the people who are really into this kind of music can tell one from another and i cant understand how psy trance has to be connected with a style of music thats way different in crucial points.After all if you ask me the so called "dark psy" has more similar points with happy hardcore and gabba than with psy trance so i dont understand why they didnt name this music "dark hardcore" or "dark gabba" or whatever.But ok i understand that happy hardcore and gabba are dead so commercially speaking naming it as dark psy would bring more attention to it.

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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
And, what do the covers have to do with the music?

Whatever happened to open minds?

And, where are all these terrible covers?

Links or STFU.

Im serious. Cuz I own a ton of "dark" psytrance, and I can't think of a single one that had devils, dead people, devil signs, satan, zombies, etc, on it.

Please, enlighten me! Show me these TERRIBLE IMAGES!!



Covers dont have much to do with the music inside the cds but this applies as long as the artists/labels use a concept once and not all the time.So when for example artist X puts on his debut album a zombie and satan on its cover and then on his second album he has a picture from a party with smiling faces around and on his third album he has a landscape with the sun rising or the moon or whatever then we can say about an artist who gives a different feeling in each of his albums and each cover was just an expression of his for that specific album BUT when you got the same labels and artists putting on every release of theirs the satan and dead people and zombies etc etc on their covers then it means that these people have associated their music with the images and the philosophy behind the images on their covers and as far as i am concerned the satan and zombies are closer to death and thrash metal than to psy trance.

And please enough with this cliche of being open minded,it reminds me of a gay friend of mine who once said to me that i have to be open minded before i reject something so i should first try to have sex with a man before i say that i dont like it and i guess that on the same feeling someone who is a heroin user would also say to me to try heroin before i reject it and so on.Being open minded is one thing but being naive enough to accept just about everything is another.

As about the pictures that you requested you must be really joking my friend.Forget the links that Makus gave you and just visit the Coming Soon section on the major psy shops and tell me what you will see there every week,i will tell you what i saw yesterday,i saw a cd with the devil's face on the cover,another cd with some dead people on crosses and a bunch of cds entitled with the words slaughter and horror and death and stuff like that.Every week the same story so please dont ask about links of these pictures because somehow the psy trance scene is full of them and i really dont understand why.


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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
Get the fuck OVER IT!!! Some of us actually like this music. If thats a problem for you, THATS FUCKING YOUR PROBLEM. So you don't like fast music. So what? Does that make you cool?



We actually like fast music because psy trance is very fast music indeed,what we dont like is what is named as 'dark psy' which is very very fast music and very very bad produced also if you ask me.You got the absolute right to love whatever kind of music you want but you dont have the right to mix your music with psy trance just for commercial reasons because we all know that the so called dark psy wouldnt have a chance standing on each own.And about being cool or not,well i dont see many people who are into psy trance claiming all the time to be underground and cool or whatever,on the other side i see many people who are into the so called dark psy calling the psy trance listeners as kids who listen to pop and cheesy music and fluffy etc etc.

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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
Whats so wrong with zombies, dead people, etc, anyway? with the exception of zombies and Satan, such things are a part of human existence.



Nothing is wrong at all with all these concepts and images but this is a psy trance music forum and not the Stephen King or Iron Maiden forums (whom i both love by the way) not to mention any religious or paranormal forum.If we wanted to talk or deal with such concepts then i guess that this site would be named as www.occult.com or www.paranormal.com and not Isratrance.Here we talk about the music we like and the parties and its artists and travelling and bla bla bla,no place here for satan or devil or zombies or dead people or tortures.


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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
If you would just listen to the music, WITHOUT judging it first, but of course its too late for that... You already tainted your opinions by comparing it to such things as Hallucinogen.



Well i remember this new trend since the very early days of Kasol and Parasense and Xenomorph and other artists like that when the term "dark psy" was not invented yet and once in a while i bother listening to the samples of various albums featuring strange covers just to see what the heck is going on with this kind of music so please accuse me of anything but not of not knowing how this music sounds.


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On 2007-03-28 02:26, mudpeople wrote:
I ask you: What does Elvis Presley have to do with Cradle of Filth?

Technically, its a similar style of music. Both could be (loosely) called rock. Just like Hallucinogen and Horror Place are both trance.



Sorry but technically 90% of electronic music is the same but this doesnt mean anything at all just like it doesnt mean anything at all that Elvis and Cradle Of Filth both use guitars and drums in their music and thats why Elvis belongs to the Rock And Roll world and Cradle Of Filth belong to the Heavy Metal/Gothic Metal scene,it is funny to say that they both are loosely connected with the rock world and it would be even more funny to persuade an Elvis fan to listen to a Cradle Of Filth cd and vice versa,the Elvis fan would turn off the music in 20 seconds and the Cradle Of Filth fan would throw the Elvis cd in the garbage after 10 seconds calling it as fluffy music for girls.On the same basis Hallucinogen is psychedelic trance and Horror Place is something else that for sure cant be called trance in any case,just because they both use a kick and a bass this doesnt make them trance you know since with a kick and a bass you can do a lot of things just like with a guitar you can play rock music,country music,traditional south american music and a bunch of other styles,just because the instrument and the technique is the same this doesnt mean that the outcome is also the same
          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
vegetal
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 14:01
I don´t know about you guys but i find these covers alot more terror and disturbing than any skull/zombie/pentagram-cover ever painted.
every time i look at them i get a violent fear of soiling my pants

http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/lim/lim1cd001.html

http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd331.html
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd249.html

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