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"Styles" the split in the scene for 5 years now, and this silly narrow minded stuff...

ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 13:22
ok so this full split in the psychedelic trance scene is really getting old.
"style" is something something everyone has.
"styles" or narrow categories of micro-genre that the listener applies to all music coming in... come on people- this is the OPPOSITE of psychedelic.
"which style you make? full-on or killer?"
if i hear this question again i will freak out for sure...
"I make psychedelic trance full spectrum"
is my standard reply. this is getting old too. when the person looks at me like i'm not to be trusted and they only trust what they know and like already and all this...

anyway. i just think there is a sliding scale of energy from pure ambient to pure adrenaline rush with many plateaus in betwen that people frequently congregate on and call "genres" or "styles"
and just imagine if someone is actually creative and has their own style?
then what?
they get grouped with the closest style or nobody is interested because it falls in between the cracks.
that is fucking sad.

MORE MIXED LINEUP PARTIES PLEASE!!!
the larger organizers should talk with some other respected organisers of smaller events and make some inclusions from all around.

The small organizers should think about unifying our family scene and making a nice vibe by considering working with some other small organizers who do slightly different music...

Its a good way for people to learn about new music from all sides...

its all psychedelic trance and is pretty similar compared to say Jungle or Rock and Roll or Jazz or something...

I hate to burst the precious little bubble but...
Your grandmother probably could not tell the difference between GMS and Kindzadza

why accentuate the riff with extremism like we see happening in scene "light" versus "dark" suddenly escalates to "morally righteous happy trance" versus "kill them all and smash it up trance"
or at least thats the way a lot of people talk here on the forum...

anhyway- i think there is a bigger purpose here and that is to get everyone together as one to dance and heal ourselves and our world and make some beautiful society like we can and do already...

whats up?
do i hear a "hooah!?

Bloodclot
Bloodclot

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Posts :  2190
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 13:35
Good point.. been in this morning vs dark argument before. Yeah it is really up to organisers to bring in the flavor of music. Sometimes all you hear is dark trance being played over and over again and gigs which kinda brings up the division!
full_lotus
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 13:43
Nicely put Aaron           Turn On, Tune In, Trance Out!!!

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psy^soldier
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 13:43
I hate to burst the precious little bubble but...
Your grandmother probably could not tell the difference between GMS and Kindzadza


i dont think anyone thinks like that
EYB
Noized

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Posts :  2849
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 13:56
oce you are right

but this names of styles can help someone to explain e.g. a track to someone else.

>hey u know 'ocelot - whatever'
>no is it good? what is it like?
>yeah it is great, it is a dark killer with some progrssive influences, but groovy full- onish
>cool where can i download it?


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Dj Chris Planet
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  336
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 14:06
Well put Ocelot its about time someone disscused this.           Let us take you on a journey, that will take you from are small world stage and orbit you beyond our fragile planet......
Insane Behavior
Insane Behavior

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 14:16
I totally agree with u my man... well put.

# Bobo
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 15:22
I agree with a lot of what you say and think you make some really interesting points, particularly given that my personal preference is the ambient/chill bracket of psychedelia, which really isn't the sidekick of psytrance in my opinion but a very different kind of music.

And the truth is I don't know a great deal about the trance side of psy and am not even close to as familiar with its different sub-styles; I suppose I'm a bit like your granny in the sense that very often I can't tell the different between one or the other of these types either, yet I've been listening to psy (when considered as a whole) for four years now at least. I have it on good authority that the styles of trance I like are 'old goa' and 'morning' but to me it's just music that I enjoy...(or not as the case may be)

I do agree with EYB's comment that when it comes to describing a track or album then it can be useful to have a certain terminology to distinguish between different forms but overall all this 'full-on' vs 'morning' vs 'old goa' vs 'dark' vs 'light' vs 'killlaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh' goes over my head a lot of the time. In fact the way you guys often discuss what is necessary for a track to be considered of one kind or another actually makes me feel a little ignorant at times (though I am becoming a little more knowlegable as I listen more). I certainly don't understand why people argue which is better/worse/morally correct etc...I mean, you like what you like don't you? Does it matter what sub-type it belongs to?

*note to readers; Skazi is exempt - he's shit whatever you want to call it*

3;~
Lithium
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  646
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 16:13
well i also agree although i think that what is wrong is not the definitions of trance styles as you may call it, because like EYB said that can be very usefull but the pre concept that whatever is not full on is not worth it. that is the thing i think should be changed, that pre concept idea that good trance is full on and by consequence the less importance given to other styles, when in my opinion, diverssity is the key like ocelot said, a party that lasts 14 or 16 hours, that runs night morning and afternnon cannot play the same kind of music all the time. and this is something that yes, we can blame somehow the party organizers, and the public itself also for acepting to go to a party when they know that the same music will the played all party long, leading to being in the dancefloor and hearing the same music played by diferent djs, just because this or that music is a full on hit.

2 years ago i went to a summer festival in switherland, and 1200 mics played live act, they played that song "money for nothing" then it was dj chicago and he started with that same music and after dj raja ram also played that music sooo in a short time like 4 hours that same track played 3 times in the party. why?? so many amazing tracks of all styles... shame on this guys
ND
ProSect

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Posts :  919
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 17:37
hey man, one more topic that touches me from the inside.

i see your point, more then that i feel it on my own.

Quote:

"I make psychedelic trance full spectrum"



man, that's exaclty what i say, its more like "my music travels inside and outside the whole psytrance spectrum" - outside when i mean that i travel also through different electronic music genres.

Quote:

and just imagine if someone is actually creative and has their own style?
then what?
they get grouped with the closest style or nobody is interested because it falls in between the cracks.
that is fucking sad.



then what, i tell you then what, or my music is too much psy or its too much prog, or whatever tired of that issue too much... a lot of material laying here for some years and a new ones too. and i can confidently say its not because of production skills or something, i have few releases and more on the way, my music highly appritiated by many artists and people. i can't afford my own label, but maybe that's the only solution.

could write more but i'm on a rush,

ND.           Without Deviation, Progress Is Not Possible.

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Sound Field / ProSect / Sonify / Radio Mess
mafkaroo


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Posts :  47
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 17:58
I completely agree.

But I am curious to peoples thoughts on how we fell into this trap. We now have several sub genres, which are really just niches or cliques, with people from one camp commenting on the other.

How did we arrive here? Was it that the artists said 'oh I like that style and sound so I'll copy it', or 'that artist is successful, if I make that style I'll make some dollars'.
Or could it have been the labels, saying 'we want to you sound like this and that' - for what reason?
Or was it the punters and party goers who only flocked to parties that were of a particular style, because they recognised it, or their friends were going, and didn't expose themselves to other sounds?
Or finally was it the promoters who kept there parties to a certain style?
This is not supposed to be a rhetorical question btw
Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  686
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 18:22
I want to go to parties that build up and down... so include various styles of psy full-on and progressive.
Start the party slow and dark (132bpm)... move up through the night all the way to 148bpm... then come back down to morning groovy uplifting prog (130-136) for the morning and day time.


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The Green Channel
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  1025
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 18:26
Quote:

On 2005-06-21 13:22, ocelot wrote:
ok so this full split in the psychedelic trance scene is really getting old.
"style" is something something everyone has.
"styles" or narrow categories of micro-genre that the listener applies to all music coming in... come on people- this is the OPPOSITE of psychedelic.
"which style you make? full-on or killer?"
if i hear this question again i will freak out for sure...
"I make psychedelic trance full spectrum"
is my standard reply. this is getting old too. when the person looks at me like i'm not to be trusted and they only trust what they know and like already and all this...

anyway. i just think there is a sliding scale of energy from pure ambient to pure adrenaline rush with many plateaus in betwen that people frequently congregate on and call "genres" or "styles"
and just imagine if someone is actually creative and has their own style?
then what?
they get grouped with the closest style or nobody is interested because it falls in between the cracks.
that is fucking sad.

MORE MIXED LINEUP PARTIES PLEASE!!!
the larger organizers should talk with some other respected organisers of smaller events and make some inclusions from all around.

The small organizers should think about unifying our family scene and making a nice vibe by considering working with some other small organizers who do slightly different music...

Its a good way for people to learn about new music from all sides...

its all psychedelic trance and is pretty similar compared to say Jungle or Rock and Roll or Jazz or something...

I hate to burst the precious little bubble but...
Your grandmother probably could not tell the difference between GMS and Kindzadza

why accentuate the riff with extremism like we see happening in scene "light" versus "dark" suddenly escalates to "morally righteous happy trance" versus "kill them all and smash it up trance"
or at least thats the way a lot of people talk here on the forum...

anhyway- i think there is a bigger purpose here and that is to get everyone together as one to dance and heal ourselves and our world and make some beautiful society like we can and do already...

whats up?
do i hear a "hooah!?




You are completely correct.

People invent styles to describe music, which in itself is not a problem. However people have a tendency to misuse such things as internet-forums, by misusing, I mean misinterpreting other peoples posts, because of this misinterpretation people misunderstand each other, from these misunderstandings, grows frustration (some due to poor English-writing), so people reply angrily, we all know what negativity leads to; even more negativity and even more frustration. It’s actually rather ironic, many of the Isra-users who on regularly basis end up slaying each-other, in different threats, are probably the sweetest people (and I know one ) in THE REAL world. If they where to meet in the real world they would be best of friends, that’s the true irony imho.
-Try to express criticism constructively.
-If you don’t like a style, or an artist, don’t reply in all the threats concerning the subject (if you don’t like someone/something why use all your time expressing your negativity?).

          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
Janue
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  514
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 18:35

Niceee ocelot

I think a lot of people that we DO love psychedelic trance we all going thru some bad moments about line ups and recognize good music and DIFFERENT MUSIC!!!! the parties is always the same.... gms,skazi,gms,skazi,astrix.-...............................

The other people that are making really good music and im not just talking about progry cause i belive that even that full on is the biggest genre here there are a lot of progry followers out there that want more variety line ups ,it's boring to have a party always at 145-147 Bmp!!!! ,it's boring to have to deal with ego bullshit of the artist's!!!! we are here to dance!! not to take care of the attitudes of the artist....................but anyway i hope party promoters really take a look to the people that are more underground making music from the heart,,,,,,,NOT FROM THE POCKET!!

Keep up guys (prospect,ocelot,yotopia,voice of cod,cosmosis,etc,etc,etc),.................all that music that for me is the underground side of all this party crap money maker that is going on........Thanx to all those artist that still make me smile every time in dancing alone in my room or in my head!!!!

we can still make a change!!! (im not saying that full on is crap cause i do love the work from people like pixel or quadra) But jesus now i really getting tired of the same old over and over and over again....

peace out!!!! and smile everyday cause u dont know what u are gonna get!!!!           If u are Something, Dont ask for nothing
If u are Nothing, Dont ask for something
ND
ProSect

Started Topics :  44
Posts :  919
Posted : Jun 21, 2005 19:49
Quote:

Keep up guys (prospect,ocelot...



i'm prosect, thank you

ND           Without Deviation, Progress Is Not Possible.

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