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"Styles" the split in the scene for 5 years now, and this silly narrow minded stuff...
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ucc
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 05:17
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how nice to see such subject beeing so friendly discussed ;p
my day rant
it seems that at this time the psycadellik and the trips are nothing but a myth, and its not of the music or party organisers
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 09:56
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There is psychedelic music in all genres. To say that "dark" music is better than "full-on" is bullshit because there's just as much boring repetitive unpsychedelic, minimal banging CRAP among so-called "dark" music as among so-called "full-on" music. It's really up to you to distinguish between the good and the bad.
and children, in-fighting is silly. I've played psychedelic full-on sets to dark crowds and vice versa and nobody beat me up, instead people would say "wow, that was good, i never thought dark [full-on] could be this good, where do you find it?" Right in that other aisle, mmmkay?
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Ott^
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 13:37
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On 2005-06-21 13:43, psy^soldier wrote:
I hate to burst the precious little bubble but...
Your grandmother probably could not tell the difference between GMS and Kindzadza
i dont think anyone thinks like that
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I do. I genuinely couldn't tell the difference.
I go to parties and to me it sounds as if the DJ is playing the same record over and over for 12 hours.
This is not a criticism - just an observation from somebody who doesn't really like trance music but hears quite a lot of it.
I am your grandmother.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 13:58
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On 2005-06-22 13:37, Ott^ wrote:
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On 2005-06-21 13:43, psy^soldier wrote:
I hate to burst the precious little bubble but...
Your grandmother probably could not tell the difference between GMS and Kindzadza
i dont think anyone thinks like that
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I do. I genuinely couldn't tell the difference.
I go to parties and to me it sounds as if the DJ is playing the same record over and over for 12 hours.
This is not a criticism - just an observation from somebody who doesn't really like trance music but hears quite a lot of it.
I am your grandmother.
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 14:11
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On 2005-06-22 13:37, Ott^ wrote:
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On 2005-06-21 13:43, psy^soldier wrote:
I hate to burst the precious little bubble but...
Your grandmother probably could not tell the difference between GMS and Kindzadza
i dont think anyone thinks like that
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I do. I genuinely couldn't tell the difference.
I go to parties and to me it sounds as if the DJ is playing the same record over and over for 12 hours.
This is not a criticism - just an observation from somebody who doesn't really like trance music but hears quite a lot of it.
I am your grandmother.
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How poor.
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a3k
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 14:32
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On 2005-06-22 13:37, Ott^ wrote:
I am your grandmother.
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a3k
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 14:35
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no kidding , but like ott has said it doesn´t make diference between gms and kdd, well i guess u are speaking ironicly, cause there is a huge diference between these 2 artists..one makes psychedelic music and the other don´t..i guess u say u don´t mind if u listen 2 gms or kdd as long as it is good..well but in my humble opinion i guess it makes the diference..cause when i go 2 a party i go 2 listen 2 psychedelic music..not only dance music
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:17
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i tottaly agree with oCeLoT make more mixed linu-up`s and P_Mac is got the point of all this
{good music is good music . . . .
Music is to be danced not discussed.}
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Ott^
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:29
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On 2005-06-22 14:35, a3k wrote:
like ott has said it doesn´t make diference between gms and kdd, well i guess u are speaking ironicly, cause there is a huge diference between these 2 artists..one makes psychedelic music and the other don´t..i guess u say u don´t mind if u listen 2 gms or kdd as long as it is good.. |
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No really - I wasn't being ironic. The difference between the sound of those two artists is less than you may think to the ears of an outsider.
I just checked.
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:24
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 20:49
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No really - I wasn't being ironic. The difference between the sound of those two artists is less than you may think to the ears of an outsider. |
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yeah.. kinda like there's little difference to the outsider between Enya or Enigma and Ott's music. 
who cares about the outsiders? there's a big difference to people who actually care about the music and that's all that matters.
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 21:59
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On 2005-06-22 19:24, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
I agree with OTT...The point is not only how it sounds to your ears but how is composed...In fact I believe that the 80% in full on and "dark" stlyes maybe sounds different but I think they are made with the same formulas..By the way GMS and Kindzadza are not producing psychedelic music and many times not trance..They are psychedelics as music genre...
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Kindzadza not psychedelic?
LOL
Kindzadzas music is one of the most psychedelics with almost perfect production!!!
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Ott^
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 23:17
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yeah.. kinda like there's little difference to the outsider between Enya or Enigma and Ott's music. |
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 23:26
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On 2005-06-22 03:16, Voice of All wrote:
it is hard to be disagree with you guys. im with you for sure. but... here we have problem. i think. maybe it is only my view and there is a way how to easily solve it and you will show me how to avoid it...
let us imagine that there is a person who like only one side of our psychedelic trouble just imagine that person is me. to let me express my point better. i want to visit a party where i plan to listen to some mubali and maybe a bit of ocelot will be good. also im fond of jahbo and im happy to see kindzadza on stage. and what? you want me to come to the party where fatali is participating? let even line-up will be mixed and after fatali i will be happy again with chemic-al performance, but then i see that at least for two hours i should listen to exaile or sesto sento. what should i do?
situation is not so easy to solve i think. there is already strong difinition for me as a listener. im already knew that i like naked tourist and dont like yahel. it is current pattern i realy dont know how you plan to change the situation. and it is only about so named dark and full-on... we have also rather outstanding proggy stuff which also has remarkable diffirence in it. it is written not to hurt someone or show that one style is better then other. personaly i (here i mean me who write all these words ) like all projects above. more or less... not all tracks but most of them. but what you will do with another me who like dark and should to go to the mixed party. you want me to seat aside while full-on is playing? i simply cant... and i think you know why...
thanks for your answers and sorry for long and confused post.
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This does raise an interesting topic... and it actually might reaffirm what I was talking about... Let's say that same individual were to sit down and explain why they do not like a certain style or sound or artist... Is it because of their particular sound or style? Or is it because they haven't deviated from their formula? I could see why many people wouldn't attend something because someone was playing, but at the same time if us as artists felt more comfortable to make all types of stuff and play it, of course there will always be people that aren't going to like it, but there just might be those few people that recognise your diversity and might just happen to like one or two songs. I personally wasn't the biggest fan of Sesto Sento's work. Nothing against them personally, I just am not really into overly melodic music.... They put out one particular song though that I really really enjoyed (The Year 83) I liked it so much that I bought it on vinyl and cd... There are some Shift songs I really enjoy, and others I do not... Same with Rinkadink and quite a few other artists as well... But more often than not with artists, we get trapped into the style wars as well... So we end up perpetuating our own prison so to speak. And thus ending up in a situation where if people like the melodic sound, they won't go see an artist that's non-melodic because they know that that artist isn't going to play anything that might interest them. And for me that is a shame. I like seeing artists and djs that really let you have it in regards to what they are going to play... It could start techy, and work it's way dark and then maybe even slightly melodic... Let the sets tell stories again instead of writing the same chapter all over again...
This has been something I am really stuggling with as an artist as well, I want to tell all sides of the story but at the same time, I don't want to deal with the comments like "I used to like Mubali, till he went all full-on or all dark or all techy... I don't want to make just one sound, I want to make music with my sound... Without any of those labels that serve only to divide and conquer... Artists, just make music and forget the rest...
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 23:52
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I personally would love to hear some full-on ala Mubali. There are some artists who cross boundaries. X-Dream went through pretty much all the incarnations psytrance offers.. there are plenty of other examples. It's boring to stay in the same genre all the time, like driving the same car or having the same girlfriend all your life.
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