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"Styles" the split in the scene for 5 years now, and this silly narrow minded stuff...
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:14
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Well I just had a thought...(be afraid) Why dont the we the  s, who are givin the oppurtnities to play in front of large crowds play a mix of all styles to make a statement as opposed to leaving it to promoters who will ultimatley book who they like and not whats pc for the scene? If you think about it we have the power to do just that! what say you all to this!!! good idea or not. Im seriously think of it and Im actually putting together a set right now! LETS CHANGE THE DANCEFLOOR... ok ok ...so what if we make one guy get up...then sit down..then get up. That guy is like 3% of the dancefloor I bet!
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:17
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Well David, I say more power to you as long as the flow is good. It's one thing to play all over the map, it's another not to have it flow properly...
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:22
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well OK thats true... but arent we talking about breaking from out of our shells and thinking differently here or not? figuratively speaking?
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:30
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and wait isnt flow in the Eye of the Beholder or just a personal opinion? I mean I think its opinions that have created this whole divisions in the first place ... i dunno just my thoughts
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:42
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flow is in the eye of the beholder sure, but if all the beholders think it sucks, you've got a problem 
3% might keep getting up and sitting down - the other 97% will sit down, and stay down, while puffing on spliffs and laughing at the fool on the decks. 
now, that said, if you can do it, do it. you're playing next weekend for the 4th, right? let's hear it!
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rich
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:44
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I remember when Peter Didjital played here last I was having the craziest good time with his set cos it went everywhere. every track took you to another place, the energy changing everytime. one minute you're bouncing off the walls, the next you're dragging your knuckles on the ground like a caveman. and then he threw down that Billy Jean remix...
One of the most psychedelicly fun times I've had.
I say go for it, David. Do whatever you like. There will always be those who can catch your wave and ride it like a Pipe master
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:49
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you guys think im crazy for saying that? does no one think that this could be done by a professional who knows how or are you djs just afraid to try it to save your own face or image..  ok wow that was harsh I'll chill I guess im just getting all excited about it.. 
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 01:55
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On 2005-06-23 01:42, Cosmos Mariner wrote:
flow is in the eye of the beholder sure, but if all the beholders think it sucks, you've got a problem
3% might keep getting up and sitting down - the other 97% will sit down, and stay down, while puffing on spliffs and laughing at the fool on the decks.
now, that said, if you can do it, do it. you're playing next weekend for the 4th, right? let's hear it!
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allright Ill try it!! and when its all done and over with you guys with opinions can come on here and slam or praise me . Im damned if I do and Im damned if I dont! so that being said.... at least I was willing to give it a shot.. (my excuse-incase this blows up in my face)
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 14:19
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@ David.. Good idea to mix your sets. I've done it for years but it's not that easy. People are genre freaks and will get annoyed even if you get 2 meters outside what your "surposed" to play. I once thought that all it took was to educate people on the dancefloor. But newsflash most of them dont want to get educated. They want to listen to what they play at home. Sadly enough. Take a very talented DJ like Tsuyoshi Suzuki.
He also tried to educate people and what did he get out of it? Rotten tomatoes in his face. Now he play Full On crap in Europe and Israel. A huge shame. It's so easy to get prostituted in this scene.
Let's face it.. The psy/Full On/dark scene and indeed also progressive scene is not the most openminded scene(s). |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 18:44
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Progressive scene is the worst. They don't like anything remotely psychedelic. "Too many noises" they say. 
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Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 19:12
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On 2005-06-23 18:44, DiMiTry wrote:
Progressive scene is the worst. They don't like anything remotely psychedelic. "Too many noises" they say.
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Hehehehe... no, not too many noises, just to much of the same formula (in some cases) and what's up with bloody 16 note 'chuga chuga bass lines... please! but thats totally another thread.
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 19:18
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On 2005-06-23 18:44, DiMiTry wrote:
Progressive scene is the worst. They don't like anything remotely psychedelic. "Too many noises" they say.
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maybe not psychedelic but a 100 times more hypnotic and trance oriented than your full on.. exactly whats up with da superstars and their KIK bass bass bass KIK bass bass bass etc etc.? |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 20:49
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more hypnotic than my full-on? sounds like an excuse for jaded people with no imagination. for the rest of us, BOOORING.
j/k 
good music is good music, and even though I don't listen to progressive for fun anymore, I've played quite a few sets of it in the past, and will always respect good quality psychedelic music. besides, same thing all the time gets boring, don't you think?
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too much sex i think. you can tell by the rhythm, it's about the thrust.
..it's just another party.. |
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Posted : Jun 23, 2005 22:46
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my 2 cents in all this stuff
if i was forced with a gun to choose sides i would be in the dark side, i specially do not like full on stuff such as the israelis do and i still like the idea of keeping the music psychedelic and underground. but to tell you the truth lately there was a lot of dark stuff that i didnt enjoy at all, and felt quite similar when listening to other styles which i dont appreciate it.
my dream line up would be something like
prog
looopus in fabula
mumbo jumbo
tech
bokshe beat stuff
xdream
night
kdd
seroxat
fullon
logic bomb (do they even count as full on?)
that for me would be an incredible party, all kinds of music for all kind of times, and 100% psychedelic stuff. i dont know about you, but for me logic bomb or loopus in fabula are as intense and psychedelic as kdd or para halu.
we came across with this problem while doing our album and we tried to solve it by doing everything at once, so we could choose whatever direction we liked when doing a second album or releasing more tracks. in abstract machine we did a "proggy" track (fractal circus), more full onish tracks such as juggling spheres or pachamama, more tech tracks such as obscure warlock and space cadet and more night stuff such as devenir cosmos and monkey supernova.
basically the texture of our stuff is still not "uplifting" and its definitely more for the night but we just took all the elements we liked in the psychedelic trance world and played with them, we even had an intro with some lyrics!, we even put breakbeat/hiphop/freestyle stuff!.
of course some people from the dark side said "megalopsy is too normal full on for me" but we also hooked a lot of people from other "styles" of the scene to listen to dark stuff, specially here in Argentina where we are the only ones representing this side of the spectrum. even our label (Trishula) has a different direction, but we just did what we felt like and tried to do the first "dark" album that explored all possibilities, so now when we release a new track we can say "yes its full on, we did it before", "yes its break beat we did it before".
so i truly agree with ocelot, i think there is good music in all the spectrum of psychedelic trance, im tired of seeing the same line ups in every "Dark" or "full on" party, and i think artists should be free to do whatever they want, specially in this type of music where in theory there are no rules!. people should be tested constantly with all kinds of sounds, if you just give them what they want, there is no exploration, no breakthrough.
the truth is that nowadays we are seeing more artists that are doing tracks with are not psychedelic at all, and this happens in all the spectrum of psytrance. but well this is an issue which is deeply subjective, i just hope at least we see more artists daring to do other stuff and more organizers doing mixed up line ups.
anyways psychedelic trance is something i like a lot and it is very important for me, so i dont care whats going on as long as there is some vibe in it .
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Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 12:23
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On 2005-06-23 20:49, DiMiTry wrote:
good music is good music, and even though I don't listen to progressive for fun anymore, I've played quite a few sets of it in the past, and will always respect good quality psychedelic music. besides, same thing all the time gets boring, don't you think?
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I don't think there is that much 'psychedelic' music in the scene any more... that's why i prefer progressive trance & house... at least these styles induce a bit more of a euphoric trance state... at least for me.
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