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"Styles" the split in the scene for 5 years now, and this silly narrow minded stuff...
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Janue
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:13
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HEHEHE
im always write wrong the names!!!  sorry 
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:28
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i've been waiting for "psytrance" to make a comeback. 
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buzzee
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:39
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On 2005-06-21 20:28, DiMiTry wrote:
i've been waiting for "psytrance" to make a comeback.
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What do you mean....? |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:51
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like the style, you know? not dark, prog, or full-on - psychedelic trance, remember that name, from back in 1999? 
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P_Mac
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 21:40
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 22:48
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I agree wholeheartedly... I also would encourage artists to put out stuff that isn't normally what they are known for... I'm not talking about putting out something crappy, but you know what if a normally minimal artist put out something fast and twisted, or if an artist that normally does the aggressive stuff puts out something a little scaled back and atmospheric? Instead of artists being known for what sound they do, why not be known for the quality of their music no matter what time of the night or morning the track is written for?
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:16
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On 2005-06-21 22:48, mubali wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly... I also would encourage artists to put out stuff that isn't normally what they are known for... I'm not talking about putting out something crappy, but you know what if a normally minimal artist put out something fast and twisted, or if an artist that normally does the aggressive stuff puts out something a little scaled back and atmospheric? Instead of artists being known for what sound they do, why not be known for the quality of their music no matter what time of the night or morning the track is written for?
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in a way all the things discussed by ocelot etc do make sense...and what most of u added in also kinda figures....but...
dont u think askin artists to come out with an album totally different from what they produce is a good one..??? i mean firstly will it be viable...i can expect a whole lot of $#it from out very own forum members sayin damm this is a total change in xyz style and obviously any change not looked out for wont sound like a good idea initially...
yes i do agree that the genres etc r kinda ridiculous in a way....agreed...
but cmon now...my grandma obviously wont go thorough a complete track of either GMS or Kindzadza...of course she wont...it is people like u and me who will listen to the entire track...and dont we find some sort of difference there..???
well the difference with DARK-MORNINGis very very visible...i mean anyone listenin to psy for a period longer than 2 months will make out the difference i dont think anythin is wrong in that split of genres..the genres that follow...neo full on...and stuff r NOT REQUIRED...
and isnt there a kind of meaning bvehind the terming of the genres....Dark why..maybe coz its played at the nite time at a party....no?
morning...hmm lets c..probably coz its played during the morning hours...??
i know there is a change from the past...yes...thats called evolution...things will change as time goes by...
jes my 2 cents.
peacE
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:29
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What I said wasn't neccesarily to put out an album, what I said was for the producers to broaden their horizons and avoid being a one trick pony. Yes there are times in which things should be played, but it doesn't mean that Fungus Funk can't be played in the morning if he has written a good morning tune...
What we are trying to do is have people look beyond the subgenres and the substyles and just look at the music as a whole. Fuck the hype, forget the segregation that has gotten us to the point where we have crawled up our own ass with our stylistic masturbation... Why hide behind a subgenre to make your expressions tolerated by those who don't wish to understand different perspectives? Before anyone thought to sell their music, they just made it. Not for anyone else, but as a way for them to express what's going on inside of their heads. It was a form of communication. Now it seems it has digressed to someone saying, I am not going to try and communicate with you because you wouldn't understand what I had to say anyway.... How are we supposed to understand each other if the only way people communicate is with those that they already know are going to understand and partially agree with what they say?
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:34
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On 2005-06-21 23:29, mubali wrote:
What we are trying to do is have people look beyond the subgenres and the substyles and just look at the music as a whole. Fuck the hype, forget the segregation that has gotten us to the point where we have crawled up our own ass with our stylistic masturbation... Why hide behind a subgenre to make your expressions tolerated by those who don't wish to understand different perspectives? Before anyone thought to sell their music, they just made it. Not for anyone else, but as a way for them to express what's going on inside of their heads. It was a form of communication. Now it seems it has digressed to someone saying, I am not going to try and communicate with you because you wouldn't understand what I had to say anyway.... How are we supposed to understand each other if the only way people communicate is with those that they already know are going to understand and partially agree with what they say?
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do have to agree with u on that...u sure do make sense there..
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:34
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Cool... just had to put it in another perspective
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:37
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I was playing some tracks last night that are going in my set coming up. Im playing at night
(1:30-3:00..ithink) and he said it was all morning music when I thought it was good for well, when i played it.? What people like in the morning and what they like at night is also dividing the dancefloor! So not only are we creating individual cells that are into a certain "sound" were creating groups that only like to hear a certain "sound" at a certain "Time"! I think all of this is related. I must admit i have been guilty of what ocelot is talking about. Lately I try to keep that shit to myself. We are all just spoiled with this shit and were all doomed unless we can drop the titles and just dance!! The proof that its all bullshit is right here: what I think is danceable and funky or fun to dance to was a morning track to my friend! so what he thinks dictates his coments. We all think we know something!! Im still going to play those tracks because Im going from past expeirences not opinions. but I cant make people think like me so Ill just do my own thing.
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Mistress of Evil
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 00:58
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i agree with a lot of what ocelot has mentioned! i like all kinds of psytrance "styles"... but for me there is a big distinction between music that i find to be "psychedelic" vs "non-Psychedelic"
to beat the old GMS thing to the ground, i'm sure my grandmother can't tell the difference btwn kindzadza and gms, but she doesn't go to trance parties! i do go to trance parties and i can tell the difference, and one of the two artists i really do not find psychedelic at all anymore.
So hooray for unity and not dividing over petty things such as "style preference" cause musical taste is subjective anyway! So hooray for incorporating many styles of music in a party and hooray for keeping all the music in a psytrance party actually psychedelic trance and not house or similar.
peace!!!!!!!
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 01:50
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On 2005-06-21 13:22, ocelot wrote:
whats up?
do i hear a "hooah!?
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hooah!
ocelot, thank you again for framing the issue properly.
given that, i'd have to say that Megan of Evil here brings up a legitimate concern, which is that the divide isn't an argument over style, but over psychedelia.
a lot of alleged psytrance these days doesn't twist my noodle anymore, but it's not a matter of style, so much as that's not what the artist is trying to do. the focus has turned to (high) Energy - "kill the dancefloor" - and drifted away from Psychedelia.
Nothing wrong with this necessarily, except that it's marketed as psychedelic - which is confusing for some people who apparently don't know the difference. sound is vibration |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 01:55
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i agree aswell....
more versatile parties...
more unity! enough with the "eyepatches"
give us music in all shapes and forms, psychedelic, tranquelic, spiritualistic and tribalistic... put any name you want on it.. just give me some changes in one day and night... |
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Voice of All
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 03:16
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it is hard to be disagree with you guys. im with you for sure. but... here we have problem. i think. maybe it is only my view and there is a way how to easily solve it and you will show me how to avoid it...
let us imagine that there is a person who like only one side of our psychedelic trouble just imagine that person is me. to let me express my point better. i want to visit a party where i plan to listen to some mubali and maybe a bit of ocelot will be good. also im fond of jahbo and im happy to see kindzadza on stage. and what? you want me to come to the party where fatali is participating? let even line-up will be mixed and after fatali i will be happy again with chemic-al performance, but then i see that at least for two hours i should listen to exaile or sesto sento. what should i do?
situation is not so easy to solve i think. there is already strong difinition for me as a listener. im already knew that i like naked tourist and dont like yahel. it is current pattern i realy dont know how you plan to change the situation. and it is only about so named dark and full-on... we have also rather outstanding proggy stuff which also has remarkable diffirence in it. it is written not to hurt someone or show that one style is better then other. personaly i (here i mean me who write all these words ) like all projects above. more or less... not all tracks but most of them. but what you will do with another me who like dark and should to go to the mixed party. you want me to seat aside while full-on is playing? i simply cant... and i think you know why...
thanks for your answers and sorry for long and confused post.
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