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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 05:42
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On 2005-06-24 01:55, HandA wrote:
If you dont want a political scene (and thats fine with me) then you and other people who I know also dont want a political scene should stop trying to force their very political views and ideas on the rest of us. I see so many political views and indeed ideoligies in these threads but yet noone of you are willing to back up your words with action  So what is it going to be? Fine empty words or action? If people want respect they have to put action behind all these find words and ideals or stop the rants and just have fun and party without all the extra small talk
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Excuse me? I simply stated my opinion here. I didn't tell you not to sell your music to Nike, nor did I tell Detox not to sponsor his parties throgh Pepsi. Yes, I find the whole corporate music scene rather distasteful, if not disgusting, but if that's where you choose to take your "product" that's fine with me. I really don't care, it's your life and your integrity here, not mine.
Honestly, I think at some point in the near future trance will separate once again into a deeply psychedelic movement with small underground parties, and a club genre with cheesy commercial music with simple riffs and palatable melodies that gets played on TV and stadiums. Just like it happened back in 1994 with Oakenfold and the like. The corporate music machine goes through styles like outfits, picking up one, wearing it for a year or two, then discarding it. Real psychedelic music will survive because it's an expression of one of the deepest human yearnings for higher knowledge and inner peace. I hope those who choose to ride the money train keep that in mind.
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 07:24
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 10:26
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On 2005-06-23 19:52, HandA wrote:
So you know all the facts and know that coca-cola is scum?
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Yes. Handa you should see a tv-report about their development.. I think even John S. Pemberton, the "creator" (ehmm let's say it quick because he was already ripping off another recette in those days haha) would be disgusted by the way the members of the head department simply "think".
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On 2005-06-24 05:42, DiMiTry wrote:
Honestly, I think at some point in the near future trance will separate once again |
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Yes that's what I was mentionning with the two gears scene..
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 10:50
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Read this carefully now Mr. HandA (concrete example) :
In the year 2004 while the Olympic Games in Athens, the 39 official sponsors (including Coca-Cola) gained the absolute exclusivity of their products in the sites.
Therefore it was forbidden for the public to get in the sites with some bottle of water, sodas or even gourd showing the logo of any "competitor" (unless they removed it haha)
So yes, Coca Cola is a scum sponsor as it does even not feel like respecting the basics of the human rights..
And this is only a single example.
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gaspard
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 10:59
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i think Baphomet did the right thing! fuck big corporations who only give a fuck about money! this has no place in this scene. in the past parties managed without these sort of sponsors and its still possible! in my opinion coca cola goes against anything this scene stands for (or used to!)
about politics in the scene... well how can we avoid it? should we? i dont think so. the strongest political statement is being an example of what you think is right. living the way we think is right with our values and opinions. wasnt it ghandi that said: be the change you want to see in the world? this is a very strong political statement. dont tell people how to live their life, just live this life your way.
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a3k
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 11:16
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go go baphomet!go go baphomet!  i also think u did good!
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 16:32
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On 2005-06-24 10:50, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Read this carefully now Mr. HandA (concrete example) :
In the year 2004 while the Olympic Games in Athens, the 39 official sponsors (including Coca-Cola) gained the absolute exclusivity of their products in the sites.
Therefore it was forbidden for the public to get in the sites with some bottle of water, sodas or even gourd showing the logo of any "competitor" (unless they removed it haha)
So yes, Coca Cola is a scum sponsor as it does even not feel like respecting the basics of the human rights..
And this is only a single example.
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well informed friend moderaton(dont kow how to spell the name  )
I visited some volley and soccer games and u have no idea ....
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 16:42
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On 2005-06-24 10:59, gaspard wrote:
in the past parties managed without these sort of sponsors and its still possible! |
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very inaccurate!
There were tons of parties spnsored by various corporations. And till this date I haven't seen one party controlled by any sponsor.. all they do is getting their logo on the flyers/posters and sometimes their beers ect, get sold at the parties... thats it - nothing more nothing less!... a small price to pay for a party that would not be able to go on without the money!
You people blow things way out of proportion.. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 19:07
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On 2005-06-24 00:09, Mistress of Evil wrote:
oh but you are sooooooo wrong, psytrance can change the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's true!!
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I've heard that over and over again since 1992 and yet it changed zero. All it did was to inspire the fashion designers and other music genres and to attract a lot of wannabe label owners and a lot of drug dealers that saw a chance to make fast money out of a lot of lost kids.. It did not feed starving children or did anything remotely political.. Simply because sadly it's a non political scene with a lot of lazy wannabe hippes who get scared if they actually have to put action behind their fine words and drug related illusions
I know it's harsh words and that it's not all the case but there's some truth behind it even if i exaurated it a bit to enhance the understanding
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Well it changed me and the ppl around me. The power is in believing it can change. If you do not believe, then what is the point? Why do you dance?
Also do not generalize about the whole scene calling some lazy hippies. I mean there are ppl in this scene that have spent year working very hard for you to label them lazy. On the contrary, IMHO sloth is not the problem. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 19:14
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On 2005-06-23 23:47, andrejcid wrote:
yeah sure...i bet thats the reason lol
if u want to make a change then dont fuckin drink/buy that awful drink!
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Actually I don't. I do not drink sodas and try to support small business and these scene. Of course dismantelling these monsters is a matter of a law principle. |
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 19:30
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On 2005-06-23 22:15, Mistress of Evil wrote:
The problem is that most corporations, including coca cola do not abide by this code of ethics- they simply exploit all their resources in order to make the largest amount of profit.
if you feel you need a sponsor in order to throw the type of party you want- what about finding sponsors that are down for like minded goals as the psytrance community... something that would be mutually beneficial. How about a company that is eco friendly at least...
i find it odd that in America, the most craziest capitalist evil in the world, the psytrance parties are the least commercial i have seen anywhere i have been.... maybe it is the burning man like ethic that has grown here and spread to the psytrance community...
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100% Agree
Trying to explain.. why don´t play in on event that is supported by CocaCola to someone who doesnt know nothing about(the evils coorporations do)... its hard. Trance its nonpoltical ??? So how.. when the party finished and you arrived on the Real World do you will live?? If we can do something (small but something) to change the way that psytrance scene is going in Brazil or around the world... we will do!
Thanx all that supported us... Its good to know that we have people with attittude on the scene. |
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Morbidelic
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 22:21
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Dushan
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 23:48
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Can anyone connect me with coca-cola or any other big company ... I want big sponsor behind my parties ... Like Detox said, it is very bad feeling when party end, and u are in thousands euros minus. So no mather what u talking about that that big companies killing vibe, and spirit, i will very gladly sign some sponsorship contract with big company ... And i am very sure that more sound, more lights, more decoration, more good names, more everything with money that sponsor provedes, can not kill !!! And than just think like this, how many "less" known names can we bring to play, if we are liberated from presure to make party in postive profit ... more new names, bigger scene. Today this music is between underground and mainstream, we grown up underground phase, and still we are not even close to mainstream. This split position is not making any good general, so either we will allowe some changes, or ,i am afraid, that we will go deeper than it was underground . Dont isolate u from modern world, dont act like Cervantes's Don Quixote against windmills ...
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jun 25, 2005 15:22
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I'm with DETOX, HandA, Animan (and others) on this.
The sponsors don't control the partys (unless the organisers let them). They just make money available. So there is a coca-cola banner somewhere. Who cares? As long as it isn't too much, I really don't see the problem. It is up to the organisers to find a good balance between finances, ideals and having a good party/festival.
Even if you think that a coorporation is evil, why not just turn it arround: By getting sponsorship from these people you are redirecting money from their coffers to something positive in the world. That can't be all that wrong ... I don't really think that a few coca-cola banners at a party will actually make people drink more coke.
UnderTow who is looking up the phone nr of the marketing departement of Coca-Cola for a sponsorship deal.
PS: I quite enjoyed the Camel girls at Samothraki (2nd year). Free cigarettes all week. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 25, 2005 16:05
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You should contact them on September cause thats when the budget is assigned on different activities
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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