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sponsors like CocaCola in Private Party? What?
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE
Baphomet Engine
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 17:46
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Hey all freaks...
We (Fabio and Luiz, Baphomet) usually,when we play in private or very very very small parties we don´t ask fee or tax.. cause on this kind of party we feel the freak energy, and we love to play on this kind of Party.
So... on this month (June) one guy invited us to play in a "private" party.. (Nothing was confirm...) and after two weeks.. they linked our name (BAPHOMET ENGINE) in one flyer together with Coca Cola, Coke name... as the main sponsor for the event! 
We got shocked! Where are we going?  CocaCola as the main sponsor in one Psytrance party? This is not the Trance spirit.. this is... Money Talking!!!
We decide get out...  for two reasons:
- No respect from the Party Organizer
- A private event does not need sponsors likes CocaCola, also internet site and flyers. This isn´t private event.
This is an ideological question. You may be shocked to learn about the conditions under which Coca Cola products are produced and distributed.... so.. thats it!! Coke has problems with justice in Colombia and India...
Keep your eyes open freaks.. cause we know that Coke is working as the main sponsors in one big Brazilian Festival too. 
Obs.: T Master Dj from Alkaloid Productions (Australia) also decided get out from this event!
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Nathan
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:00
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Its Good to Know That there are ppl like u!
The place of Trance is in the underground, for it's own protection.
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scobbah
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:09
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Way to go Fabio and Luiz! The scene needs to grow more concerns for political issues such as this in my humble opinion. Coca Cola is for sure one of the non pure companies with troublemakin' business making people suffer in third world countries such as those previously mentioned. I don't know if they still got business in Burma, but as we all know Burma has been a military dictatorship with elements of ethnic cleansing for years... But this is just one of those sad examples.
All the best Fabio and Luiz, I support you on this matter! We don't need Coke, nor a McWorld! Haha!  |
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biovrelle
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:10
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eitha names like psytrance and coca-cola dont really mix but some dudes are think in psy like p$y ...
i just want to say good work Fabio and Luiz ...
continuem a boombar dessas twisted trackxxx.... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:16
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What exactly is the problem here?
Coca Cola being a sponsor in a psy trance party?
Baphomet Engine asked to play in a 'private party' but later on discover that this party is no private but instead a big event with a big sponsor?
Baphomet Engine asked to play in a party but before they confirmed the event the party was advertised all around?
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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scobbah
Kiriyama
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:24
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Detox: As far as I interprated it, the problem is based in that a private psytranceparty was sponsored by Coca Cola. For me, a culture who's promoting love and peace (without getting cliché here) in a matter like ours shouldn't be connected nor co-operating with a corporation such as Coca Cola, who does so much harm on our planet. This is at least how I interprate it. If somebody consider Coca Cola as a corporation not doing harm towards innocent citizens (preferably citizens of third world countries but also citizens in the western civilization) - please fetch a book and start studying. 
My excuses if I interprated this thread wrong, but anyhow this is my perspective upon the issue... |
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Nathan
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 18:41
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In Israel INFECTED MUSHROOM play in coca cola village 
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:02
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So the problem is that Coca Cola is sponsoring a party?
Sorry guys but every party needs a sponsor and when i used to organise events myself i had Sprite as a sponsor was that bad?
And if Coca Cola harms this world then the same takes place with many many other companies what does this mean that we have to ban all of them?
Come on we are just psy trance fans not Greenpeace.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:03
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By the way psy trance isnt promoting love and respect and stuff like that for a long long time now....
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:08
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On 2005-06-22 19:03, DETOX wrote:
By the way psy trance isnt promoting love and respect and stuff like that for a long long time now....
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It's not a proper reason to forget it has done it for long..  -Rezistanza-
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a3k
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:15
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as i understand detox, the problem i guess isn´t coca-cola, it could b pepsi..the thing is they spoke on a small private party..that is diferent..it is like u playin 4 a few friends (invited), and u got 2 the place and u saw advertisded party, payed, with more than a few friends?
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djsid
Aghori Tantrik
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:20
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scobbah
Kiriyama
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:25
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Detox: Please, at first understand that I'm not questioning your experience of arranging parties. All though I think it is exactly as bad as Coca Cola, as Sprite is a trademark owned by the Coca Cola Company. I have arranged parties myself without having sponsors, no big international names though on the lineup so the costs were not as big as yours possibly have been - but I have friends who's brought tons of "supernames" or whatever you prefer calling these artists to parties (yes international) without being sponsored. As we all know, psytrance is not a scene were arranging parties usually gives you a lot of $ back but instead heavy debts, and these debts are the price that my friends and many others arrengers pay to throw great parties. And yes, they can chose between getting sponsored or face a possible debt after the party's done - but they chose debt. Perhaps it is of pride, but my own idea is that it is because of principles.
I say amen to what KakaOlalaJwal just said. To continue the subject further, I do not promote that we should ban multinational corporations who are doing harm towards innocent people. I suggest we isntead support those who's not doing harm - there are still a few left and their numbers are growing as more and more people "awakens" from their slumber and start to take action. This is a highly subjective thing, I mean what you chose to do in order to (what you think) make the world a better place to live in for people.
I do not wish to stand at the pearly gates one day, and when I'm asked what I did to make the world a better place to live at for people - I do not wish to answer: "Well I smoked huge amount of pot, ate at the McDonald's everyday and had numerous bottles of Coke each day!". Please, consider this being my highly subjective view on one of the things one another could do to make the world a better place.
Organize yourself in parties, organizations, run demos and manifestos, I do not have the answers on what you should do - only you have for yourself. I've chosen my path, and it is not too late yet to work for a better world. I know this sounds cliché to some of you reading this, but if everyone picks up the attitude "what can I do, let's party and give a shit about things" - well I'm sorry fellahs but what do you think yourself will happen in 30 years with the current development if none takes action, for example against global corporations WHO ARE doing harm?
For example to bring an active subject to attention - the ILO has yet until now chosen to put assents and sanctions towards Burma. All these years has past, and nothing has happen yet. Ah I better quit this post now, else it'll grow too off-topic. But yes, the subject is big and wide and there is space for a lot of interesting debates upon the subject here. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:48
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Scobbah like you said throwing parties brings back more debts than profits and thats why me and many other people chose to use sponsors in order to limit these debts or even gain a small profit if possible.Also i think that having a sponsor (even a multinational company like Coca Cola who is said to harm people through its products and the process of creating them) has got nothing to do with principles or pride or anything like that,throwing a party includes business matters either we like it or not so finding a sponsor is just a part of it.
By the way as you probably all know the main sponsors on this planet are companies like Coca Cola,Marlboro,Heineken and Bacardi that are not allowed to advertise much due to the fact that their products are considered hazardous for the health of those that consume it.
For me Coca Cola is just a company,noone forces me to use their products and i am 100% free on supporting them or neglecting them,getting a sponsosip from them is the same as getting a sponsorsip from Greenpeace the way i see it.
Plus i dont think that anyone is going to ask you what you drink or ate while you were alive in Earth when you reach the gates of Heaven (if there is such a place),probably you will have to face other questions much more important.
In any case for me having a big sponsor is not something bad for a psy trance party 
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 19:58
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Way to go BAPHOMET_ENGINE! While I am not terribly informed about the Coca-Cola corp and how it operates, I think its great that you stood up for your ethical principals. The point isnt even whether what CocaCola does is so bad as it is that YOU were not comfortable with it and YOU did the right thing by not supporting something you had a bad feeling about. If more people were in the habit of refusing money when they considered its source shady, then the world would probably be a better place.
@Detox: I think having a big sponsor is most certainly a bad thing. Psytrance is supposed to be spritual and there is nothing less spiritual than a big multinational corporation. Knowing how you feel about corporations now Im going to feel much less guilt when I hear you rail against MP3!
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