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rumble pack / motion drive
Rumble Pack
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:23
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On 2005-07-27 15:20, Erevos wrote:
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so..let me know...i'm very curious what companys you'll gona mention
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Of course you are.
Well,your local dj store,psychedelic clothing shop,your local trance bar and stuff like this.
Its still promotion,but acceptable.
And now im gonna bring the example of SDF2002?
Have you been there?
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and you think those stores and shops can afford to pay you easy 30000 euros for your party?? i dont think so...
as i said, we are talking about a festival in the sice of full moon etc. with 500 bucks from your local dj store you cant even pay the toilet paper
i mean, just as an example, the Zoom Festival had a budget of 1.5 millons swiss franks last year...thats 1 mio. euros...so tell me how you gona make this without sponsors..and believe me, they had sponors aswell
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:28
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I think it is good idea to use large companies as sponsors for large events! I don't see anything bad in Coca Cola sponsoring festival, if anyone think Coca Cola damage our green headed society so he/she shouldn't come to such events, better to protest near Coca Cola HQ. |
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:31
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On 2005-07-27 15:23, Rumble Pack wrote:
and you think those stores and shops can afford to pay you easy 30000 euros for your party?? i dont think so...
as i said, we are talking about a festival in the sice of full moon etc. with 500 bucks from your local dj store you cant even pay the toilet paper
i mean, just as an example, the Zoom Festival had a budget of 1.5 millons swiss franks last year...thats 1 mio. euros...so tell me how you gona make this without sponsors..and believe me, they had sponors aswell
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Sure.Now i want to go here http://www.goa.hu/galleria/sdf/index/1/.
Check all the photos and tell me if you see ONE thing that has to do with promoting a company or something.And you are talking about one of the best festivals ever,with more than 10000 people,we are talking about THE totally kick-ass soundsystem,great deco and very very good organisation.
And now ask yourself:do we REALLY need the sponsors or we could find some better ways to do it,although it could be a little harder to organise? |
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rumble pack / motion drive
Rumble Pack
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:44
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ok i cheked it...first of all the budget on this party was for shure lower then for example the on zoom last year. Even possible to make it without sponsor, specaly in a country like greece. Just comparing with switzerland where everything costs 10 times more.
but still...someone has to pay this stuff, im shure it was still a huge budget to make this party. And i'm shure it was not a bunch of neo hippies who put all their money together to make this party. I dont know how they did, but i cant imagine that they get all this money from some batic factorys, naga champa ltd, or whatever...
what i want try to say is, under "normal" sircumstances, to do a party like full moon for example, you just need a sponsor, or you need to be fucking rich, winning in lottrey...
i still dont get, what is so bad about giving the financiel risk away to a sponsor, and having good time as organizer aswell..
i'm shure if one of you would have done a reall big party, and at the end of the day you would have still 100000 euros to pay...you would understand it
btw. i never made a event like this, but i can imagine how shitt it is to have 100000 euros to pay, and dont have them. |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:46
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Just want to add my 2 agorot. 
What I am going to say is about local (Israeli) scene only, cause I have no idea what is going on in another places.
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sponsored parties == legal parties == advertised parties == police activity == VIBE SUCKS...
Underground Parties == illegal parties == no police == no advertismnet == no sponsors == SUPER VIBE...
There are of course some exceptions, but in general the picture as I wrote above.
That's all.
Do your math...
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:51
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On 2005-07-27 15:44, Rumble Pack wrote:
what i want try to say is, under "normal" sircumstances, to do a party like full moon for example, you just need a sponsor, or you need to be fucking rich, winning in lottrey...
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Look,i agree with this.Indeed,you need sponsors.And SDF had a lot of sponsors too,Greece is cheaper comparing to Switzerland or Germany but again,you need sponsors.
The point of this thread though is how you choose to promote.You can do it on the flyer,on the entrance,on the nearby village,road,port.....but if you put your promotion inside the stages and the general festival place its lame IMO.I wouldnt dance in a main stage with a Coca Cola banner above my head for example.
And again,there are a lot of "psy-related" sponsors like online shops,labels,other festivals....
Edit:oh and something else.We all know that Greece is cheaper in general but you probably dont know is that the plane tickets in Greece for foreign countris is much much much more expensive.A plane ticket from Sweden to Greece for example might be 3 or 4 times more expensive than Sweden to Germany so you see.... |
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:54
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On 2005-07-27 15:46, Cyber Punk wrote:
Just want to add my 2 agorot.
What I am going to say is about local (Israeli) scene only, cause I have no idea what is going on in another places.
Here :
sponsored parties == legal parties == advertised parties == police activity == VIBE SUCKS...
Underground Parties == illegal parties == no police == no advertismnet == no sponsors == SUPER VIBE...
There are of course some exceptions, but in general the picture as I wrote above.
That's all.
Do your math...
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That's hadly a valid comparison to the big festivals in Europe where the vibe is way better and the music much more interesting and variated... You cant really compare your scene with the European scene when it cometo vibe and the way the Festivals are build (deco, line ups etc ect). |
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:56
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On 2005-07-27 15:51, Erevos wrote:
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On 2005-07-27 15:44, Rumble Pack wrote:
what i want try to say is, under "normal" sircumstances, to do a party like full moon for example, you just need a sponsor, or you need to be fucking rich, winning in lottrey...
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Look,i agree with this.Indeed,you need sponsors.And SDF had a lot of sponsors too,Greece is cheaper comparing to Switzerland or Germany but again,you need sponsors.
The point of this thread though is how you choose to promote.You can do it on the flyer,on the entrance,on the nearby village,road,port.....but if you put your promotion inside the stages and the general festival place its lame IMO.I wouldnt dance in a main stage with a Coca Cola banner above my head for example.
And again,there are a lot of "psy-related" sponsors like online shops,labels,other festivals....
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Who ever said that the sponsors should be all over a festival? I and indeed Detox have all the time said that sponsors should go on flyers, posters, websites etc... But yet there's some here that see red when they hear the word money even though they seem to use money quite well themselves. Three's a lot of contradiction in many people's "Green" views here. |
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:57
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On 2005-07-27 15:51, Erevos wrote:
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On 2005-07-27 15:44, Rumble Pack wrote:
what i want try to say is, under "normal" sircumstances, to do a party like full moon for example, you just need a sponsor, or you need to be fucking rich, winning in lottrey...
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Look,i agree with this.Indeed,you need sponsors.And SDF had a lot of sponsors too,Greece is cheaper comparing to Switzerland or Germany but again,you need sponsors.
The point of this thread though is how you choose to promote.You can do it on the flyer,on the entrance,on the nearby village,road,port.....but if you put your promotion inside the stages and the general festival place its lame IMO.I wouldnt dance in a main stage with a Coca Cola banner above my head for example.
And again,there are a lot of "psy-related" sponsors like online shops,labels,other festivals....
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but hey, as i said, do you think psyshop or saikosound will sponsor a event with 50000 euros?...i doubt that.
A sponsor is only a help when he really pays alot..concerning only the big festivals of course...so..of course coca cola or who ever wants that ppl see their banners on the partys..logic no? i mean, if they give you as a "gift" 50000 euros, i think its their right to get seen at the party...
and if i remeber well, i never saw a party where i danced below a big heineken sign or so, even they where sponsor...
i mean, they pay alot, just for our pleasure...so isnt it normal that the least thing they want is to get a bit promo..?? |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:58
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First of all, I am not talking about festivals, but about the parties.
And IMHO, as for parties, European underground scene "sucks" relatively to Israeli.
As for festivals, AFAIK, VooV festival has no sponsors at all.
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 16:00
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On 2005-07-27 15:58, Cyber Punk wrote:
First of all, I am not talking about festivals, but about the parties.
And IMHO, as for parties, European underground scence "sucks" relatively to Israeli.
As for festivals, AFAIK, VooV festival has no sponsors at all.
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do you know what your talking about or are you just guessing here? |
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 16:04
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On 2005-07-27 15:57, Rumble Pack wrote:
but hey, as i said, do you think psyshop or saikosound will sponsor a event with 50000 euros?...i doubt that.
A sponsor is only a help when he really pays alot..concerning only the big festivals of course...so..of course coca cola or who ever wants that ppl see their banners on the partys..logic no? i mean, if they give you as a "gift" 50000 euros, i think its their right to get seen at the party...
and if i remeber well, i never saw a party where i danced below a big heineken sign or so, even they where sponsor...
i mean, they pay alot, just for our pleasure...so isnt it normal that the least thing they want is to get a bit promo..??
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Thats right.But i said "The point of this thread though is how you choose to promote".if i see Heineken all over the flyers,posters etc i would be a little annoyed,i'd say "what the f*ck is this,Ibiza?".
Now if i see Heineken all over the flyers,posters etc and i also see friendly people with green t-shirts selling Heineken in friendly prices then its ok with me,if you know what i mean  |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 16:07
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Which part ?
Parties or VooV ?
VooV- I think I saw that on their web site.
Parties - From talking to alot of ppl in Europe, being at few parties there, and by looking "party promotion" and "Countries" section on this forum.
May be I am wrong...
Can somebody say me how often (in your country) do you have underground parties with "big" artists from abroad ?
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 16:11
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@erevos
shure..i know what you mean...
of course its not so "spirit-like" to put huge heineken banners etc.. true...but on the other hand, you wouldnt be able to have such big events...
me i like both, small partys in the forest, with reall "underground" spirit.
but i like the idea of a huuuge party aswell..i mean, isnt it aswell a point of our szene to bring ppl together from everywhere of this earth? do party together and sharing the same feelings?
so, for this you have the big events, because for a underground party in the forest, with 300 ppl, nobody will travel from australia or where ever to this party. because its just to small...you need to atract ppl with big events, to make them come from far...no? |
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 16:15
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On 2005-07-27 16:07, Cyber Punk wrote:
Which part ?
Parties or VooV ?
VooV- I think I saw that on their web site.
Parties - From talking to alot of ppl in Europe, being at few parties there, and by looking "party promotion" and "Countries" section on this forum.
May be I am wrong...
Can somebody say me how often (in your country) do you have underground parties with "big" artists from abroad ?
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i think you cant call a party where a "big" artist from abroad comes..lets say atsrix...underground...
underground is with local djs etc...and for shure we have alot of them here...and i'm shure they kick ass...
israel didnt invent the so called "underground" parties you know...and i doubt if you really have been in a reall underground party in our countrys
but lets stay on the topic "Sponsors"...more intersting then who has the better "underground scene |
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